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Kenny M
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Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/05/07)
are the shadows in the pes image just the strategy buttons?
are the shadows in the pes image just the strategy buttons?
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/05/07)
Yes, you would expect better defending from the superstar player, Ranow, when up against superstars Lujimano and Jaromton... Or superstar Heycory against superstar Marsatto.
On second thought, why have I never heard of these superstar players?
Yes, you would expect better defending from the superstar player, Ranow, when up against superstars Lujimano and Jaromton... Or superstar Heycory against superstar Marsatto.
On second thought, why have I never heard of these superstar players?
pjft
Public Service Optimism
- 23 June 2003
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/05/07)
Just wanted to point out one thing that came to my mind when someone here suggested that the game was on easy setting...
We'll never know, and I don't think that it matters that much: only in the final product will we be able to tell if the AI is crap or not.
What made me give this apparently innocent suggestion a second look is something that maybe old-timers will recall. One of the first PS2 Winning Elevens was presented through some short videos, which were goal replays... I sincerely can't remember if it was 5, 6, 7 or 8, and I can't find those videos anywhere... Still, I clearly remember a video where the players did like 20 passes - mostly first touch and back-heels - and the ball would eventually end up in the feet of a striker inside the goal area and he'd just push the ball inside the goal... I believe that they were the Japanese National Team. The thing was that in that clip the defenders would almost stay put, they wouldn't move at all... I recall people complaining that "the game was going to suck, the AI would be crap, etc." and the truth was that, if memory ain't tricking me, they had shot those films on the easy difficulty setting.
Freak out when you actually play it. Also, the Teamvision thingie will also affect your players with off-the-ball movement.
And even though I do agree that the beta builds should have TeamVision AI implemented to some degree, what is it all about, really? It's just a different, more thorough and detailed implementation of a similar intended behaviour: smart players on the field
So really, I don't think that you'd be able to tell if the betas are using the new or the older AI from just a week of gaming...
Cheers,
Paulo Tavares
Just wanted to point out one thing that came to my mind when someone here suggested that the game was on easy setting...
We'll never know, and I don't think that it matters that much: only in the final product will we be able to tell if the AI is crap or not.
What made me give this apparently innocent suggestion a second look is something that maybe old-timers will recall. One of the first PS2 Winning Elevens was presented through some short videos, which were goal replays... I sincerely can't remember if it was 5, 6, 7 or 8, and I can't find those videos anywhere... Still, I clearly remember a video where the players did like 20 passes - mostly first touch and back-heels - and the ball would eventually end up in the feet of a striker inside the goal area and he'd just push the ball inside the goal... I believe that they were the Japanese National Team. The thing was that in that clip the defenders would almost stay put, they wouldn't move at all... I recall people complaining that "the game was going to suck, the AI would be crap, etc." and the truth was that, if memory ain't tricking me, they had shot those films on the easy difficulty setting.
Freak out when you actually play it. Also, the Teamvision thingie will also affect your players with off-the-ball movement.
And even though I do agree that the beta builds should have TeamVision AI implemented to some degree, what is it all about, really? It's just a different, more thorough and detailed implementation of a similar intended behaviour: smart players on the field
So really, I don't think that you'd be able to tell if the betas are using the new or the older AI from just a week of gaming...Cheers,
Paulo Tavares
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Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/05/07)
Look at the differences.
Top picture has more options.
Top picture pause menu is practically touching the 'player bars'.
Top picture says 'Pause P1', bottom says 'Pause'.
Top picture has a darker, less visible radar.
Different player bars.
Top picture has no crowd.
etc etc.
There are a bunch of easily visible differences between the pictures.
Personally, I think the bottom picture is at a more advanced stage than the top.
.. or maybe the top picture is just the xbox version.
Look at the differences.
Top picture has more options.
Top picture pause menu is practically touching the 'player bars'.
Top picture says 'Pause P1', bottom says 'Pause'.
Top picture has a darker, less visible radar.
Different player bars.
Top picture has no crowd.
etc etc.
