Arsenal Thread

Damn it, nevermind 4th place, I fear we won't make even the Europa League. Just took a look at the table after this round and we're 7th!!...
 
Maybe it would be better for Arsene if he left...i don't think he deserves this.
It is always very easy to predict catastrophes, when the results are not according to the expectations you can claim they are catastrophical and when they are good nobody will remember your catastrophic predictions.

Some fans in here sound as if Arsenal has a divine right to be among the best teams in the world...football clubs go through ebb and flow like each one of us...moaning about so-called bad results (if Van Persie doesn't hit the woodwork twice, Arsenal can win this match...oh and considering the fact that Liverpool lost against this Bolton team, this is even a good result) is the easy way out.
 
gerd said:
Maybe it would be better for Arsene if he left...i don't think he deserves this.
It is always very easy to predict catastrophes, when the results are not according to the expectations you can claim they are catastrophical and when they are good nobody will remember your catastrophic predictions.

Some fans in here sound as if Arsenal has a divine right to be among the best teams in the world...football clubs go through ebb and flow like each one of us...moaning about so-called bad results (if Van Persie doesn't hit the woodwork twice, Arsenal can win this match...oh and considering the fact that Liverpool lost against this Bolton team, this is even a good result) is the easy way out.
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Doesnt matter if liverpool lost to bolton, they are ahead of us as they have got more points then us.

i dont know why you defend wenger. It goes to show some people think wenger is irreplacable and doesnt deserve to go even if we finish 7th or even 17th.

Some people here will defend Wenger regardless of how bad we play or finish in a season Yet is bloody perfectly fine for people to question other managers that are not wenger from different clubs such as Chelsea, Real madrid and Liverpool.

Why is that? Why are people questioning morinho, AVB and now kenny when morinho is top of the table in la liga, Chelsea in top 4 and AVB's first season, and Kenny on only his second season in charge of liverpool and above arsenal fighting for 4th?

Yet here we are, Mr Wenger the untouchable has gone nearly 7 years of winning nothing and close to not only not making top 4 but also probably not making uefa cup too.

So please answer me gerd. how low does arsenal need to finish before you are convinced that he has to go? 7th? 8th? what?

We dont have the divine right to win trophies and finish top 4 but aint we suppose to be a top side? Wasnt the purpose of moving to emirates was to start competing with the likes of real madrid and united in terms of finance/profit we get from a big stadium?

And can u honestly tell me that during the last 7 years, Wenger has done his very best to try and win something? Has he done the best he can to sort out our shit defence? Bought any world class players? Have a Plan B when Plan A of tippy tappy football doesnt work?

The answer is no IMO. that is why he has to go. he hasnt done everything he can to get the best out of the club and what we got.

We are going backwards with each season gerd. dont you see that? the current league position we are in says it all. fighting for 4th place when a few years ago we was fighting for the title? 1 point out of 4 games?

6 losses i believe we have so far this season? in danger of not only finishing outside of the top 4 but as low as not being able to play uefa cup football?

And if we dont get top 4, what happens if RVP leaves us? Will we get a direct replacement that is nearly as good as him? If not, do u honestly think chamack can step up and be as good as rvp?

What world class player would wanna join us if we dont make top 4?
 
Do you think that Arsenal would not go backwards without Wenger?
Do you think that things will get better with a new manager? There are scientific studies that have done research about the impact of new managers. The result: the impact is nil, nada, nothing...

When i read your post i think that for you Arsenal has the divine right to be in the top 4. Football clubs go in cycles upwards and downwards, Arsenal could be in a downwards cycle (but last year around this time they were competing for the title, don't forget that).

I know what you will reply jonney: last year we were competing for the title, but we failed...

Ok, so what?

Your expectations are not realistic and you project this on Wenger...once Arsenal took the decision to build and pay a new stadium, you bloody well knew that financially they could not compete with the big clubs. Hence: out of the top four. That is very logical. Don't blame Wenger for this...you got to blame your board who ultimately took that decision.

You can't compare Wenger with Mourinho, AVB and Dalglish. Although i agree with you that AVB and Mourinho should not get stick. Dalglish should get more stick...he has bought the worst CF in the history of English football for an amount that is ridiculously high and his team attacks without a plan. Apart from Caroll Liverpool have very good players but they are boring as hell...

