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Again it's a difficult balance to achieve because in real life, there are still high scoring games & thrashings as much as there are plenty of goalless draws and narrow 1-0 results.

How do you reflect this in a football game with the modern FC engine the same way they did in the past wherein it was a combination of the users skill as well as the players & they're attributes on the field...
 
Ezequiel Vanzin said:
The game is very limited, passing from midfield to a striker, they go towards the foot without any problems, high speed, predictable. I've played for 10 years and I know what I'm talking about. Today it's only good for fun, but the mechanics are very simplistic. There's no way to compare a game from 2006 with the current ones. It's the same thing putting the player in modern football, but I guarantee it doesn't do anything! I'm tired of putting a defender with 80 speed in the attack and he was my top scorer in ML lol! Of course, it's my opinion. Each person here has a favorite game, so there will never be a consensus on which game is ideal and which is closest to reality. Anyway, my opinion is worth as much as anyone's, so it doesn't change anything to say that PES 21 is better or FIFA because there will always be people who disagree and there is no one who is right or wrong!
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It's funny that there are two sons of bitches who laughed at my post, as if their opinion was better than mine, maybe they play soccer or something like that lol, I played in the amateur categories and if I think PES 5 and 6 are technically limited, there's no reason for my opinion to be or not be better or worse than someone here on the forum lol, because I didn't say anything else, I simply think the old games are very limited and anyone who played soccer like me knows that the exaggerated freedom of the old PES has nothing real about it, I think EA FC is very lacking in animations, it seems inhuman, but saying that the old PES is the pinnacle of soccer makes me laugh lol!
 
In the case that if we follow the majority vote, PES 21 would be the game that is closest to reality, I guarantee that we will have several here disagreeing, it's the same thing, there is no consensus, everyone has a favorite game that they think is closest to reality, in my opinion, PES 21, because it is more rigid, I think it is the one that is closest to real football, but it also has defects, at the end of the day there is no perfect game but it seems that when someone here speaks badly of the old PES they are punished lol! I certainly won't buy EA FC 26 either because the animations are grotesque, I think the rest can be modified with sliders and mods, but the guy making a perfect back pass is hard to swallow lol!
 
So I think the lack of respect begins when people laugh at a post that isn't funny at all. Does a racing driver no longer know how to drive a car simulator? Or would my opinion be more valid than a professional driver's? I played soccer in my state for years here in the 3rd division, and I know how a player can behave on the field, but I'm not the king of truth either. So I commented that the delivery, direct passes, and freedom of the players in PES 5 and 6, even due to the lack of technology at the time, are far below that of a real game. So that's it!
 
PES 5 or 6 or Winning eleven 9 are ones of the greatest footy games because the AI was good, ball physics was good, hard toomaster but the feeling was amazing.

We have lost this feeling in current games because players focus are different. Before we wanted realism, now they wanted scores goals with stupid skills. If more people wanted simulation games, the gameplay will changes.

Real professional players loved playing FUT. But thie game mode is not realist but brings many money to EA compagny.
 
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Ezequiel Vanzin said:
The game is very limited, passing from midfield to a striker, they go towards the foot without any problems, high speed, predictable. I've played for 10 years and I know what I'm talking about. Today it's only good for fun, but the mechanics are very simplistic. There's no way to compare a game from 2006 with the current ones. It's the same thing putting the player in modern football, but I guarantee it doesn't do anything! I'm tired of putting a defender with 80 speed in the attack and he was my top scorer in ML lol! Of course, it's my opinion. Each person here has a favorite game, so there will never be a consensus on which game is ideal and which is closest to reality. Anyway, my opinion is worth as much as anyone's, so it doesn't change anything to say that PES 21 is better or FIFA because there will always be people who disagree and there is no one who is right or wrong!
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Sorry the conversation got so heated, me personally I completely agree with your last paragraphs, in the end it's pointless to debate absolutes because we all enjoy and value things differently in both football and football games, however if the benchmark is vanilla fifa post AI nerfs(namely CDM tracking and 1 vs 1 mechanic) and phisics changings (ball glued to the feet, for example) I absolutely think something like pes 5 does have more depth, in tactical, positioning and players behaviour, at least off the ball. EA FC also lacks proper inertia and First touch error/control, things Pes 5, for how archaic it may look, had.

