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Best Football game of all time

The greatest football game of all time?

  • PES

    Votes: 5 2.1%
  • PES 2

    Votes: 5 2.1%
  • PES 3

    Votes: 17 7.2%
  • PES 4

    Votes: 15 6.4%
  • PES 5

    Votes: 55 23.3%
  • PES 6

    Votes: 66 28.0%
  • PES 2008 (PS2 version)

    Votes: 18 7.6%
  • PES 2009

    Votes: 2 0.8%
  • PES 2010

    Votes: 3 1.3%
  • PES 2011

    Votes: 9 3.8%
  • PES 2012

    Votes: 3 1.3%
  • PES 2013

    Votes: 23 9.7%
  • PES 2014

    Votes: 5 2.1%
  • PES 2015

    Votes: 5 2.1%
  • PES 2016

    Votes: 5 2.1%
  • PES 2017

    Votes: 23 9.7%
  • PES 2018

    Votes: 7 3.0%
  • PES 2019

    Votes: 4 1.7%
  • PES 2020

    Votes: 3 1.3%
  • PES 2021

    Votes: 70 29.7%
  • ISS (2D series)

    Votes: 4 1.7%
  • FIFA (2D series)

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Football Kingdom

    Votes: 6 2.5%
  • Sensible Soccer series

    Votes: 7 3.0%
  • Kick Off series

    Votes: 2 0.8%
  • FIFA (Saturn & PS1 era)

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • FIFA (PS2,Xbox, GameCube era)

    Votes: 4 1.7%
  • FIFA (PS3,Xbox360 era)

    Votes: 14 5.9%
  • FIFA (PS4 & PS5 era)

    Votes: 12 5.1%
  • WE9LE

    Votes: 30 12.7%

  • Total voters
    236
No Sany installer for this one?

I am talking about PES 2020 Demo PS4 in library of games for PlayStation 4.
And not sure that it's possible without any issues download PES 2020 Demo PC from steam via different file tricks and commands.
May be also if on PC PES 2020 Demo was added into library of Steam in those moment, when demo was actual and available.
 
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Is there any way to play it ?
Here:
it's a porting on pes 21 thanks to @Energia (and not only for Pes 20 Demo!)

here:
post nr. 3584 where @Kolesnikcr7 adapted patch 1.8.0.0 to work as a substitute of patch 1.8.1.0 because the 1.8.0.0 is much better (ad i agree).

finally here:
where you can find a global and updated patch for Pes 20 thanks to @Narok21
 
I've PES 20 Demo in my Steam Library but when i tried to start the Demo i've this error:
 

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I hope it's possible to use off line trick via Goldberg software fore Pes 20 Demo.
 
I remember making a Steam account just to save Pes 20 demo back in the days, but whenever I try to login with it for some reason it just mixes with my main one, and I only see full Pes 20 (togheter with a number of my other games I of course have only on my other main account.. no idea if that's cache related or some other intentional "feature", maybe I should try on another pc, even if from what I read above it's just not available anymore).

However, hoping not to make somebody angry.. I tried a number of other versions or even mods that promised that same gameplay on PC.. but not a single one replied CPU frequency dribbling of the demo or came near the general feeling it gave me back then. I also tried the legendary Pes 20 1.0 on PS4 (the one out of the disc, without updates).. maybe I should spend some more time with it, but in the matches I did I've found even that one pretty different from the demo.
 
glad to see my all time favourite PES 3 getting a lot of votes

in more modern terms I would have picked 2015 which I still play despite its faults. Its the game that makes me feel i'm playing a football match blended with arcade in just the right amounts
 
One thing that I am kind of getting tired of preparing the game to look and feel good. Sometimes it can take me 5 to 10 min to just properly put everything together. For example FIFA 16. Run the game. Run the ball mod. Run the different reshades. Different tv logos / scoreboards etc that modding actually becomes a part of playing the game. Where as for example Kick Off 2, SWOS 96/96 provide that IMMEDIATE fun with few clicks. We are chasing this realism, some sort of real simulation which does not provide the true gaming experience. Seabass once said what made PES succesful was a mix of arcade and sim. He was so right about this. Other developers like Dino Dini, explain in detail what a true gameplay experience should be. This is not only with football games but games in general. As technology advanced, games took a massibe step back. Trying to capture of what the game looks like instead of feels like. Take any FPS game today, combine ALL players ever active online it will never be what CS 1.6 was. I don't blame anyone besides TIME. Older developers retired, new blood came in and new blood simply does not know how to create video games. There is a reason why Amiga 500 in good condition still sells for 500-600 ;bucks.....a good reason why people use emulators and still own older consoles. They provided fun.

