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Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/03/07)
The PES6 faces were taken from photos though.
The PES6 faces were taken from photos though.
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WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread
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Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/03/07)
5. Teamvision : He noticed difference in strategy and said that the CPU adapts to your style . No more stupid or illogical moves by CPU (at least almost) and they really do learn from mistakes. If you win the home game in a cup match and CPU played with one striker, they will come at you with 2 or 3 strikers during return game. CPU switches in strategy aswell (long ball, counter, pressure, etc)
6. No Bundesliga or lower leagues, he did however notice 22-25 slots coloured black when choosing a team. Probably empty slots for new teams.
7. He would give nothing away about the big surprise….Guess we still have to speculate…
8. Passing is much better. Players handle the passes better, more lifelike. If they fumble a ball, they do their best to regain it with awesome tackling. Shooting has improved aswell and turning too.
5. Teamvision : He noticed difference in strategy and said that the CPU adapts to your style . No more stupid or illogical moves by CPU (at least almost) and they really do learn from mistakes. If you win the home game in a cup match and CPU played with one striker, they will come at you with 2 or 3 strikers during return game. CPU switches in strategy aswell (long ball, counter, pressure, etc)
6. No Bundesliga or lower leagues, he did however notice 22-25 slots coloured black when choosing a team. Probably empty slots for new teams.
7. He would give nothing away about the big surprise….Guess we still have to speculate…
8. Passing is much better. Players handle the passes better, more lifelike. If they fumble a ball, they do their best to regain it with awesome tackling. Shooting has improved aswell and turning too.
jord@n
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Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/03/07)
I think knoami are being lazy with the grass actually, ive changed my mind, as soon as you go low down on the camera the quality of the grass is good for about 3 cm's, then its all flat.
I think knoami are being lazy with the grass actually, ive changed my mind, as soon as you go low down on the camera the quality of the grass is good for about 3 cm's, then its all flat.
TikTikTikTikTik
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Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/03/07)
Im sure its more to do with what beta version these guys are playing (people have had 75% beta's, other have had 85% beta's). Last year the earlier beta pics from pes6 360 had flat grass, yet the later ones had it in 3d (even when down low). Either way does anybody really care what the grass looks like at that angle?! Nobody will look at it from there anyway. The only time it happend in pes6 was with kickoff when the camera would zoom into the boots and ball in the centre circle and you could see the 3d effect.
Overall the grass looks surprisingly decent, you only have to check the ps2 version of j-league to see they still havent realised that pitches arent mown by a drunken groundsman swaying back and forth to create jaggies.
Im sure its more to do with what beta version these guys are playing (people have had 75% beta's, other have had 85% beta's). Last year the earlier beta pics from pes6 360 had flat grass, yet the later ones had it in 3d (even when down low). Either way does anybody really care what the grass looks like at that angle?! Nobody will look at it from there anyway. The only time it happend in pes6 was with kickoff when the camera would zoom into the boots and ball in the centre circle and you could see the 3d effect.
Overall the grass looks surprisingly decent, you only have to check the ps2 version of j-league to see they still havent realised that pitches arent mown by a drunken groundsman swaying back and forth to create jaggies.
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Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/03/07)
That "Blomfentein" stadium's pitch (or whatever it's called) has been included since PES3 or 4 and has literally given me headaches before now. Big fuck-off plough lines all over the pitch, how the hell have they left that in for so long...
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TikTikTikTikTik
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Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/03/07)
I think its more to do with "physically" placing a picture into the game to create the content. First you would have to either take all the pictures yourself, or come to arrangements with the copyright holder of the original image. And then you might possibly also end up with the image rights of individual players (kahn going to court springs to mind). I think thats why they would just reproduce the content through artists instead of the "insert photomap mode".