If somebody made the depth argument with IDK, Fifa 17 instead of modern EA FC, I could understand, but from what I saw in the last years.. vanilla EA FC looks terribly simplistic itself, don't you think? If we strip it of the novelty effect, the graphics, the presentation and the embellishments, I struggle to see what remarkable fundamentals should bring me to buy it. Maybe the only thing that looks good to me (at least in surface) is some shooting and keepers reaction.. but when you pass among CPU players that look like statues, or you dribbling so fast and unnaturally flashy, or you pass around the ball with those rocket phisics, I find it difficult anyway to feel it rewarding on his own..

(Hope it won't sound as an attack, it's indeed just as I see the game.. loads of people enjoys EA FC with sliders or mods and it's perfectly fine😉)
 
Even in real life, we can see sometimes how 22 actors showing "football":CONFUSE:. Football video game is just a kaleidoscope of pictures. There is no reason to prove and argue about "realism", because it is not and cannot be in the video game.

I think the main reason why people like PES5/WE9 or PES6 is to play against the CPU "on equal terms". These games do not have brazen cheating of the CPU-side. That is why the player has no irritation, even if he loses, and does not feel cheated.

The best attacking AI I've seen in …PES 2009 (PC version 1.02, or maybe 1.03). By default, this game is super high speed arcade with spirit of ping-pong, with results like 10-2 or 5-4, and have bad things like footballer with ball make 180 degree turn faster than without ball. But after editing skills of players in range like 45-65 it gave like 0-0 or 2-0 loses or wins with a small number of shoots for 30 minutes match length. Using a defensive strategy and a formation like 3-6-1 with personal covering settings, this showing how is good and various AI in attack. Maybe it works of "Teamvision", which first appeared in PES2008.
 
Topaz said:
Whilst PES 5/6 didn't have a lot of animation key frames and selection, they didn't cut animation either so the animation was fluid since they all completed. I think that's the part that puts me off and FIFA 17 didn't do that. They did a little bit with FIFA 18(which made it seem like they were running in the mud). And they went full gung-ho in FIFA 19.
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I feel like people here got my original post totally wrong. I did not say that PES 5 or 6 were bad games or anything. And I was not talking about the animations not being fluid. There are animations in those games (or FIFA 16 for example), that just don't look good and nothing like a professional footballer would move like. Look at GK Animations for example. Not every Animation, but some of them. And they were already bad back in 2005 and 2006. But since overall those three games feel much more like Football, we just don't or didn't care. And of course we thought, that in the future it would only get better...:WHISTLE:

I don't say, that EA FCs Animations are good or on a level with older games (but let's not act like every single animation is bad). I am just saying, if they would get rid of 1v1 (= smarter AI defending) and make the AI more difficult, EA FC would be already much more enjoyable for me. Even if the animations are not so good. Authentic mode at least looks like it has some better animations as well, because it is less sped up.
 
what makes old games so special, is the mix of variety on the pitch,great ball physics,fouls,physical challenges, players indiciduality,a very balanced and rewarding way of defending,reactive controls and no scripts.
They are limited so you can't do a lot of things you are allowed to do in real life and newer games, but they are great at what they are offering.
Scoring a gol in these games is the most satisfying from any other football game.

If i take Pes21 It has good graphics,360 degrees movement and allows me to do more on the pitch because It has more animation BUT:
- physicalty and body collisions are horrible
- defending is too much automatizated,It trigger the animation and drain the ball from opponent's feet
- shooting lacks variety and its physics sucks
- u score always in the same ways
- dribbling,due be un responsive, is almost never a good option, spam trough ball Is...
- there is a lot of script
-players individuality are there but ruined by bad dribbling,bad shooting and bad physicalty.

The best FIFAs beats old Ps2 Pes in many things, due more advanced technology but never had a good ball physics and players individuality. Scoring feels more mechanic and some chapters had cheap way to score.
Overall great games,but personally i have more fun on PS2, expecially on local multiplayer.
 