As for Arsenal: you get the quality for the amount of money you are able to spend. Wenger invested in young relatively cheap players...the fact that he overachieved in the past (although with more money) is haunting him now.

That is my opinion, i know you don't agree and i also know that not a single argument will persuade you that Wenger shouldn't go. So let's just agree to disagree with all possible respect.
 
gerd said:
Do you think that Arsenal would not go backwards without Wenger?
Do you think that things will get better with a new manager? There are scientific studies that have done research about the impact of new managers. The result: the impact is nil, nada, nothing...

When i read your post i think that for you Arsenal has the divine right to be in the top 4. Football clubs go in cycles upwards and downwards, Arsenal could be in a downwards cycle (but last year around this time they were competing for the title, don't forget that).

I know what you will reply jonney: last year we were competing for the title, but we failed...

Ok, so what?

Your expectations are not realistic and you project this on Wenger...once Arsenal took the decision to build and pay a new stadium, you bloody well knew that financially they could not compete with the big clubs. Hence: out of the top four. That is very logical. Don't blame Wenger for this...you got to blame your board who ultimately took that decision.

You can't compare Wenger with Mourinho, AVB and Dalglish. Although i agree with you that AVB and Mourinho should not get stick. Dalglish should get more stick...he has bought the worst CF in the history of English football for an amount that is ridiculously high and his team attacks without a plan. Apart from Caroll Liverpool have very good players but they are boring as hell...

As for Arsenal: you get the quality for the amount of money you are able to spend. Wenger invested in young relatively cheap players...the fact that he overachieved in the past (although with more money) is haunting him now.

That is my opinion, i know you don't agree and i also know that not a single argument will persuade you that Wenger shouldn't go. So let's just agree to disagree with all possible respect.
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Did we go backwards when we offloaded Graham and Rioch and replaced with wenger?

Did city go backwards offloading mark hughes for Manchini? Has RM gone backwards since getting Morinho? list goes on and on.

my point is no, some times you go forward when you have a new manager with fresh new ideas. Whos to say our next manager wont bring us forward?

You have not answered my question as to what it will take for you to decide that wenger has to go. finishing 7th? what is it?

So whos to blame when we dotn have a Plan B or how our defenders cant do basic defending? The board? LOL come on mate. i have given u plenty of reason in the past on why wenger has to go that doesnt even mention the fact we aint won nothing.

i have challenged you to explain who is responsible for coaching our players to defend properly. who is responsible for developing a plan B when Plan A of walking the ball at the back of the net doesnt work. Or who decides who is playing each match.

The board are to blame? What does wenger have responsibility for then if he is not responsible for on-field actions then? Who?

All you point to, is "lack of silverware" as the reason why i want wenge rout when clearly i have named LOADS of different reasons why he should go yet time and time again you ignore it and focus on just one issue: lack of silverware.

Lets see if you can respond to the other issues mate
 
jonneymendoza said:
Did we go backwards when we offloaded Graham and Rioch and replaced with wenger?

Did city go backwards offloading mark hughes for Manchini? Has RM gone backwards since getting Morinho? list goes on and on.

my point is no, some times you go forward when you have a new manager with fresh new ideas. Whos to say our next manager wont bring us forward?

You have not answered my question as to what it will take for you to decide that wenger has to go. finishing 7th? what is it?

So whos to blame when we dotn have a Plan B or how our defenders cant do basic defending? The board? LOL come on mate. i have given u plenty of reason in the past on why wenger has to go that doesnt even mention the fact we aint won nothing.

i have challenged you to explain who is responsible for coaching our players to defend properly. who is responsible for developing a plan B when Plan A of walking the ball at the back of the net doesnt work. Or who decides who is playing each match.

The board are to blame? What does wenger have responsibility for then if he is not responsible for on-field actions then? Who?

All you point to, is "lack of silverware" as the reason why i want wenge rout when clearly i have named LOADS of different reasons why he should go yet time and time again you ignore it and focus on just one issue: lack of silverware.

