Arsenal Thread

gerd said:
What did i predict..if Olympiakos would loose, you would blame the ref...

My favourite team also played tonight, they lost 2-0 against Leverkusen. The second goal was a deflected ball in injury time. Before that, they had some chance to equalise, but they didn't...Leverkusen dserved that win. Football is about respect for the adversary. Respect is alos about accepting defeat with grace...right from the start you behaved like a clown in this thread. Thanks to you i've lost all sympathy for Olympiakos. Well done...
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Gerd, off topic, but what do you think of Ogunjimi? :)

Rentboy said:
Even so, our rage against Arsenal's medical staff is justified, don't you think?
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I don't think so mate. I think our rage is with our team's performance and how we have regressed really in a summer where our player intake was exceedingly high, yet not all that resonant. We use the frustrations of our injuries to channel that, but really, while we have it bad, the league leaders, United, are worse off. But what's the difference? When they lost Vidic and Rio, they brought in Jones and Smalling, who did as good, if not better, of a job. The real fucking kicker though? We both bid for these players only to be turned down. Why? Because they knew they would achieve more success at United. For Jones, begin a Lancashire boy, it was always going to be United if they wanted him.

Someone made a comparision of the panic buys that Graham made in his last season, and time will only tell if that was true of Wenger's buys too. Personally, of the deadline buys, I think Arteta is a good buy, Mert is not, Santos is ok, Park can be decent, and Benayoun is filler.

Rather than Benayoun, I wish we had moved forward on the deals for both Cazorla and Mata which were so advanced but scuppered when Wenger wanted to wait on the fate of Cesc and Nasri. Why? He had to know they'd go! Even if he had an emotional connection to bringing in and shaping these players, which is fully understandable, someone on the board with balls should have said something. As it is, the Qatari-funded Spaniards and Chelski came in, respectively, and got what could have been ours. And look now, Cazorla is probably going to lead Malaga to a top 6 finish (I think he's scored 4 already) and Mata has added pace and liveliness to Chelsea's game, scoring goals and making assists, while gradually getting the best out of Torres. While the Arsenal, of course, lost a living legend as good as both of them as he shows how fucking stupid the people who thought he wasn't good enough for Barca are.

BUT...good win yesterday! Results are all that matter right now. Hopefully the big performance comes on Sunday. :)
 
Ogunjimi: his match yesterday is typical for him, a hard worker, but a poor finisher.
Vossen at a very poor match yesterday and De Bruyne should not have played after 7 weeks out with injury.
Genk have a young team, but the CL is just above their weight
 
STR said:
I don't think so mate. I think our rage is with our team's performance and how we have regressed really in a summer where our player intake was exceedingly high, yet not all that resonant. We use the frustrations of our injuries to channel that, but really, while we have it bad, the league leaders, United, are worse off. But what's the difference? When they lost Vidic and Rio, they brought in Jones and Smalling, who did as good, if not better, of a job. The real fucking kicker though? We both bid for these players only to be turned down. Why? Because they knew they would achieve more success at United. For Jones, begin a Lancashire boy, it was always going to be United if they wanted him.

Someone made a comparision of the panic buys that Graham made in his last season, and time will only tell if that was true of Wenger's buys too. Personally, of the deadline buys, I think Arteta is a good buy, Mert is not, Santos is ok, Park can be decent, and Benayoun is filler.

Rather than Benayoun, I wish we had moved forward on the deals for both Cazorla and Mata which were so advanced but scuppered when Wenger wanted to wait on the fate of Cesc and Nasri. Why? He had to know they'd go! Even if he had an emotional connection to bringing in and shaping these players, which is fully understandable, someone on the board with balls should have said something. As it is, the Qatari-funded Spaniards and Chelski came in, respectively, and got what could have been ours. And look now, Cazorla is probably going to lead Malaga to a top 6 finish (I think he's scored 4 already) and Mata has added pace and liveliness to Chelsea's game, scoring goals and making assists, while gradually getting the best out of Torres. While the Arsenal, of course, lost a living legend as good as both of them as he shows how fucking stupid the people who thought he wasn't good enough for Barca are.

BUT...good win yesterday! Results are all that matter right now. Hopefully the big performance comes on Sunday. :)
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Of course everyone suffers from bad luck and Man United has loads in their injury list right now. But when I say I'm mad at our phisios and medical staff is that at Arsenal, injuries seem to last for much longer. With other teams you don't see a Rosicky injury - which was muscular - lasting for almost 2 seasons like it did. United had Hargreaves, but then again, in Arsenal we were deprived of Vermaelen, RVP and now Wilshire. I still think there's something wrong in the way they are treated and prepared for full match fitness.