Although seeing as they have the FIFpro license to reproduce players they could possible just use their photo's. Although an annoying problem with that is seen in fifa07, where half your players in the squad/player info screen doesnt have an actual picture and is just a black siloutte. Makes the game feel unfinished imo, when you have a gerrard pic, but not a crouch one.
I think its more to do with "physically" placing a picture into the game to create the content. First you would have to either take all the pictures yourself, or come to arrangements with the copyright holder of the original image. And then you might possibly also end up with the image rights of individual players (kahn going to court springs to mind). I think thats why they would just reproduce the content through artists instead of the "insert photomap mode".
Although seeing as they have the FIFpro license to reproduce players they could possible just use their photo's. Although an annoying problem with that is seen in fifa07, where half your players in the squad/player info screen doesnt have an actual picture and is just a black siloutte. Makes the game feel unfinished imo, when you have a gerrard pic, but not a crouch one.
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Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/03/07)
LOL, i thought about that yesterday when i played on JLWE2007CC.
if that pitch makes it into pes2008 then i will be really suprised.
LOL, i thought about that yesterday when i played on JLWE2007CC.
if that pitch makes it into pes2008 then i will be really suprised.
NickSCFC
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Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/03/07)
That Seabass pic doesn't look realistic either though.
What the face scanning simply does is assesses your face parts, ie it scans your nose and converts it into PES face attributes.
So it scanned Seabass' face and came up with for instance...
Skin colour: 4
Nose shape: 12
Nose length: 3
Nose width: 5
Nose distance from mouth: 2
etc...
And made a face, and if you made a face from scratch, and put in the very same numbers, you'd get what looks like Seabass, the same results you got from the photo.
That Seabass pic doesn't look realistic either though.
What the face scanning simply does is assesses your face parts, ie it scans your nose and converts it into PES face attributes.
So it scanned Seabass' face and came up with for instance...
Skin colour: 4
Nose shape: 12
Nose length: 3
Nose width: 5
Nose distance from mouth: 2
etc...
And made a face, and if you made a face from scratch, and put in the very same numbers, you'd get what looks like Seabass, the same results you got from the photo.
TikTikTikTikTik
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Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/03/07)
I renamed that stadium to "Dont Use". And then reconfigured each teams' stadium. That got rid of that bitch of a stadium/pitch. Although i did find that i always had some more difficulty winning on that pitch, but that was more to do with not being able to see the ball properly then the opposition.
Glad the nextgen has removed the jaggy lines though, that really pissed/s me off when artist cant even get such an important, and simple element, correct. Yet you have one look at what the stadium editors do and you can see how much better the game looks with a pitch with straight lines. I cant understand how they continue with those ridiculous black/white texture files. Lazyness I guess, bit like the ML
Speaking of stadiums, has the stadium been recognised from the ronaldo kicking pics? Cant remember that one being in pes6 and i guess it looks like benfica's stadium, if i remember correctly.
I renamed that stadium to "Dont Use". And then reconfigured each teams' stadium. That got rid of that bitch of a stadium/pitch. Although i did find that i always had some more difficulty winning on that pitch, but that was more to do with not being able to see the ball properly then the opposition.
Glad the nextgen has removed the jaggy lines though, that really pissed/s me off when artist cant even get such an important, and simple element, correct. Yet you have one look at what the stadium editors do and you can see how much better the game looks with a pitch with straight lines. I cant understand how they continue with those ridiculous black/white texture files. Lazyness I guess, bit like the ML
Speaking of stadiums, has the stadium been recognised from the ronaldo kicking pics? Cant remember that one being in pes6 and i guess it looks like benfica's stadium, if i remember correctly.
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Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/03/07)
It's really stupid to have subs sitting on the bench not even following the match and not moving like a statue unless he has to warm up
jord@n
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Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/02/07)
Proof :
Rebook are in there, hope for nike/ adidas balls look dim Well there are probably a few Adidas balls.
Proof :
Rebook are in there, hope for nike/ adidas balls look dim
Well there are probably a few Adidas balls.