Lets see if you can respond to the other issues mate
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Bloody hell. Stop whinging and saying the same stuff over and over again. At least if you are save yourself some time and copy and paste! ;)

I've always said be careful what you wish. I was just saying on my weekend away that I don't want my boys Guinea Pigs once we've had all downstairs done out (new kitchen / WC / lounge etc.) and when we got back, one of the poor little buggers had died :( I wouldn't have wished that as my youngest was gutted. Just found it strange that I had only just been talking about and next thing we know, he's gone to Guinea Pig heaven.

So moral is, be careful J as who is to say these youngsters don't start coming good. Your future isn't as bad as you make out IMO.
 
Wenger has to go at the moment that he can't have the results that are appropriate with the players he has.
With this team it would be a miracle if he finished in the top four.

Arsenal under Wenger are to my knowledge the only team that never bought stars, but made them...name me one star Wenger has bought?

Henry? Nope, he looked finished after his misadventure in Italy.
Bergkamp? Nope, same as Henry.
Fabregas? Youth player
Viera? An unknown player.

Overmars and Kanu come close, but they weren't exactly stars when brought.

Pires? Nope.

Wenger made al those players better.

The current crop are significantly less good, but still some of them are getting better and better under him (Sagna, Song).

Wenger made some bad transfers? Yes.
Ask 10 people who is the best manager around and at least five will say Ferguson. Ok: Forlan, Djemba Djemba, Barthez (and quite a few other Gk's), Owen, and loads of other players.

Transferring players is always gambling a litle bit...

Why do Arsenal players can't defend (you exagerate, but i go along with you)? Because they haven't got a single top defender in years...not a single...There is one particular Arsenal defender i know quite well, Thomas Vermaelen. Well if you compare the current Thomas Vermaelen to the Ajax Vermaelen, this player is much, much better...Wenger made him better. I'm quite sure the same goes for Sagna and Clichy (look how well he is doing for City now).

You are a nice bloke jonney but with you the glass is always half empty. Discussing with you sometimes has similarities with trying to catch water...there is no harm in that, but please forgive if for the moment i've had enough of it...absolutely no disrespect.

Maybe you are just to big a fan to see things rationally.
 
gerd said:
Wenger has to go at the moment that he can't have the results that are appropriate with the players he has.
With this team it would be a miracle if he finished in the top four.

Arsenal under Wenger are to my knowledge the only team that never bought stars, but made them...name me one star Wenger has bought?

Henry? Nope, he looked finished after his misadventure in Italy.
Bergkamp? Nope, same as Henry.
Fabregas? Youth player
Viera? An unknown player.

Overmars and Kanu come close, but they weren't exactly stars when brought.

Pires? Nope.

Wenger made al those players better.

The current crop are significantly less good, but still some of them are getting better and better under him (Sagna, Song).

Wenger made some bad transfers? Yes.
Ask 10 people who is the best manager around and at least five will say Ferguson. Ok: Forlan, Djemba Djemba, Barthez (and quite a few other Gk's), Owen, and loads of other players.

Transferring players is always gambling a litle bit...

Why do Arsenal players can't defend (you exagerate, but i go along with you)? Because they haven't got a single top defender in years...not a single...There is one particular Arsenal defender i know quite well, Thomas Vermaelen. Well if you compare the current Thomas Vermaelen to the Ajax Vermaelen, this player is much, much better...Wenger made him better. I'm quite sure the same goes for Sagna and Clichy (look how well he is doing for City now).

You are a nice bloke jonney but with you the glass is always half empty. Discussing with you sometimes has similarities with trying to catch water...there is no harm in that, but please forgive if for the moment i've had enough of it...absolutely no disrespect.

Maybe you are just to big a fan to see things rationally.
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In terms of transfers maybe you are right but how come dispite making a few godo defenders such has toure, vermahlen and sagna, how come they all still cant defend as a unit?

People here was slating vermahlen and co for united last goal for example. Wenger may produce defenders wit h good ability but thats about it. The team cannot defend as a whole and it doesnt matter if all our defenders were like vermahlen, they still would leak simple goals week in week out.

