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Arsenal Thread

it`s called gelling as a unit... finding the perfect chemistry is vital. What makes a striker lethal ? or a gk immense I know there are moments that an individual player will shine on some moments ,but trust is something that goes a long way. It takes training together a round of golf maybe something has to develop over time. I can`t imagine a players sign today will find that trust in a weeek regardless of the pay. Problem w/ Arsenal is too many new players it did wonders ,but now the moment of building up is forming. Why is it Arshavin is able to deliver some good passes to RVP . I know players don`t drop off that quick is he enjoying himself at the training? I`m worried ,but realistic about it too .
 
Injuries is just an excuse bobby. Why are we like the only team that suffers from massive injuries every single season?

Last season we actually diddnt have much injuries yet won nothing and just about finished in the top 4
 
jonneymendoza said:
Injuries is just an excuse bobby. Why are we like the only team that suffers from massive injuries every single season?

Last season we actually diddnt have much injuries yet won nothing and just about finished in the top 4
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How are injuries just an excuse? they are happening and having an effect on the team. This defensive injury crisis could not be foreseen or countered, unless as I said before you buy alot of full backs and defenders which just isn't feasible.

The way we play makes our defence vulnerable, so having the defence so depleted is going to have an effect on the team and results, its not an excuse, it is reality.

We have had the injury debate countless times, other teams have bad injury problems and it does effect them. Man United have had injuries this season and it has effected the way they play big time, but they have still managed to fight and stay up there and be consistant. But they are no where near the old Man United teams gone buy.

I would say Tottenham have had bad long term injury problems with their key players over the years and that has effected them and other teams also. now Spurs have a team, that don't seem to have many injuries (Correct me if i'm wrong?) and are now doing alot better.

It is bad luck aswell, not only with injuries, but with players. Who would have banked on Arshavin falling from Grace so quickly? and can you blame Wenger for trying to keep him for a bit longer, because on his day can devestate defences.

Chamack had a solid reputation when he came here and then had a storming first part of the season. Who could have predicted that he would become so inneffective so quickly? and for what reason?

We have players like Diaby and Gibbs who I think if they didn't have there injury problems would be class. Wenger obviously sees this and has put so much time and effort into these players, he wants to see them flourish. But there is an argument, whether they will ever be long term fit again? if so we need to cut our losses.

Wenger has stuff to answer for of course, especially buying Park, who he is afraid to even have in the squad when we have hardly any strikers available and brought Henry in. Surely we should have signed somebody better?

Wenger should have sorted out the Fabregas and NAsri deals sooner and got new players in sooner, but it didn't happen.

He has made many mistakes, but I still believe he is the man and there are alot of other factors than just the manager for the way the team is now.

We have a solid midfield imo, good defence (When it is not all injured) and good attacking players that need to be complimented with a couple more while shipping Arshavin and Chamack out.

We have a couple of iffy results and the doom and gloom merchants all come out again.

Hopefully we don't get beaten 8-2 again this weekend! :DD to be honest though Man united could destroy us this weekend down the wings, us with no full backs and Valencia and Nani bearing down on them, it could be another bad day.

The only things keeping me thinking it might be alright is that Vermaelen might be back (Although his first game back) and it is at home. Oh well hoepfully they will suprise us :))
 
I remember listening to Football Weekly and hearing everybody agree that with Vermaelen and Arshavin had done the trnasfers of the year...
Chamakh was a great player with Bordeaux and Park was also very promising (he never had a fair chance IMO, but of course a manager sees things in training).

Do you guys really think all the transfers of other big clubs are that good. Go to the Liverpool thread and everybody is complaining about Caroll (rightly so) and Downing (prematurely) Torres and Meireles aren't the players they were with Liverpool and Luiz' defending is awfull, Bosingwa is much criticized. Lukaku is rarely even on the bench. Last year Man Utd bought a Portugese player, i don't even remember his name, and why calling back Scholes if you have Anderson in your squad, one could also argue about De Gea and Lindegaard. Manchester City bought the Serbian defender who is supposed to be a stand in for Kompany, Kolo Touré hardly ever plays, and both Dzeko and Tevez have fallen out with their coach, Johnson is mostly on the bench and Nasri is not the player he was with Arsenal.One might even claim that Aguero is not the star he was with Atletico. Hell, there are even people who claim David Villa was a bad transfer for Barcelona...