I GUATANTEE this is how almost everyone operates today....

Lets mod PES 21 etc for few hours...research learn...youtube etc etc..only to play 5 matches or less and be bored.
 
Lets mod PES 21 etc for few hours...research learn...youtube etc etc..only to play 5 matches or less and be bored.
This is the flip side of trying to add "realism" to the gameplay. Instead of fun and joy, you get emotional tension and irritation in game with "realism" modding. Therefore, I personally have been playing only FIFA since 2021 and for women's tems only, without using any mods. It gives me only good emotions, and I no longer send curses and swearing to the footballers on my display :D
 
This is the flip side of trying to add "realism" to the gameplay. Instead of fun and joy, you get emotional tension and irritation in game with "realism" modding. Therefore, I personally have been playing only FIFA since 2021 and for women's tems only, without using any mods. It gives me only good emotions, and I no longer send curses and swearing to the footballers on my display :D
The old games had “soul” - that’s the word that keeps coming to my mind. Most often this word is used to describe music, where the time, dedication, care and passion that the artist put in, flows out beautifully in song.

Absolutely right that the modern games look good but they don’t feel good. In PES 5/WE9/6, the button press and execution of action is nearly instantaneous. With each subsequent revision, the delay grows longer and longer, creating a greater sense of disconnection. You are not “in” the game - you are “close” but you are not “there.” It’s all an illusion - after all it’s a video game. But it’s my opinion that sense of control is paramount to immersion, far more important than graphical realism.
 
I voted for WE9LE (I can't play pes21 due to pc limitations, at the moment).
I've always privileged realism over fun gameplay, and I recently found in WE9LE my favourite game. Modded properly, it's truly great, if not mind-blowing, considering it is a game from almost 20 years ago.
At the moment, I'm using Kingsley's exe and various excellent modules , such as camera module (800 or 1000 zoom), gameplay module, referees module and very low speeder settings. In addition to all of this, I use tweaked stats for a more realistic experience.
This game has a major flaw, though: the CPU. Unfortunately, as beautiful as it can be, this lackluster CPU ruins the single player experience. As a matter of fact, I mainly play this game in multiplayer and...it's just fantastic! And it isn't only realistic, but also very responsive and with a great player identity: the difference between players is very clear, like in many other ps1 and ps2 pes games.
I chose WE9LE over PES5 mainly because of a goalkeepers' problem that is far more annoying on the latter (they tend to stay still sometimes, especially with shots on their near post)
 
But it’s my opinion that sense of control is paramount to immersion, far more important than graphical realism.
This year, I was installing the PES 5 Original Season Patch for nostalgia. I deleted the game before I even played the match to the end. It looked very archaic compared to the new games, and in overall it looks easy to play.
Now that there are have over 40 football games, we have a big selection. But everyone needs their own, and after all, only a personal impressions make a game "best of all games". Therefore, we see a lot of opinions that the best game is "It's FIFA16", or "It's PES2017" or 5,13,21,19 and other versions.

As for me, I can say that I "finished career" in 2020-21. After years of master league and various championships, I'm just tired. Around 7 mouths I'm don't touch football games. But then I remembered the women🙂 The first time I trying women's teams in FIFA17, and I was impressed. But when I tried it in FIFA 18, I was a "hypnotized". Since 2021, I've probably only played about 20 matches with men's teams. Just only quick match or two-match confrontation, and "fake" womens world cup sometimes, but I can't stop play for women's teams in FIFA 18/19/21, and can play this every day. No matter what the result of match, but I'm smiling all around the match. I don't know how it affected me, maybe because women's football looks like a comedy (and in real life too), maybe the another animations, and the animation of the long hair adds swiftness and visual realism.
 
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I voted for WE9LE (I can't play pes21 due to pc limitations, at the moment).
I've always privileged realism over fun gameplay, and I recently found in WE9LE my favourite game. Modded properly, it's truly great, if not mind-blowing, considering it is a game from almost 20 years ago.
At the moment, I'm using Kingsley's exe and various excellent modules , such as camera module (800 or 1000 zoom), gameplay module, referees module and very low speeder settings. In addition to all of this, I use tweaked stats for a more realistic experience.
This game has a major flaw, though: the CPU. Unfortunately, as beautiful as it can be, this lackluster CPU ruins the single player experience. As a matter of fact, I mainly play this game in multiplayer and...it's just fantastic! And it isn't only realistic, but also very responsive and with a great player identity: the difference between players is very clear, like in many other ps1 and ps2 pes games.
I chose WE9LE over PES5 mainly because of a goalkeepers' problem that is far more annoying on the latter (they tend to stay still sometimes, especially with shots on their near post)