And there lies the problem. Wenger cant coach our team to defend as a "team". thats one of the reasons he should go because he is not bringing out the best of our full strength defence.

2nd thing is Plan B. you have not commented on that one. Most teams have a Plan B when Plan A doesnt work yet we dont. we play the exact same way week in week out for th past 7 years and you wonder why most teams have sussed us out yet wenger fails to change.He is not managing barcelona. he hasnt got the same quality set of players that can play like barcelona so why does he continue to do so?

And general tactics. Does Wenger relaly play our best team? Why has walcott not been dropped yet? he has been awful for over a month. And how come it has taken this long to trickle and introduce Ox who had showed lots of promise early on the season? exmplain that to me?

I wont even bother mentioning Wengers bizare sub decision against united.

The one thing you are forgetting to comment is that even though wenger makes world class players, they are now beginning to leave as soon as they have one good season. they dont wait till there early 30's/late 20's to move on. they move when they are on there prime.

Nasri, Flamini, Hleb, Clichy and Farbegas are/where still young when they left us. Compare them to Viera, Henry, pires etc who left us at what age? When they was beginning to go downhill. not when theyw as at the prime. Why is that?

Simple. Back then, viera and co where on a winning team, winning things, competing with the very best so why leave so early?

Now fast forward to the last 3-4 years. why do you think wengers previous starts left at such a young age? because they felt Arsenal could not provide them with the trophies and competiveness with the very best in the league/Europe.

Thats why most of them left. A player has a short lifespan in there career and they 9/10 want to progress to bigger and better challenges. A player like fabregas deserves better nd he went and rightly so. Same as RVP. he deserves better. his ability, efforts and hard work are for nothing at arsenal. Hem like fabregas is a world class proven player and deserved to play at a world class team and arsenal is not that team anymore.

Same thing will happen to Ox and Wilshere once they become regardes as a world class player. They will leave and want to join a team thats world class fighting alongside united, RM and barca. Not struggling and battling with norwicth/swansea etc, or some europa team on a thursday night.

Dont you understand? just like in real life, if you are the best at what you do, Would you stick to working for a micky mouse company? of course not. you would want to progress in your own career and join a beter company that can offer you much higher standard for your career. Same for footballers.

Mark my words. Both Ox and Wilsher will leave arsenal before then hit 25 if things continue as it is. Bookmark this very same post and re visit it in 2-3 years time.

If i am wrong and that both Wilsher and Ox wont leave in 2-3 years time if Arsenal stay the same as they are then i will donate some money to you via paypal:))
 
Ihave to agree with jonney!!
And i think that Wenger should work more with youth players rather than being a manager!!He lack tactical knowledge and mainly becouse of that we lose many games!!
 
True that we were unlucky yesterday and RVP could have scored twice if it wasn't for bad luck. There were also clear chances missed by that useless Walcott. We could've won comfortably, in fact.

But in the end, 2 points dropped against a side that is struggling to stay in the Premier League. We will have tougher matches than that one, and it's not looking good when we're standing at 7th.

Let's not forget that Arsenal's pattern in the 2nd half of past seasons is one of decline. Last season and the one before that, this time of year we would be pushing for the title together with the top dogs, in 2nd or 3rd place, and never more than 4 points behind the leaders. But after January our season collapses and I'm afraid our yearly collapse has come earlier this season. No points collected in Jan, now we start Feb with a draw...

Plus, no January boost like we had with Arshavin in 2009. I just can't see us fighting our way back.

Wenger certainly has the right morals, he's of a good character and wants to do things the right way. But I think he has to concede that his model failed and cannot survive nowadays. Especially when you have financial doping around you.
His "almost socialist" approach to salary caps is another big issue. We have trouble offloading flukes like Bendtner and Denilson, because nobody wants to pay the salaries Arsenal pays them! Bloody Diaby makes 70k a week! That's more than Modric at Tottenham? (correct me if I'm wrong)
The point I'm trying to make is that some passengers in this club are making almost as much money as one RVP. This is practically socialism! And this can't be good for your top players, who will feel undervalued sooner or later.