As for injuries: every club has them sooner or later....

To be short: i agree with Bobby. But nobody will be able to persuade jonney with rational arguments...i've given up that a long time now.
 
BobbyBox said:
How are injuries just an excuse? they are happening and having an effect on the team. This defensive injury crisis could not be foreseen or countered, unless as I said before you buy alot of full backs and defenders which just isn't feasible.

The way we play makes our defence vulnerable, so having the defence so depleted is going to have an effect on the team and results, its not an excuse, it is reality.

We have had the injury debate countless times, other teams have bad injury problems and it does effect them. Man United have had injuries this season and it has effected the way they play big time, but they have still managed to fight and stay up there and be consistant. But they are no where near the old Man United teams gone buy.

I would say Tottenham have had bad long term injury problems with their key players over the years and that has effected them and other teams also. now Spurs have a team, that don't seem to have many injuries (Correct me if i'm wrong?) and are now doing alot better.

It is bad luck aswell, not only with injuries, but with players. Who would have banked on Arshavin falling from Grace so quickly? and can you blame Wenger for trying to keep him for a bit longer, because on his day can devestate defences.

Chamack had a solid reputation when he came here and then had a storming first part of the season. Who could have predicted that he would become so inneffective so quickly? and for what reason?

We have players like Diaby and Gibbs who I think if they didn't have there injury problems would be class. Wenger obviously sees this and has put so much time and effort into these players, he wants to see them flourish. But there is an argument, whether they will ever be long term fit again? if so we need to cut our losses.

Wenger has stuff to answer for of course, especially buying Park, who he is afraid to even have in the squad when we have hardly any strikers available and brought Henry in. Surely we should have signed somebody better?

Wenger should have sorted out the Fabregas and NAsri deals sooner and got new players in sooner, but it didn't happen.

He has made many mistakes, but I still believe he is the man and there are alot of other factors than just the manager for the way the team is now.

We have a solid midfield imo, good defence (When it is not all injured) and good attacking players that need to be complimented with a couple more while shipping Arshavin and Chamack out.

We have a couple of iffy results and the doom and gloom merchants all come out again.

Hopefully we don't get beaten 8-2 again this weekend! :DD to be honest though Man united could destroy us this weekend down the wings, us with no full backs and Valencia and Nani bearing down on them, it could be another bad day.

The only things keeping me thinking it might be alright is that Vermaelen might be back (Although his first game back) and it is at home. Oh well hoepfully they will suprise us :))
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It is because even a fully fit arsenal, still struggle defensive-wise. always have been under wenger. Henry and co have saved our bacon time and time again in the past, now we rely just on RVP, no one else in our squad to step up the plate and score goals.

Sorry but United have far worse injuries then us yet they sit pretty 2nd place fighting for the title. no excuses mate. No way is fergie ALOT better then wenger as you noted saying united are not the rule of this.

Why o why does our players get injured soo easily? questions need to be asked in our medical team because it is fucking shit.

u do know that our medical team fucked up Wilshere's injury by leaving it too little too late to do surgery on him?

instead they pushed him back into the side without surgery on some micky mouse friendly and he got screwed big time.

Seriously dude when will u yourself have enough of wenger? when we are playing uefa cup matches next season?

Diddnt you say that if wenger doesnt get us in the top 4 this season, you will want him gone? i will try and find that post here.
 
gerd said:
I remember listening to Football Weekly and hearing everybody agree that with Vermaelen and Arshavin had done the trnasfers of the year...
Chamakh was a great player with Bordeaux and Park was also very promising (he never had a fair chance IMO, but of course a manager sees things in training).