I know this transfer window didn't work out the way we needed. Phil Jones snubbed us to go to Manchester, but then again, Oxlade-Chamberlain had bids from Liverpool and United, but chose us instead.
The real kick in the nuts for me is seeing Mata in a Chelski uniform waltzing through opposition defences and ripping them apart with his agile movement and dribbling and wonderful passing abilities. He's a fantastic player, no doubt about it. That was one player we actually had a chance to sign and Arsenal cocked things up. Arsenal is usually right doing things quietly, especially now that lots of other clubs have more money than us. But this one went way too public... and then what happens is that clubs run by sugar daddies lean on Wenger's knowledge and get there with loads of cash. The same goes for City tapping up Nasri. So, in this scenario, unfortunatelly we cannot have it our way on most occasions.
But I do agree with you that the Mata deal should've been sorted before August and we could have paid what Valencia wanted before, as he seems worth every penny.
As for our late signings, they might be panic buying, but all of them were needed. Unlike you, I think Mertesacker was the best signing of the bunch, alongside Arteta. A 26 year old with that kind of experience is priceless. Just imagine us yesterday without Mert! All of our CBs are injured. Who would've paired with Song? Probably we would have to use one inexperienced Miquel. Anyways, I rate Per highly and expect good things to come our way again :)
 
Spurs have had Ledley King, Darren Anderton that spring to mind. Man United have had Hargreaves. Lots of teams have players out for a few months of the season and much longer and have niggling injures through it. Gerrard for Liverpool, Essien for Chelsea. (Many more I can't remember off the top of my head)

We just have happened to have a few strung together.

Rosicky had a strange problem and was sent to many specialists and they couldn't determine exactly what was wrong?

Van Persie has had injuries on different parts of his feet/legs so wasn't just a reacuring injury, he just kept getting injured.

Vermaelen was another one that had a problem that was hard to predict and treat, do you think they wouldn't have paid for him to see specialists and to see other doctors to treat him?

Wilshere has had a fracture when he was younger and has suffered from this now, he could be out for 5 months, which they seem to have tried to treat correctly? so I don't know how it is the Arsenal medical teams fault?

Diaby got his leg broken and hasn't been the same and has reacuring injuries because of this. Same happened to Eduardo.

Ramsey will probably suffer aswell because of his break.

Unfortunately when players get bad injuries it weakens them and they become more fragile. You can do your very best to treat them, but all it takes is a bad/strong challenge an awkward fall etc to trigger off another injury.

To think Arsenal are the only team that suffer from alot of injuries is wrong. Spurs have suffered from alot of injuries over the last few years, same with Man United etc

Maybe it just shows up with Arsenal more because we haven't had the stength in our sqaud to deal with the injuries.....but that is another question altogether :DD

I also think it is the players fault aswell, I think Van Persie admitted he said he was ready a couple of times, when he knew he wasn't fully because he was frustrated at being out for so long, it seems the same with Wilshere now. Players need to take responsibility aswell and tell the truth or they will get rushed back.
 
I think it`s Wenger that didnt buy, because Vermaelen wud be back and never did last season during the winter transfers. Think Wenger puts a date that seems to be extended a few days that turns to a few weeks.

I have no confidence when Wenger says a player wud be back then doesnt. I blame medical department only because Wenger says one thing n medical staff says another. Almost like Wenger is saying I`m not to blame w/o saying it. abt NLD I hope we play our best away match and play w/ lots of pressure.
 
gerd said:
Ogunjimi: his match yesterday is typical for him, a hard worker, but a poor finisher.
Vossen at a very poor match yesterday and De Bruyne should not have played after 7 weeks out with injury.
Genk have a young team, but the CL is just above their weight
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I saw him in the first game against Valencia and thought he put himself about well. He's got a good international goal-scoring record, something like 4 goals in 5 games.

Belgium look like they have a bright future with Verm, Kompany, Hazard, Verthognen(sp), Fellaini and Lukaku. Always a favourite team to play with on PES. Wish you the best against Turkey.
 
BobbyBox said:
Spurs have had Ledley King, Darren Anderton that spring to mind. Man United have had Hargreaves. Lots of teams have players out for a few months of the season and much longer and have niggling injures through it. Gerrard for Liverpool, Essien for Chelsea. (Many more I can't remember off the top of my head)

We just have happened to have a few strung together.

Rosicky had a strange problem and was sent to many specialists and they couldn't determine exactly what was wrong?

Van Persie has had injuries on different parts of his feet/legs so wasn't just a reacuring injury, he just kept getting injured.

Vermaelen was another one that had a problem that was hard to predict and treat, do you think they wouldn't have paid for him to see specialists and to see other doctors to treat him?

