Arsenal Thread

Benni said:
what is the feeling like in the stadium regarding Wenger, Bobby? Is it split 50 50 or do the majority still support him?
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u should be asking me that.

when we lost to swansea in the league game we booed the whole team and many chanting to wenger "u dont know what your doing!"

Also it is now dead easy to buy tickets. U can still buy tickets for the liverpool game for example and good seats too at the east stand upper tear having similar view as watching on tv.

There are more empty seats and more easier to get tickets.

Arsenal are in a decline. we are not selling out anymore
 
You were a tad unlucky against Chelsea on Sunday. Ramirez fouls Coquelin in the build up to Chelsea's 1st goal and I thought Giroud was terrible. Missed a guilt edge chance at 0-0 that I think would have changed the match.

I think this will be Wenger's last season one way or the other.
 
Wenger should have gone all guns blazing this season and spend 100m on players offering them 150k. we could have gotten some amazing players out of that and probably would have been higher up the table but now wenger will go down as a failure once he goes from arsenal. its a long long time since wenger last won something
 
Wenger would never go as a failure he has built a legacy here that will be remembered for ever. I will never forget the good times and the players over our successful times with him.

For me I can understand a lot of what happened the previous seasons, but this season I was really hoping we could kick on and it just isn't happening which is sad. Lessons just aren't being learned by both the players and by Wenger/Board.

He has made mistakes and gambles that haven't paid off, but I don't mind that. But now it is as if he is living in his own world sometimes, his stubborness is having a detrimental effect on Arsenal progressing and it just doesn't sit well.

Hopefully he proves us all wrong and the players we have will be amazing from now on and we get 4th (But it is still only 4th)....but it is highly unlikely at the moment.

I hope he pulls off a couple of players before the deadline and strengthens our squad a bit with players that can either do some damage from the off or at least come off the bench and be dangerous/or help the team be creative/or make us stronger. Because these are the players we need and to give a rest to other players.
 
We'll never know..

We should do. we should make a 60-70m loss for one season just to build and establish our club but IMO i think the issue us down to wenger not the board/money

dont forget, only 4 or so years ago rvp and fabregas was in the same team and we still won nothing.
 
BobbyBox said:
Wenger would never go as a failure he has built a legacy here that will be remembered for ever. I will never forget the good times and the players over our successful times with him.

For me I can understand a lot of what happened the previous seasons, but this season I was really hoping we could kick on and it just isn't happening which is sad. Lessons just aren't being learned by both the players and by Wenger/Board.

He has made mistakes and gambles that haven't paid off, but I don't mind that. But now it is as if he is living in his own world sometimes, his stubborness is having a detrimental effect on Arsenal progressing and it just doesn't sit well.

Hopefully he proves us all wrong and the players we have will be amazing from now on and we get 4th (But it is still only 4th)....but it is highly unlikely at the moment.

I hope he pulls off a couple of players before the deadline and strengthens our squad a bit with players that can either do some damage from the off or at least come off the bench and be dangerous/or help the team be creative/or make us stronger. Because these are the players we need and to give a rest to other players.
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he would, if he goes say anothr 7 years of winning nothing no one will remember him as the best manager. people will say he fluked his early years. how should a manager be judged? by a few great seasons? or how the manager has been as a whole?
 
But Jonney be fair, he did build a team of invincibles dont forget? I know thats a long time ago but he built that team and achieved that.
 
jonneymendoza said:
he would, if he goes say anothr 7 years of winning nothing no one will remember him as the best manager. people will say he fluked his early years. how should a manager be judged? by a few great seasons? or how the manager has been as a whole?
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He has done much more than having successful seasons though, he created a different mentality and ethos at Arsenal, helped to create the new stadium and youth team infrastructure along with having a really successful team with some amazing players.

This period is definitely a blight on that, but it will never take away what he has done for the Club and for its future.
 
jonneymendoza said:
u should be asking me that.

when we lost to swansea in the league game we booed the whole team and many chanting to wenger "u dont know what your doing!"