Do you guys really think all the transfers of other big clubs are that good. Go to the Liverpool thread and everybody is complaining about Caroll (rightly so) and Downing (prematurely) Torres and Meireles aren't the players they were with Liverpool and Luiz' defending is awfull, Bosingwa is much criticized. Lukaku is rarely even on the bench. Last year Man Utd bought a Portugese player, i don't even remember his name, and why calling back Scholes if you have Anderson in your squad, one could also argue about De Gea and Lindegaard. Manchester City bought the Serbian defender who is supposed to be a stand in for Kompany, Kolo Touré hardly ever plays, and both Dzeko and Tevez have fallen out with their coach, Johnson is mostly on the bench and Nasri is not the player he was with Arsenal.One might even claim that Aguero is not the star he was with Atletico. Hell, there are even people who claim David Villa was a bad transfer for Barcelona...

As for injuries: every club has them sooner or later....

To be short: i agree with Bobby. But nobody will be able to persuade jonney with rational arguments...i've given up that a long time now.
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Who cares about bad buys. results matter and what have arsenal achieeved in the last 6+ years? fuck all.

where about to hand u lot CL place and us playing uefa cup next year. Thats how shit arsenal have become under wenger
 
I disagree with the stuff you say Jonney, but it is a conversation we have had countless times and can't do it again.
 
BobbyBox said:
Tim Stillman recent article on Arseblog is really good this week.

http://arseblog.com/
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I agree on some parts but i still blame our defence more then our attack.

we score goals. to score even one goal away from home taking the lead should at least give us a point in the game not a loss.

And to score 2 away from home and still lose is quite frankly unacceptable in this level of football.

RVP is doing his job i.e scoring and creating goals. wtf is our defenders doing? defending? definetly not
 
with Chels dropping 2pts , Liverpool n Newsc both dropped 3pts as shocking as it may look tomorrow match with a draw is a very good step up. The pressure is always their at home I hope to see some fire in the gunner`s belly on the pitch. 2-1 win will be a massive bonus just can`t see a clean sheet regardless who we play :COAT:
 
We never get points when the ones around us lose them. Two or three times this season it has happened and we have lost :((

I just hope we play well and the players give everything today and I will be happy, even happier if we win of course :))
 
I just can't believe it, what the hell Wenger thought when he subbed off
Oxlade-Chamberlain for Arshavin. Tell me anything but I blame Wenger for
this defeat, I could see us winning that game without that change.
 
Wenger has lost the plot completely. he took off one of our best players for Ashavin and guess who cost us the goal.

Yup ashavin. time and time again Wenger makes daft stupid decisions during a match that has cost us.

top 4 finish? your having a laugh mr wenger.
 
Last time I checked Arshavin wasn't a left back... or is he?

It's simplifying too much to blame only one guy for the 2nd goal. There is something very wrong with Arsenal, regardless of full back crisis or what have you... There were some 6 or 7 Arsenal defenders in that box who just watched the whole exchange of passes and allowed Wellbeck come from behind and have that shot.

This Arsenal defence, it has to be said again, is hopeless as a group. Very good individual quality there (Vermaelen, Koscielny was fantastic today) but they just cannot defend as a team.

Djourou as right back was a joke again. Nani's pace was just too much for him.

But all of that, once again, is down to the manager. Awful mistake to play Djourou as RB, I'd prefer having the young Yennaris from the start. And I'm one more fan who was angry to see our most dangerous player being subbed. The Ox got his so much deserved start and responded in a fantastic way! But when he was on the top of his game, looking more dangerous than ever, he got subbed.
Theo didn't do nothing worthy of note.

Wenger looks completely clueless right now. In matches like these it's hard to disagree with the anti-Wenger crowd.
 
At least you managed to injure 2 of us ;)

Thought a draw would have been fair. You were horrible in the first half, but better in the second. United didn't create much, but largely down to lots of midfield congestion from Arsenal.