What patch are you using for WE9LE ? I had Exodus version I believe it was called. If you have PS2 emulator, try J League Winning Eleven 9 Asia Championship, in my opinion its better than WE9LE. I think WE8LE Reefur patch is probably one of the best as welm
 
I voted for WE9LE (I can't play pes21 due to pc limitations, at the moment).
I've always privileged realism over fun gameplay, and I recently found in WE9LE my favourite game. Modded properly, it's truly great, if not mind-blowing, considering it is a game from almost 20 years ago.
At the moment, I'm using Kingsley's exe and various excellent modules , such as camera module (800 or 1000 zoom), gameplay module, referees module and very low speeder settings. In addition to all of this, I use tweaked stats for a more realistic experience.
This game has a major flaw, though: the CPU. Unfortunately, as beautiful as it can be, this lackluster CPU ruins the single player experience. As a matter of fact, I mainly play this game in multiplayer and...it's just fantastic! And it isn't only realistic, but also very responsive and with a great player identity: the difference between players is very clear, like in many other ps1 and ps2 pes games.
I chose WE9LE over PES5 mainly because of a goalkeepers' problem that is far more annoying on the latter (they tend to stay still sometimes, especially with shots on their near post)
What is a mod of your choice?

I love WE9LE but most of the mods lack stadiums which I really hate.
 
I love older PES installments, PS1 titles especially... but if I'm being honest, the best? I'm too used to 360 degree movement, a power bar for passing, FUMA, etc... these "modern" features are things I got used to, to the point where I really need them to fully enjoy playing, so while I go back to classic installments, and enjoy them for what they are, if I had to pick my favorites it'd be PES2012, PES2015, PES2018 and PES2021. Which is my favorite? Honestly it's pretty close between these four, but PES2021, or eFootball PES2021: Season Update, which is an awful name by the way, wins it for me.

I love playing it on FUMA, 10min on Professional difficulty... it's peak football video gaming for me.
 
I've been just testing a lot of games lately, from heavily modded FIFA 16 to PES 17, PES 13, WE9LE (Exogenesis Patch), WE8LE (.9 Reefur Patch), JLWE9AC and JLWE8CC (Billys Version)....and started just playing PES 2008 PS2 version....i am starting to think PES 2008 could very well be the best game Konami ever made. Just everything is so random, not scripted, a lot of different scenarios, AI plays like human, I think it has the best shooting of any football game, ever. Shooting is the best of the best.
 
I've been just testing a lot of games lately, from heavily modded FIFA 16 to PES 17, PES 13, WE9LE (Exogenesis Patch), WE8LE (.9 Reefur Patch), JLWE9AC and JLWE8CC (Billys Version)....and started just playing PES 2008 PS2 version....i am starting to think PES 2008 could very well be the best game Konami ever made. Just everything is so random, not scripted, a lot of different scenarios, AI plays like human, I think it has the best shooting of any football game, ever. Shooting is the best of the best.
I'm hoping by this you mean the PS2 version of PES 2008 and not the PC version lol
I've come to the conclusion about 3 different games that I personally think are the pick of bunch.

WE2002 (PS1)
WE6FE (PS2/GameCube)
PES 2008/WE2008 (PS2)

They're all amazing games and have vastly different gameplay. So yeah if I could only pick three then that's what id play.
 
I'm hoping by this you mean the PS2 version of PES 2008 and not the PC version lol
I've come to the conclusion about 3 different games that I personally think are the pick of bunch.

WE2002 (PS1)
WE6FE (PS2/GameCube)
PES 2008/WE2008 (PS2)

They're all amazing games and have vastly different gameplay. So yeah if I could only pick three then that's what id play.
Yeah, PS2. Do you like Winning Eleven 3 Final Version. That game plus WE2002 can easily be played online. Let me know if yo're up for a match one of these days.

I use Arkazija or whatever the tool is called
 
Yeah, PS2. Do you like Winning Eleven 3 Final Version. That game plus WE2002 can easily be played online. Let me know if yo're up for a match one of these days.

I use Arkazija or whatever the tool is called
Yeah but WE2002 is better I think.
I don't have a PC currently. I've got an android handheld that i emulate everything on and arkadjzja is only for PC currently. Maybe in the future 👍
 
Yeah but WE2002 is better I think.
I don't have a PC currently. I've got an android handheld that i emulate everything on and arkadjzja is only for PC currently. Maybe in the future 👍
I have no clue why but WE3 Final Version is very popular in middle east. There is an IG account with like 30k followers, and they all have real life tournaments like they do for Kick Off and Swos LOL. I do prefer WE2002 over it. PassionWE makes some great mod for WE2002
 
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