Also it is now dead easy to buy tickets. U can still buy tickets for the liverpool game for example and good seats too at the east stand upper tear having similar view as watching on tv.

There are more empty seats and more easier to get tickets.

Arsenal are in a decline. we are not selling out anymore
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thanks Jonney.

Didnt realise things were that bad to be honest.
 
jonneymendoza said:
We'll never know..

We should do. we should make a 60-70m loss for one season just to build and establish our club but IMO i think the issue us down to wenger not the board/money

dont forget, only 4 or so years ago rvp and fabregas was in the same team and we still won nothing.
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That's a great idea. Lots of teams have lost 70m pounds in a season and been fine.

Well, to put it more correctly, only two have, and they've been fine because their owners have more money than God.
 
It would make sense for Arsenal to go into debt by say 70m in order to keep their CL place and not run the risk of turning into the next Liverpool and lose even more than 70m in the process.
 
And then miss out on the CL and risk of doing a Leeds ?
I'm pretty sure that 90% for the players are bought in the january transfer window are bad transfers because they are done for the wrong reasons: panic. I'm also sure that clubs pay too much for these players and the players wages are too high.
Sometimes a well run can't follow the fans' wishes...

A year witout Cl might be a blessing in disguise: the players who are in it for the wrong reasons will ask a transfer, let them go and buy better and more motivated players. Build a new good team that can challenge for the title. As long as nothing changes for teams like barcelona, Real Madrid and Bayern Munchen (and maybe even Juventus), Arsenal don't stand a chance to win the CL unless the do a Chelsea, but Arsenal hasn't got the right mentality to win that way...

What godotelli suggests is short term policy and no guarantee for success.
 
Exactly you think just by spending all of that money we will automatically win things and guarantee champs league footy. the amount you are talking about is peanuts compared to what City and Chelsea have spent to get where they are.

It doesn't matter if we spend another 100million there are certain inherent things at the club that are holding us back. As said before I think our team is more than capable of reaching 3rd/4th and with a couple of additions to bolster our squad, then I think we can go for the league, I really do think so, we don't need to spend so much, but we need to spend and improve our squad and most of them need a labotomy and try and get rid of why we are failing mentally, because I think that's what it is mostly....and I think Wenger is part of why that is, but I also think he can change that if he realises it and is willing to.

Imo we can spend another 40-50mill on 2-3 really good players and that is within our means, we have the money to do that, this is what is frustrating.
 
What frustrating is Wenger's patience . He just hands out excuses " we lack" "weren't sharp enough" "we ...we...we".
I thought in Japan they don't give excuses they focus not the problem but the solution.
 
Arsenal doesnt have to spend £70m, only address the obvious problems we have at the moment. I know that the January transfer window is tricky, not many top players will be available, but some definitely could make us stronger and something needs to be done.

Newcastle seemed to have signed Mbiwa for £7m. Well, that's a figure we could afford surely? This guy apparently is a DM who can play as CB. God knows we need an utility player like this.

What is really infuriating is hearing Wenger say he will only sign exceptional players, as if his current squad was as good as Barcelona's. Give us a break!

I don't wanna see panic shopping, which would tie more mediocre players to us for 3 or 4 years on a high salary.
But we surely need some steel in some positions and they don't have to be the next Patrick Vieira. A Flamini would do for now.

I know Wenger tries to send a message that he trusts his players, and that's great for the atmosphere in the dressing room. But we have people like Diaby and Rosicky who won't be around for large parts of the season.

I just can't believe he will actually go the whole month without reinforcing this squad, the same squad he labelled as 'jaded' back in December.
I hope something is being done very quietly and hits as with a huge surprise soon. That's unlikely though, as when there are negotiations taking place, at some point some information leak. Where there's smoke there is fire, and all that.