I'm really sorry and thank you for understanding a little of my point of view, in fact I was never very skilled lol my strength was deconstructing lol, going back to the games today modern football no longer requires so much skill, the game has become a compaction that I always say looks more like a basketball game than football, a senseless search for spaces because the game has become very physical, the good football to see in the eyes for me was the 90s and 80s I like to see Ronaldo dribbling several and it seems that the camlo was giant it took a few seconds for the next marker to arrive lol, today it is almost impossible for that to happen, and a compaction of hell and marking and strength are essential, unfortunately EA FC tried to capture the movements and positioning, but I think the engine is very limited, besides that the animations are all broken!
 
The problem with current soccer games is the lack of impact and contact between players.

The AI doesn't want to tackle you for fear of getting its jersey dirty with green grass. It follows you, but not too closely, which makes the game far too easy and boring to death.

A good game should require you to think hard to break through the opposing defense. Here, it's pass, pass, shoot, and goal.

EA is following the demands of players, and it seems some players are looking for this. It's very sad!

I imagine the producers of FIFA 16 with the power of today's hardware. What if Konami had released that famous next-gen PES? I think the situation would be different for offline players.
 
saturator said:
The problem with current soccer games is the lack of impact and contact between players.

The AI doesn't want to tackle you for fear of getting its jersey dirty with green grass. It follows you, but not too closely, which makes the game far too easy and boring to death.

A good game should require you to think hard to break through the opposing defense. Here, it's pass, pass, shoot, and goal.

EA is following the demands of players, and it seems some players are looking for this. It's very sad!

I imagine the producers of FIFA 16 with the power of today's hardware. What if Konami had released that famous next-gen PES? I think the situation would be different for offline players.
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Think thats the key, todays consumers wants fast paced action, not a stats based game, a game of tactics and boring 0-0 games.
We do, but were the minority.
I gave up on Fifa after Fifa 20 ish, and im good where i am playing Fifa 16-17-18, but who knows, might be a demand for more sim based games in the future?
Right now theres to many game breaking things in EA FCs games for me not to enjoy them, but i guess for the majority still sticking to this series people might have got used to the ai/gameplay getting watered down each year and in the end they just get used to it.
but fingers crossed...
 
I'm one of those old-schoolers who likes a challenge in a soccer game.
Whether I win or lose, I want to see good play, intelligence on the field.

I dribble very little, sometimes I do a little leg-over for show.

It drives me crazy when I see the AI running along the sideline too often, and not switching wings with beautiful crosses.

We had all that without sliders before.

And I'm not even talking about NFL-style slides...

Soccer is, above all, inertia, good ball physics, good footplanting, compact lines with physical commitment.

We try to create all that with mods or sliders, but the engine's stability can ruin everything.
 
Apart from the gameplay in Authentic Mode, which can't be assessed 100% yet as it's sure to change several times, I think the graphics for the pitch, faces, kits, etc. are just really poor.
These comic-style graphics with baby faces just don't seem appropriate for the year 2025.
But then again, the game is supposed to run on toasters with 8 GB of RAM...

The Frostbite engine has had its day and a new one is needed.

The engine has been around for eight years now. At least at Fifa/EA FC.
 
Ezequiel Vanzin said:
In the case that if we follow the majority vote, PES 21 would be the game that is closest to reality, I guarantee that we will have several here disagreeing, it's the same thing, there is no consensus, everyone has a favorite game that they think is closest to reality, in my opinion, PES 21, because it is more rigid, I think it is the one that is closest to real football, but it also has defects, at the end of the day there is no perfect game but it seems that when someone here speaks badly of the old PES they are punished lol! I certainly won't buy EA FC 26 either because the animations are grotesque, I think the rest can be modified with sliders and mods, but the guy making a perfect back pass is hard to swallow lol!
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PES 21 doesn't have cloth physics. So it still ranks lower than Road To World Cup 2006.
 
Mathgamer said:
Also dynamic dribbling. Throughout development, we reviewed all the animations triggered during sprints, turns, and ball control. Some looked fine visually but weren’t responsive enough, so we cut or trimmed them, and introduced new ones. The result is that dribbling now feels as smooth and elastic as possible.

And for animations, responsiveness was one of the biggest points of feedback from the community. We found that the animation system wasn’t always selecting or triggering the fastest possible animations. So now, animations are shorter, more responsive, and trigger immediately when you press a button. In closed beta, players already said this made the game feel much smoother compared to last year.