Another issue with Wenger is that he's not good enough tactically, like girts1204 pointed out. 90% of his substitutions are like for like when the game approaches the 75th minute, when one of our wingers or midfielder is tired. Very rarely he makes changes that change dramatically the course of the match.
Wenger is almost arrogant in the way he insists not changing his style, not even when we have many players out injured up against stronger opposition. He knew that we didn't have natural full backs against United, and still stuck with this fragile 4-3-3 and ultimately paid the price.

I'm not saying "sack Wenger" now, but we have to know he is no Messiah. And a change of managers does change things, how they can not?? For better or for worse, but it changes a lot.
Just look at the impact Martin O'Neill has on Sunderland's season.

Unfortunately there's more that needs to be changed at Arsenal.
 
Getting a new manager would help change arsenal. Or getting Mark Zuckerberg to buy Arsenal and hand Wenger 150million of transfer kitty forcing him to buy top players or quit, is another way to change.

Yes its not good to have owners telling managers who to buy etc but if i was owner of the club. i would certainly tell the manager i employed to go buy quaity players or just fuck off then if you are going to buy a load of shit players and turning my club backwards.

Anyways Martin o Niel is a fine example of what a new manager can do for a club and diddnt i and a few others here even suggested Martin o niel take over at arsenal yet we got laughed at?
 
I was bored after the 24th minute mark. Wenger gambles way too much... The players together looked confuse n out of sorts . I'll stand by Wenger because I believe he'll be better nothing like humble pie when serve hot. He knows the team is not playing well and a dip inform was on the horizon like Rent said.

I still believe we'll finish 4th snd the spurs could drop off in a matter of minutes most of their players are losing form and not to make it about them. i think buying players can backfire. I would like Ramsey to sit out I really do. Lets start Benayou n Rosicky for a change up I woud leave Theo on the bench too. Arshavin cud start behind in RVO...change up ! Gamble w/ older players that want to prove themselves then bring the younger ones. Dealing w ppl its good to freeze them out for a short period , but not too long lol enough to send them the message.
 
girts1204 said:
Ihave to agree with jonney!!
And i think that Wenger should work more with youth players rather than being a manager!!He lack tactical knowledge and mainly becouse of that we lose many games!!
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so how do u explain the early years when we done so well under him?

He was tactically neive then?
 
gerd said:
Wenger has to go at the moment that he can't have the results that are appropriate with the players he has.
With this team it would be a miracle if he finished in the top four.

Arsenal under Wenger are to my knowledge the only team that never bought stars, but made them...name me one star Wenger has bought?

Henry? Nope, he looked finished after his misadventure in Italy.
Bergkamp? Nope, same as Henry.
Fabregas? Youth player
Viera? An unknown player.

Overmars and Kanu come close, but they weren't exactly stars when brought.

Pires? Nope.

Wenger made al those players better.

The current crop are significantly less good, but still some of them are getting better and better under him (Sagna, Song).

Wenger made some bad transfers? Yes.
Ask 10 people who is the best manager around and at least five will say Ferguson. Ok: Forlan, Djemba Djemba, Barthez (and quite a few other Gk's), Owen, and loads of other players.

Transferring players is always gambling a litle bit...

Why do Arsenal players can't defend (you exagerate, but i go along with you)? Because they haven't got a single top defender in years...not a single...There is one particular Arsenal defender i know quite well, Thomas Vermaelen. Well if you compare the current Thomas Vermaelen to the Ajax Vermaelen, this player is much, much better...Wenger made him better. I'm quite sure the same goes for Sagna and Clichy (look how well he is doing for City now).

You are a nice bloke jonney but with you the glass is always half empty. Discussing with you sometimes has similarities with trying to catch water...there is no harm in that, but please forgive if for the moment i've had enough of it...absolutely no disrespect.

Maybe you are just to big a fan to see things rationally.
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yes its true a lot...viera, petit, anelka etc...etc..but for everyone of them he bought a wreh or boa morte etc....

HOwever, I think overmars, arshavin, kanu, nasri, henry were all well known international players when we bought them. Henry was just young and gone through a bad transfer move,

Pires was also a big eruopean player he just got better in a better team at arsenal as he peaked.