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Beatts
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Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/03/07)
No mate the scanning is just applying a texture to an existing model. Look closer at this pic.
Unfortunatly its not the same system tiger woods uses where it gereates a 3d model. It's more like the system used in the Tony Hawk Games THUG2? i think.
No mate the scanning is just applying a texture to an existing model. Look closer at this pic.
Unfortunatly its not the same system tiger woods uses where it gereates a 3d model. It's more like the system used in the Tony Hawk Games THUG2? i think.
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NickSCFC
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Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/03/07)
Which was the 1st Konami footie game where players could turn their heads to look at the ball?
Which was the 1st Konami footie game where players could turn their heads to look at the ball?
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/03/07)
Wrong.. look at the creases on the eyes. It's taken from the photo.
Wrong.. look at the creases on the eyes. It's taken from the photo.
Doubla R
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Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/03/07)
Yup, he's right, is applying a texture, look at the wrinkles on the eye, it's identical, I don't think the game has an eye option that happened to be identical to Seabass's eye, also, look at the moustache, I don't think the game has a moustache that looks exaclty like Seabass. It is a texture.
Yup, he's right, is applying a texture, look at the wrinkles on the eye, it's identical, I don't think the game has an eye option that happened to be identical to Seabass's eye, also, look at the moustache, I don't think the game has a moustache that looks exaclty like Seabass. It is a texture.
NickSCFC
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Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/03/07)
I see it now with the way his upper left eyelid is creased diffeently than the left.
It must create a 3D nose based on his outline, it's not like they'd build a face, and then just stretch a textures map over it.
No mate the scanning is just applying a texture to an existing model. Look closer at this pic.
Unfortunatly its not the same system tiger woods uses where it gereates a 3d model.
I see it now with the way his upper left eyelid is creased diffeently than the left.
It must create a 3D nose based on his outline, it's not like they'd build a face, and then just stretch a textures map over it.
Beatts
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Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/03/07)
The bad thing about this is if the eyes are a texture how do they blink or show emotion.
The bad thing about this is if the eyes are a texture how do they blink or show emotion.
Beatts
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Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/03/07)
LOL thats exactly how it works!
LOL thats exactly how it works!
Doubla R
Argentina
- 13 April 2005
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/03/07)
That I have no idea, I really don't know how all that is going to work.. Hopefully they came up with something that will give the face an expression
That I have no idea, I really don't know how all that is going to work.. Hopefully they came up with something that will give the face an expression
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djdoc
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Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/03/07)
Because it will have recognition of some description....
Because it will have recognition of some description....
EPG
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Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/03/07)
guys i dunno if u noticed this but on the drogba pic vs turkey theres a puma logo on drogba's captain arm band....so this makes me think that puma is licensed, or we can add logos even on the cap arm band using the edit mode.
guys i dunno if u noticed this but on the drogba pic vs turkey theres a puma logo on drogba's captain arm band....so this makes me think that puma is licensed, or we can add logos even on the cap arm band using the edit mode.
NickSCFC
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Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/03/07)
But it does build a 3D nose to match the shape of your nose etc?
LOL thats exactly how it works!
But it does build a 3D nose to match the shape of your nose etc?
NickSCFC
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Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/03/07)
Doesn't matter who makes the kits, if the club is licenced their kitmaker's badge comes with it.
No, it's like the England armband in PES6 had an England badge in it.
Doesn't matter who makes the kits, if the club is licenced their kitmaker's badge comes with it.
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/03/07)
I don't really understand what you mean ,all I'm saying it'd be better if the bench was alive that's simple .
I don't really understand what you mean ,all I'm saying it'd be better if the bench was alive that's simple .
NickSCFC
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Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/03/07)
You can tell the seabass face shapes have been matched in 3D, look at how it's lit from the lft.
You can tell the seabass face shapes have been matched in 3D, look at how it's lit from the lft.
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