All I know is that if no one comes in now, and come May and we don't have at least a CL spot I'm gonna be amongst the ones calling for Wenger's head.
 
BobbyBox said:
And he has bought quite a few players after he has said that as well.
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very true Bobby. I thought Arteta and Carzola were excellent signings.

Apart from Lasagne, Arsenal need a new defence. 2 centre backs and a left back is needed badly. Wont happen though and until it does, Arsenal wont win league titles or CL. You dont have any steel in the side.

Its all tippy tappy happy clappy football with no OOOMPH. Where are the Petit? The Vieiria, Adams and Keown type players??

Not enough leaders on pitch either apart from Wilshere.
 
I wouldn't say go into debt for this Jan window, only that if you miss out on CL this year it would make sense to go into debt in order to get it back and keep it, if needed.
 
Benni said:
very true Bobby. I thought Arteta and Carzola were excellent signings.

Apart from Lasagne, Arsenal need a new defence. 2 centre backs and a left back is needed badly. Wont happen though and until it does, Arsenal wont win league titles or CL. You dont have any steel in the side.

Its all tippy tappy happy clappy football with no OOOMPH. Where are the Petit? The Vieiria, Adams and Keown type players??

Not enough leaders on pitch either apart from Wilshere.
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I don't think changing the whole defense would be the answer. Of course I do get annoyed seeing stupid mistakes and own goals and unnecessary red cards by Koscielny. Him and Vermaelen have been having highs and lows (more lows) but they're generally good players. Mertesacker is a good solid centre half.
Sagna is one of the best right backs in the league (despite some poor performances of late) and Gibbs has been improving a lot.

I think we look shaken and frail because of our system. Our system exposes defenders in such a way that it makes our defence look worse than it actually is. It is a very heavy burden to defend when you don't get enough support from other areas.
They don't know how to defend as a team. Our wingers still don't track back, after much talk about Arshavin's lazyness for instance. He was just chosen as a scapegoat. Now he barely plays, but that old problem is still there.

Another huge problem I see with this team is Wenger's reluctance to change formation according to the players that are available or especially according to the opposition we're facing.

We have a very nimble and skilful midfield trio of midfielders in Arteta, Cazorla and Wilshere. But on paper this is good only for one thing: creating. What about destruction? If you are going to commit 3 forwards who barely track back, leaving only 3 in the midfield, then the least you could do is use a strong and defensive minded guy among those 3.
But all we have is Arteta, and when he's not playing we have Coquelin.

But Wenger refuses to address this. Song was too offensive for a DM at most times, but at least he had physicality. With Arteta, we don't have even this. He is a great player, but he should be the 2nd in this midfield or at least part of a DM duo. It's suicidal to use him alone in this role.

Our team in this particular formation is so unbalanced, more concerned with control of possession, creativity and tikki takka, that it neglects almost completely the defensive side.

Wenger is so stubborn with this 4-3-3 of his that he'd rather use players out of position, instead of reworking his system in order to get the best out of them. Therefore we get Ramsey as a winger, Arteta as the defensive midfielder, and now we had Cazorla as a winger in this last match.

All of this doesn't sound like a manager doing good work and making good use of his resources.
I'm beginning to think it's time for Wenger to climb one level up and be a part of the board, allowing a more modern and dynamic manager to take over.
 
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I think you simplify things a bit too much but the jist is right IMO.

Saying our Wingers don't get back isn't true, probably the only one that doesn't is Walcott. When the Pod and The Ox are playing they track back quite a bit and help the full backs.

He didn't just put Cazorla as a Winger also he was interchanging with Jack, but it shouldn't be much for him to play a decent game there anyway and he was only there because The Pod and The Ox were ill and Gervinho is at the ACN.

And you mention Arshavin again....but the reason you put is not the only reason why he isn't playing now (but we won't go into that all again)

But the rest I agree with about the defence and the defensive midfielder :))
 
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