But wenger is not finding these quality of unkwnon young players no more

Faberags
Anelka

etc...
 
pes4lyfe said:
so how do u explain the early years when we done so well under him?

He was tactically neive then?
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I explain that at that time our players were more experienced!
Now we have many young players with very good technical ability but not tactical!!With some exeptions!!
 
girts1204 said:
I explain that at that time our players were more experienced!
Now we have many young players with very good technical ability but not tactical!!With some exeptions!!
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true to a point. He inehrited the old back 4

dixon-bould-adams-winterbrun-wright-parlour-keown plus bergkamp, platt, petit, pires etc..all quite expereinced

Off course veira, henry, ljungberg, cole and anelaka etcwhere young and inexpereinced somewhat...a decent balance.

So one coudl say arsenal need to buy some expreinced pros. Relying on wilshires and ramseys and walcotts and OX etc..is a terrible idea.

Then look at our older players, rosckiy, beyoauon, arshavin etc..harldy pwoerful strong leader players.

I guess we lack strong powerful big experienced players?
 
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We have the weakest squad in the Wenger Era. There's no point in comparing one by one, I won't even go there!

To make matters worse, we aren't making the best out of what we've got. Far from it!

Wenger insists in this suspicious 4-3-3 formation. Makes our already vulnerable flanks look even worse, especially at times when we have makeshift fullbacks.
Arshavin came as world beater to this club, but after being played out of position for more than 3 seasons has lost his way.

Many seasons ago we had plenty of attacking power that imposed some respect from opposition.

Today we got guys like Walcott, who will be an eternal promise and can't finish chances even if his life depends on it.

Say whatever you want about Arshavin, I know he is a four letter word right now among Arsenal fans, but I doubt he would miss that sitter yesterday. Just play him behind RVP in a 4-4-2 and we would see him score more, create chances for RVP and not being exposed with his piss poor defending.
Then if he doesn't respond even then, yeah, ship him back to Russia. But at least give the guy a chance, because a chump like Walcott drives me up the walls, I can't watch anymore!
 
pes4lyfe said:
so how do u explain the early years when we done so well under him?

He was tactically neive then?
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wenger inherent the famous back 4 and the likes of pires viera helb petit etc all could pass like xavi and co to an extent whilst our current crop can't play that tippy tappy shit anymore

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Rentboy said:
We have the weakest squad in the Wenger Era. There's no point in comparing one by one, I won't even go there!

To make matters worse, we aren't making the best out of what we've got. Far from it!

Wenger insists in this suspicious 4-3-3 formation. Makes our already vulnerable flanks look even worse, especially at times when we have makeshift fullbacks.
Arshavin came as world beater to this club, but after being played out of position for more than 3 seasons has lost his way.

Many seasons ago we had plenty of attacking power that imposed some respect from opposition.

Today we got guys like Walcott, who will be an eternal promise and can't finish chances even if his life depends on it.

Say whatever you want about Arshavin, I know he is a four letter word right now among Arsenal fans, but I doubt he would miss that sitter yesterday. Just play him behind RVP in a 4-4-2 and we would see him score more, create chances for RVP and not being exposed with his piss poor defending.
Then if he doesn't respond even then, yeah, ship him back to Russia. But at least give the guy a chance, because a chump like Walcott drives me up the walls, I can't watch anymore!
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Arshavin has proven on the highest level he can do it and consistently at one time....hes just out of sorts.

So yeh I mean its not like he is a crap player..he has it in him.

jonneymendoza said:
wenger inherent the famous back 4 and the likes of pires viera helb petit etc all could pass like xavi and co to an extent whilst our current crop can't play that tippy tappy shit anymore

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ok right...so we need new players and not the ones he bought recently.

Rosciky and benyoun and arshavin can pass about but they are all small and weak.

We need some power in the midfiled eg..veira+petit.

If we had viera+petit Im sure a player like walcott or asrshavin woudl have more attacking freedom to flourish etc...

Problem is we have no solidness about our team.

We wouldnt have expected Overmars or ljungerberg to defend much.
 