Pretty subdued tbh.
 
Yeah Man United were the best in the 1st half and us in the second mostly.

The Ox substitution was the strangest decision I have ever seen, I was bemused at why that sub was made?!

But to say Wenger has made bad decisions in games too many times is a great over reaction.

Both of their goals were through defensive mistakes, it does need to be sorted out, but it was always goign to be without proper fullbacks against Nani and Valencia.

to blame Arshavin for the second is silly as we had so many defenders standing in front of the player that scored, it was ridiculous.

Just can't understand why we couldn't play as well in the first half as we did in the second?

We had Man united on the ropes a little bit with The Ox creating the chances and then he is taken off for the horribly out of form Arshavin?....again that change made us lose momentum, there was a chance we could have capitalised on that period.

All in all I think we didn't do too bad against the 2nd team in the league and had a few chances to win the game really.

Oh well onwards and upwards.....hopefully.
 
as HRH King George IV would say: shit fuck shit shit fuck bollocks.
nothing has changed in this team. with an ever better CB and a world cup semi-finalist in the defence there was still panic and fragility.
you know what?! regardless of how much some defend Wenger, nobody can say that despite Arsenal being on a downwards trend for years, with the same recurring errors, he did his best about it. because he obviously didn't!
if you think about it, Spurs despite buying alot were in an upwards trend for some time, so this is a year where it all came together.
we're the opposite, going down and doing nothing about it.

The Ox is already looking more dangerous than Theo.

Bobby, remember games where changes were screaming to be made and Wenger just froze there waiting for miracles?
 
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as HRH King George IV would say: shit fuck shit shit fuck bollocks.
nothing has changed in this team. with an ever better CB and a world cup semi-finalist in the defence there was still panic and fragility.
you know what?! regardless of how much some defend Wenger, nobody can say that despite Arsenal being on a downwards trend for years, with the same recurring errors, he did his best about it. because he obviously didn't!
if you think about it, Spurs despite buying alot were in an upwards trend for some time, so this is a year where it all came together.
we're the opposite, going down and doing nothing about it.

The Ox is already looking more dangerous than Theo.
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I don't think he has done nothing about it and it has taken Spurs many years to get where they are now, I wouldn't take any comparison with them at all.

It can all change for Spurs like it did for us (And they haven't had the successfull spell we had at the end of 90's early 2000, If Modric leaves and Adebayor also, are they going to get the right players in to replace them?

Again it can change so quickly in this sport.

Teams have good and bad times, ups and downs. We are in the downs at the moment and Spurs are doing better than they have done for many many years. Who knows how long either will last?
 
The thing about Spurs is that they've built for the present. VdV, Adebayor is a loan, the defense and Parker are all at their peak - and won't be there for much longer. United and Arsenal have tried to build for the future, admittedly with varying degrees of success.
 
You guys are really suprised with that lost? Media keep talking about our full back problems...but really? its just another problem added to our of defensive problem we already have for the past years! Then you add the football we cant play anymore... the lack of goals from player other than RVP. the posession stats are 51-49 against MAN U! WE didnt do anything against a top team this season. we dont have the mental strenght or the experienced players to command a ball game for 90min.

we have a squad loaded with talented players, but we dont have any young talented player with hunger and mental strengh to win at the highest level. The only young player that come to mind that have this hunger is Wilshere. Ramsey still have alot to learn to be considered.

Yet! AGAIN AND AGAIN the goal this year to finish 4th! IMO SACK WENGER!
 
I feel sorry for Arshavin and ill tell you why.

1. He comes on the pictch to a chorus of boos. Now hes already out of form and prob low on confidence. Well now hes gonna be even more stressed and nervous.

2. Hes not a defensive player. Hes a skilled attacker.

So, really overall though Arshavin should not have come on that is Wengers fault. I think overall this will hit Arshavin even more and tbh its aint his fault because he should not have been on and in that position and the fnas boos etc....
 