Link: https://feed4gamers.com/game-news/3...xclusive-interview-with-the-gameplay-team.htm
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I was planning to buy it this year, but after seeing the latest beta version and this, I've decided not to.
 
Carles P. said:
Apart from the gameplay in Authentic Mode, which can't be assessed 100% yet as it's sure to change several times, I think the graphics for the pitch, faces, kits, etc. are just really poor.
These comic-style graphics with baby faces just don't seem appropriate for the year 2025.
But then again, the game is supposed to run on toasters with 8 GB of RAM...

The Frostbite engine has had its day and a new one is needed.

The engine has been around for eight years now. At least at Fifa/EA FC.
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The graphical style, animations and overall the way the game is designed has absolutely nothing to do with the engine.
 
At the event, EA Sports Senior Producer Sam Rivera said, “If the gameplay is not responsive, it's not fun.” Instantly, I noticed the responsiveness was way better. Passing especially, I was able to make quick, first-time passes across the pitch, and this is thanks to a new feature called one-frame passing.

This goal for the responsive at all costs ended the animations.
 
Mathgamer said:
At the event, EA Sports Senior Producer Sam Rivera said, “If the gameplay is not responsive, it's not fun.” Instantly, I noticed the responsiveness was way better. Passing especially, I was able to make quick, first-time passes across the pitch, and this is thanks to a new feature called one-frame passing.

This goal for the responsive at all costs ended the animations.
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Competetive or authentic gameplay?
 
Mathgamer said:
At the event, EA Sports Senior Producer Sam Rivera said, “If the gameplay is not responsive, it's not fun.” Instantly, I noticed the responsiveness was way better. Passing especially, I was able to make quick, first-time passes across the pitch, and this is thanks to a new feature called one-frame passing.
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new feature called one-frame passing??

one-frame in a 60 frames per second game would make a pass only take 0.016s to do... certainly an odd decision

why is this company adding in an entire new gameplay system called authentic whilst also having this other guy deciding that everything that would make a game "authentic" should be removed? :LMAO:
 
Must admit, I was feeling quite optimistic about FC26 (perhaps foolishly).

It seemed like they were going to pay real attention to an offline alternative this season but the more I am seeing/hearing the less enthused I am. It seems like a lot of the current issues (1v1, passive AI, ridiculous animations) are still prevalent.
 
Kopite1990 said:
Must admit, I was feeling quite optimistic about FC26 (perhaps foolishly).

It seemed like they were going to pay real attention to an offline alternative this season but the more I am seeing/hearing the less enthused I am. It seems like a lot of the current issues (1v1, passive AI, ridiculous animations) are still prevalent.
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This is the start, I think. (Technically last year was, with "sim mode", but that didn't make it a sim game and nor does "authentic mode" as it stands. If momentum and pass error doesn't exist next year then I give up.)
 
Chris Davies said:
This is the start, I think. (Technically last year was, with "sim mode", but that didn't make it a sim game and nor does "authentic mode" as it stands. If momentum and pass error doesn't exist next year then I give up.)
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Here’s hoping it is an iterative process Chris and a step in the right direction, only time will tell I guess.
 
I think some of this comes down to confusion from EA’s behalf. Despite how we all think we’re pulling in the same direction, I think there’s many voices that want different things, even on the ‘sim’ side. I can only relate on an extremely small level to how this can be with my mod, so on a much bigger scale I do have some sympathy for the challenge they face.

I think sometimes it’s not always a lack of willingness or some evil conspiracy that EA don’t care at all, but rather them being a bit unsure about which ways to go - and also how far to push particular elements. Lots of people say they want a midfield for example, but then when they get it they complain there’s no attacking intent etc. I could do this for almost every element of gameplay too. I know there’s many nuances and shades of grey with things like this, and there are proper ways to bring about positive changes, but I can certainly see how EA can feel a little unsure about which way to go sometimes. I think just bashing, bashing, bashing is a little over the top (especially when they are showing signs of wanting to listen).

I don’t think it ALL comes down to this to be clear, but I think there’s more of it than people think.

For me, it’s all comes down to the little details, and the more clear and easy we make them for EA, the better chance we have. I’d love to see more conversations about the details when the game comes out than the mindless trolling posts where people just come to the thread to get a laugh or make a ‘PES 2021 is still king’ comment or a skating joke.
 
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