Jonney, you should download the latest edition of Football Weekly, the Gurdian's football podcast. A large part of it is about Arsenal's problems. Wenger isn't mentioned at all (only in terms of: "will he stay", and yes he will).
Basically they say Kronke is to blame, because American club owner have other standards of success. Kronke is a very succesfull owner by American standards: his teams make huge profits. The fact that they lack success in term of sports results does not disturb Kronke. Apparently Arsenal is doing rather well financially, but the base is small and Kronke has to be cautious. Result: he refuses to invest in the team...But you should listen to the podcast, they explain it much better.

But basically they said what i've been saying: if you don't invest enough the results will go downhill. Wenger may have made mistakes, but these have minor influence...

The players simply are not good enough because you have to pay a price for good players, Kronke isn't prepared to pay that amount of money and Wenger gets the stick from the fans.

Conclusion: fans are targeting the wrong person, as long as they target Wenger, Kronke will not change his ways and things will continue to go downhill. (That is my conclusion). One could ask if fans can influence Kronke, of course...
 
gerd said:
Jonney, you should download the latest edition of Football Weekly, the Gurdian's football podcast. A large part of it is about Arsenal's problems. Wenger isn't mentioned at all (only in terms of: "will he stay", and yes he will).
Basically they say Kronke is to blame, because American club owner have other standards of success. Kronke is a very succesfull owner by American standards: his teams make huge profits. The fact that they lack success in term of sports results does not disturb Kronke. Apparently Arsenal is doing rather well financially, but the base is small and Kronke has to be cautious. Result: he refuses to invest in the team...But you should listen to the podcast, they explain it much better.

But basically they said what i've been saying: if you don't invest enough the results will go downhill. Wenger may have made mistakes, but these have minor influence...

The players simply are not good enough because you have to pay a price for good players, Kronke isn't prepared to pay that amount of money and Wenger gets the stick from the fans.

Conclusion: fans are targeting the wrong person, as long as they target Wenger, Kronke will not change his ways and things will continue to go downhill. (That is my conclusion). One could ask if fans can influence Kronke, of course...
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Wenger has said himself he has money to spend but will only do so for the right price/player. That is why Wenger is being slagged off because he said we have money yet doesnt spend it.

I have not read the guardian but i can already smell a load of FUD if it never questions wengers management abilities. i have listed SOOOO many fucking reasons why wenger is shit that has nothing to do with money. Can you please read it for the 1000th time instead of me wasting my time again typing those reasons that most of them you have not challenged?
 
Kroenke buying the club didn't help the situation. In one of the few occasions he opened his mouth, he said he would be much more involved with Arsenal... well, he's never there in the stadium.

The thing is he is an investor. He won't push the boundaries to achieve success, he will just operate on profit and he will be happy at that.
This doesn't look very good for Arsenal as a football club IMO.
 
Kroenke just join! can`t blame a man that came into a steady project? Most owners comes in ans stir things up make their present known. Kroenke`s MLS team won the title last year. His NFL team won the Superbowl a few years back. To say he`s in just for profit is a joke of an assessment . His NBA team he brought Allen Iverson from Phillie to join Carmelo the facts are Stan invest when needs too. I think he`s cautious w/ Wenger he has to be very impress by his number crunching methods. I think even that has a toll. By the way Stan is trying to buy a MLB team . He is wise and not desperate. Having your wife in the Walmart family she makes nearly as much then he. His is from hard work and her`s is from blood line :P that podcast is just stirring things up!
 
Nice result :DD

Against a team in a bit of trouble with a man sent off, but a nice win none the less.

Hopefully it gives us confidence and a belief in the next 3 away games (especially against AC Milan) and going into the game against Spurs at home.

Fingers crossed!
 
It's nice to have a great day for a change, eh? 7-1 with a RVP hattrick and Henry scoring was the cherry on top.
RVP's performance was one of the best I've seen: 3 goals and 2 assists

If I were a Blackburn fan I would feel a little bit hard done by, true.

But at the moment we'll be just happy to collect all 3 points, we need it badly! Let's hope we can shake this bad phase off. C'MON ARSENAL!

PS: I nearly got myself a ticket, I wish I did now.... Oh well.
 
Seems like he played really well and Walcott set up 3 goals from the sounds of it? I only read some text commentary on it though.
 
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