Wilshere has had a fracture when he was younger and has suffered from this now, he could be out for 5 months, which they seem to have tried to treat correctly? so I don't know how it is the Arsenal medical teams fault?

Diaby got his leg broken and hasn't been the same and has reacuring injuries because of this. Same happened to Eduardo.

Ramsey will probably suffer aswell because of his break.

Unfortunately when players get bad injuries it weakens them and they become more fragile. You can do your very best to treat them, but all it takes is a bad/strong challenge an awkward fall etc to trigger off another injury.

To think Arsenal are the only team that suffer from alot of injuries is wrong. Spurs have suffered from alot of injuries over the last few years, same with Man United etc

Maybe it just shows up with Arsenal more because we haven't had the stength in our sqaud to deal with the injuries.....but that is another question altogether :DD

I also think it is the players fault aswell, I think Van Persie admitted he said he was ready a couple of times, when he knew he wasn't fully because he was frustrated at being out for so long, it seems the same with Wilshere now. Players need to take responsibility aswell and tell the truth or they will get rushed back.
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Agree with all of this. In Serie A, we hadn't won in the first 3 games. We were missing the following players: Ibrahimovic, Robinho, Taiwo, Boateng, Pato Ambrosini, Gattuso, Inzaghi and Mexes. 5/6 are starting players. These things happen every season and is not worth blaming. We won our first game last week and now things are looking up again.
 
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I also tend to agree with Bobby. I remember a season where Chelsea had loads of injuries. On top of that Van Persie and Vermaelen had their (long) injuries while playing with the national team...

It happens at all clubs and so i think it must be a problem in football and with the mentality of the players. It is a fact that training methods in football are comparatively backwards if you compare them to other sports like cycling and athletics. There is not enough scientific approach in football.

The question is: does this prevent injuries...Stef is mentioning all the injured Milan players and they have their revolutionary Milan lab...maybe it's just a coïncidence.
 
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Just watched goal 2 on tv. How could we let a 2-0 lead go in the last 5 minutes of the champs league final against Real Madrid! :LOL:

Was nice to see Henry, Pires, Ljundberg etc though....ah those were the days!
 
COME ON ARSENAL!!! :DD

I really hope they do us proud today, a draw would be lovely....a win would be GGGGGRRRREEEAAAAATTTTT! I just hope we don't lose and if we do not badly.
 
Well you didn't lose badly but you still lost, into 15th now, what you lot reckon is a realistic target? I think 6th would be the most realistic.
 
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Well you didn't lose badly but you still lost, into 15th now, what you lot reckon is a realistic target? I think 6th would be the most realistic.
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I thought we played ok today, especially considering how much people are licking Spurs arses this season and we are supposed to be oh so hopeless!

I thought overall it was pretty even, their handball goal was ridiculous but it was bad defending once again, but how the ref or linesman didn't see it is quite bad and then running off to celebrate, people saying it should have been a second yellow, but I hate that rule anyway...but to the letter of the law he should have been sent off.

It's still early in the season to predict finishing places, why is 6th most realistic? don't understand that.

Do people really think that Spurs are that much better than us? on that performance I would say it was pretty even, especially considering they were at home?

Anyway, we have a few games that we need to win before we play Chelsea away! so hopefully we can get a bit of momentum going before that match.
 
So there was the blatant hand ball goal, but I can't say Arsenal really deserved it. Those guys didn't GO FOR IT you know? We completely dominated the match for some brief 15 minutes in the 2nd half and that was that. We didn't profit enough from it, only got our equaliser and halted all that pressure.

As long as they play this bloody tippy-tappy and refuse to shoot on goal, it's a torture to watch for me. Our goal was from 3 yards, as expected. But when it comes to really be incisive and take our chances, we cocked it up as usual.

They shoot from outside the box, we don't. There's your result. SCSZ was fantastic, but sometimes all it takes is one well placed shot on target to get a keeper off guard. Arsenal, on the other hand, didn't test Friedel. This team DOES NOT SHOOT.

Even when Mert was up front they couldn't get one single long pass to his head. Even in injury time they looked as if they wanted to pass it inside their net, as if they would be able to, after 90 minutes trying that.
Pathetic and frustrating from Arsenal.
 
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It's still early in the season to predict finishing places, why is 6th most realistic? don't understand that.
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Honestly Bobby, I think Spurs are better than Arsenal, and probably better than Liverpool as well. Tottenham have been brilliant since Adebayor and Parker additions, especially against Pool where they dominated the entire match (note that Spurs were already outplaying the Reds even before the first sent off). So imo this game doesn't represent the whole pic about Tottenham, I didn't like them today to be honest. And you lot have been great though!
 