Wenger has a reputation on being a day short n a £ less on transfers ,every winter we have injuries(defense) n every winter he gambles on red ! it`s time to bet on black n have a different problem like too many players to select.
 
I think the booing was not really for Arshavin, more for Wenger taking The Ox off.

But I feel there is a media campaign against Arshavin. Sky Sports was blaming him of singlehandedly gifting the goal, all the pundits talking shit and Gary bloody Neville talking nonsense. All cameras showing him after the goal... WTF? At the post match interview AW was asked "should Arshavin have done better there?"... stupid question just to try to make their editorial point.

Arshavin is in his all time low for sure, but again, it's simply stupid to make a scapegoat of him for such defensive shortcomings. He is a creative player who is terrible at marking, this is no news to anyone. Recently, whenever he plays the whole 90 minutes he always gets a yellow card for late challenges when trying to track back. He simply doesn't know how to mark, played his whole career as a second striker...

Disgraceful by Sky Sports IMO. English media seems to protect players from the National Team such as Walcott, at the expense of other guys like Arshavin. Walcott's omission from the game is something nobody mentioned in the broadcast but totally affected Arsenal's performance. No darting runs behind the defence, no creation, didn't put a single cross... useless for the whole 90 minutes! Capello was watching, Theo! Shame on you... Totally outshined by the Ox. Maybe now Capello is thinking about taking Chamberlain to Euro2012 instead of Theo. I know I would.

Ramsey had a shocker too. Djourou, Song was very poor... damn, even RVP missed a sitter! Not our day, for the 3rd consecutive round...

PS: RVP looked rightly pissed off when he saw The Ox was being subbed. Wenger admitted making a "tactical" mistake.
 
Rentboy said:
I think the booing was not really for Arshavin, more for Wenger taking The Ox off.

But I feel there is a media campaign against Arshavin. Sky Sports was blaming him of singlehandedly gifting the goal, all the pundits talking shit and Gary bloody Neville talking nonsense. All cameras showing him after the goal... WTF? At the post match interview AW was asked "should Arshavin have done better there?"... stupid question just to try to make their editorial point.

Arshavin is in his all time low for sure, but again, it's simply stupid to make a scapegoat of him for such defensive shortcomings. He is a creative player who is terrible at marking, this is no news to anyone. Recently, whenever he plays the whole 90 minutes he always gets a yellow card for late challenges when trying to track back. He simply doesn't know how to mark, played his whole career as a second striker...

Disgraceful by Sky Sports IMO. English media seems to protect players from the National Team such as Walcott, at the expense of other guys like Arshavin. Walcott's omission from the game is something nobody mentioned in the broadcast but totally affected Arsenal's performance. No darting runs behind the defence, no creation, didn't put a single cross... useless for the whole 90 minutes! Capello was watching, Theo! Shame on you... Totally outshined by the Ox. Maybe now Capello is thinking about taking Chamberlain to Euro2012 instead of Theo. I know I would.

Ramsey had a shocker too. Djourou, Song was very poor... damn, even RVP missed a sitter! Not our day, for the 3rd consecutive round...

PS: RVP looked rightly pissed off when he saw The Ox was being subbed. Wenger admitted making a "tactical" mistake.
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Yeh im sure its for wenger but put yourself in arshavins shoes.

1. You feel nervous cause you havent been playing well for ages

2. You come on fans are booing at the substitution desicion (even if you realise not you personally you are still gonna feel the atmosphere of the boos on you. It is also at you as the boos are saying the other player was better youve put on a crap player or player who shouldnt be on.)

Add these together and you put an already mentally fragile out of sorts player in an even worse mental state. Imagine walking on a picth and you have 50,000 fans booing!! Expect to play well?

Anyway Arshavin is a creative attacker. Put Van persie in his position for the Wellbeck goal would RVP have defended much better? Well at least RVP has physical size. SO you have a small tiny creative attacker in a left backs position for the goal..

Overall, I just feel sorry For the little Russian lol...It couldnt have gone worse for him personally!
 
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