There are a bunch of easily visible differences between the pictures.
Personally, I think the bottom picture is at a more advanced stage than the top.
.. or maybe the top picture is just the xbox version.
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ProWeMan
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Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/05/07)
GUYS NOTICED SOMETHING : top picture has the ps symbols near the player name bars and the bottom none ... different version ??
GUYS NOTICED SOMETHING : top picture has the ps symbols near the player name bars and the bottom none ... different version ??
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/05/07)
I think that's just a logo as the pics came from a playstation mag. Just like the bottom picture says CVG.
I think that's just a logo as the pics came from a playstation mag. Just like the bottom picture says CVG.
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ProWeMan
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Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/05/07)
no mate look closely near the player name bars not the coloured logo ... they r like invisible
no mate look closely near the player name bars not the coloured logo ... they r like invisible
Trance_Allstar
I love lamp
- 18 March 2006
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/05/07)
Yeah, the differences are too many to be of the exact same "game". Some designs are very different and such. These are things that will most likely be the same for most next-gen versions, since the graphical designers will most likely look to give the games some unity and collective looks. Obviously some options on the menu etc could differ, but to me the version that will have the most "ought" to be the PC version, where you would have separate menus for screen resolution, color depth etc.
Yeah, the differences are too many to be of the exact same "game". Some designs are very different and such. These are things that will most likely be the same for most next-gen versions, since the graphical designers will most likely look to give the games some unity and collective looks. Obviously some options on the menu etc could differ, but to me the version that will have the most "ought" to be the PC version, where you would have separate menus for screen resolution, color depth etc.
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ieatfanboysforbreakfast
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Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/05/07)
Why the hell would there be shaded out PS controls next to the name bar :S
Why the hell would there be shaded out PS controls next to the name bar :S
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/05/07)
for the different strategies you can set... center attack, right side, etc....
for the different strategies you can set... center attack, right side, etc....
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ProWeMan
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Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/05/07)
maybe u know when u press on ps2 when u choose a tactic u see example square near the name bars maybe this time instead of the button appering it just turns on ;-) from that logo
maybe u know when u press on ps2 when u choose a tactic u see example square near the name bars maybe this time instead of the button appering it just turns on ;-) from that logo
Beatts
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Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/05/07)
To me the top pic looks like a later build, the menu options are refined and there is actually a Camera Type setting, the explanation for the missing crowd could be that the 360 engine was used as a starting point and that the crowd are undergoing an overhall, the resolution on the players look much better also.
Also its the Addition of the P1 to the pause menu that makes me think this the most, i mean why on earth would they remove it?
Lol i just noticed how much the menus look like the one i faked up a few weeks back, konami might be spying on me!
To me the top pic looks like a later build, the menu options are refined and there is actually a Camera Type setting, the explanation for the missing crowd could be that the 360 engine was used as a starting point and that the crowd are undergoing an overhall, the resolution on the players look much better also.
Also its the Addition of the P1 to the pause menu that makes me think this the most, i mean why on earth would they remove it?
Lol i just noticed how much the menus look like the one i faked up a few weeks back, konami might be spying on me!
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ieatfanboysforbreakfast
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Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/05/07)
I agree, top one is definitely the later version. Graphics look better, but still so "injection moulded".
I agree, top one is definitely the later version. Graphics look better, but still so "injection moulded".
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/05/07)
I definetely think the bottom picture is at a later stage.
The radar is more visible and the pause menu isn't touching the player bars - they are the main reasons.
Beatts, maybe in system settings you can change the camera angle.. or is that completely wrong?
I definetely think the bottom picture is at a later stage.
The radar is more visible and the pause menu isn't touching the player bars - they are the main reasons.
Beatts, maybe in system settings you can change the camera angle.. or is that completely wrong?
SXFuzz
Championship
- 17 November 2001
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/05/07)
It's quite a shame that your menu still looks nicer.
To me the top pic looks like a later build, the menu options are refined and there is actually a Camera Type setting, the explanation for the missing crowd could be that the 360 engine was used as a starting point and that the crowd are undergoing an overhall, the resolution on the players look much better also.