The_Special_One said:
Honestly Bobby, I think Spurs are better than Arsenal, and probably better than Liverpool as well. Tottenham have been brilliant since Adebayor and Parker additions, especially against Pool where they dominated the entire match (note that Spurs were already outplaying the Reds even before the first sent off). So imo this game doesn't represent the whole pic about Tottenham, I didn't like them today to be honest. And you lot have been great though!
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That's fine I respect that, they do look good. But I think people are talking about them abit too early. I can remember at least another couple of seasons when Spurs were supposed to be better than us and were going to over take us...and they never did. (although this start to the season is like nothing else)

They can and they do have the team to do it, but it is sooooo early to judge in my opinion.

I really don't think Liverpool are looking good at all, our Arsenal team were more than a match for them in the game they beat us in before we had the man sent off and that was with a very depleted team.

I just don't like how many people are completely writing us off, like we are the worse team anybody has ever seen! I think we will get better and better throughout the season, especially when Verms is back. Only worry for me is if Van Persie gets injured we don't have another quality striker at the moment.

Anyway we will see at the end of the season, I just hope Arsenal can prove me right :DD
 
Dont mind a panic buy in the winter transfer ONLY if it makes sense ! top quality player 35m stuff! Wenger rather spend big on attacking players. I know still early. :))
 
That was not an handball, he took the ball with his chest...not with his hand, but i'm afraid we'll agree to disagree on that.
To be honest, i don't think the difference was that big...But another GK error caused a defeat, where a point would have been deserved.

Parker was immense for Spurs and a player that i like more and more is Song.

PS: who is that Cocquelin, where does he come from? He was quite good imo. I still think Arsenal will finish higher than Spurs...
 
gerd said:
That was not an handball, he took the ball with his chest...not with his hand, but i'm afraid we'll agree to disagree on that.
To be honest, i don't think the difference was that big...But another GK error caused a defeat, where a point would have been deserved.

Parker was immense for Spurs and a player that i like more and more is Song.

PS: who is that Cocquelin, where does he come from? He was quite good imo. I still think Arsenal will finish higher than Spurs...
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I find it hard to see how anybody seeing that can't agree it was a handball, for the ball to fall to his feet like that at the angle he was at and the way the ball came in, there is no doubt that the ball was helped heavily by the use of his arm, therefore being a handball.

Anyway as you say, we will have to agree to disagree on that :DD

I think Scez is such a strong keeper, I think it would be harsh to put him in the same mistake bracket as Alumnia and Fabianski. Mistakes are made by the best keepers, just make sure he doesn't make many :))

Song is great and in coquelin and Frimpong we have another two really promising midfielders and defensively minded aswell which is what we need.

Parker is a great player also and I am dissapointed we didn't go in for him.
 
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Rentboy said:
Sagna out for 3 months with a broken fibula :SHOCK:
http://football-talk.co.uk/41928/reports-sagna-out-for-3-months-after-breaking-fibula/

... and 3 months of Jenkinson
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I would really strongly consider putting Coquelin there. His hard work merits it and he played at right back a few times for Lorient last season.

He had another solid performance after being one of the few to salvage any dignity in the United defeat (I told you he's better than Frimpong). By all accounts, he was great against Shrewsbury too.

We're scheduled to get Verm back after the break so with Song back in his original position, and Frim providing cover, I like how that sets up.

Coq has way more experience and looks far more assured than Jenkinson, who really does not need to be thrown into the deep end like this. He's just not good enough yet.


On another note, I am really starting to worry about Ramsey. He's certainly not the same player after his injury. He's lost that few yards of acceleration that makes it very hard for him to cope as the furthest forward of our midfield three. I think Jack's presence would behoove him because he is built to play where Arteta is now. Currently, he tries to do much when he has the ball and fucked up so many simple passes today, despite the goal. He's trying to play like Wilshere. And he just simply isn't as good as him. Probably never will be, sadly. Fucking Shawcross.
 
I think Ramsey is over the injury but more to do w/ trying to do too much. I agree a simple touch would be enough but he does that turn w/o having the fabregas - vision. I remember Song would get the ball then square it back almost like he was too nervous and today he can dribble around players. Difference is Song has Diaby where Ramsey has Jack... Jack`s progression had a perfect loan start and worked a whole season. While Ramsey progression took a slow start so actually Ramsey is just a tad ahead of Alex OC maybe?.!
 
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I think Ramsey is over the injury but more to do w/ trying to do too much.
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You can be physically over an injury but something as deveastating as what Ramsey went through can impact your career forever. Eduardo and Diaby are two examples of this at the very club. Really sad. I do wish Aaron the best of course.
 
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