Also its the Addition of the P1 to the pause menu that makes me think this the most, i mean why on earth would they remove it?
Lol i just noticed how much the menus look like the one i faked up a few weeks back, konami might be spying on me!
It's quite a shame that your menu still looks nicer.
ss4_goku
Premier League
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/05/07)
i say it's the top one that's more recent!! even though there are no crowds, but the more indepth menu choices and the P1 is the main reason why i believe that the top picture is more recent!! (sadly)
i say it's the top one that's more recent!! even though there are no crowds, but the more indepth menu choices and the P1 is the main reason why i believe that the top picture is more recent!! (sadly)
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Kenny M
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Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/05/07)
i also think it's the top one.
i also think it's the top one.
Beatts
Keep the faith...
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/05/07)
No mate i don't think so, when has camera angle been a system setting, its more of a game setting.
think of the plus points though, they must be making some pretty big changes graphicaly, thats only a good thing
I definetely think the bottom picture is at a later stage.
The radar is more visible and the pause menu isn't touching the player bars - they are the main reasons.
Beatts, maybe in system settings you can change the camera angle.. or is that completely wrong?
No mate i don't think so, when has camera angle been a system setting, its more of a game setting.
think of the plus points though, they must be making some pretty big changes graphicaly, thats only a good thing
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/05/07)
There may only be 10 blue players on the second picture - looking at the radar and picture together. May be another blue dot hidden under a red dot if two players are really close together, but maybe that's the reason for the gap.
But then maybe team vision should compensate for a missing player this? More questions than answers as usual!
There may only be 10 blue players on the second picture - looking at the radar and picture together. May be another blue dot hidden under a red dot if two players are really close together, but maybe that's the reason for the gap.
But then maybe team vision should compensate for a missing player this? More questions than answers as usual!
charlievolano
Banned
- 20 January 2007
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/05/07)
Dudes.......U are going nuts with this CSI over a couple of pictures.......
Dudes.......U are going nuts with this CSI over a couple of pictures.......
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ieatfanboysforbreakfast
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Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/05/07)
You're new here, aren't you? :lmao:
Judging on what we've seen so far, they should have named the new AI "BlurredVision".
You're new here, aren't you? :lmao:
Judging on what we've seen so far, they should have named the new AI "BlurredVision".
jord@n
Championship
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/05/07)
PS3 special stadium edit mode ? wtf is that about?
PS3 special stadium edit mode ? wtf is that about?
JayM
International
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/05/07)
Maybe the crowd could be missing on the PS3 version because they couldn't get it to run smoothly with it there (Jack's "contact" said it was juddery whenever they got near the box).
Maybe the crowd could be missing on the PS3 version because they couldn't get it to run smoothly with it there (Jack's "contact" said it was juddery whenever they got near the box).
winston
Champions League
- 7 August 2005
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/05/07)
Frankly, they both look like they could be from PES6.
Frankly, they both look like they could be from PES6.
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BillyBoy
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Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/05/07)
I noticed something that might be fairly big or incredibly small.
In the second picture the PIP of the manager and subs in the dugout is much more detailed than the top screenshot. In the top screenshot they look like cardboard cutouts. The bottom screenshot they are proper 3d models. Also like mentioned before the crowd are in the second picture. What do you guys think? Might be a later build or possibly a specific version. E.g. PS3 or 360?
I noticed something that might be fairly big or incredibly small.
In the second picture the PIP of the manager and subs in the dugout is much more detailed than the top screenshot. In the top screenshot they look like cardboard cutouts. The bottom screenshot they are proper 3d models. Also like mentioned before the crowd are in the second picture. What do you guys think? Might be a later build or possibly a specific version. E.g. PS3 or 360?
Putuco Malo
PES 2012
- 12 August 2003
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/05/07)
The top picture has better visuals by far, compared with the bottom one. Even in the PIP...
The top picture has better visuals by far, compared with the bottom one. Even in the PIP...
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