WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread

[Abhishek]

Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/06/07)

- ML didn't change, just pimped up..

If the ML has indeed not changed, then this game might not be for me. For me, 80% of my time is spent in the ML, and I am sick and tired of having the stupid ML structure for years.

 

[Han]

Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/06/07)

Xbox 360 and PS3 will have the same versions.

Yes I know, but I was talking about the beta-versions send to the previewers. There is a difference in howmuch the beta-versions show about the game.

 

[FreMM]

Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/06/07)

Xbox 360 and PS3 will have the same versions.

In terms of graphics; yes
In terms of structure and "modes"; no

 

[charlievolano]

Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/06/07)

I never said it isn't !
But in terms of football games Komani still is the one to choose.

But it's an interesting idea, 2k Sports to create a football ("soccer") game

I'll buy that one for sure, and ask 2k to make a decent rugby game as well. Fed up with ea rugby.

Anyway I also trul wished they put some classic leagues, something like 1985-6. It would be fun to play against platini maradona zico etc.

 

[Chris Davies]

Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/06/07)

It's an evolution because they are the same graphics with new textures. A revolution would simply mean new graphics.

Until they completely dump the cartoony look, there will always be a huge graphical gap between reality and FIFA on one hand, and PES's "next-gen" on the other.



I've just noticed that the grass's green is reflecting on Fifa's ball. Next-gen graphics. There is current-gen, and then there is next-gen.

I'm actually going to stand up for PES here and say, if you strip the textures away and just left the models, I would find the PES shot to be the more realistic (the stances look just right, which is a big achievement actually).

It's just the textures that let it down, which really pisses me off, because in the grand scheme of graphics they're relatively easy to fix. Take a photo of some real skin and there you go, instantly better skin. Make the shirt/sock material have cloth marks (i.e. tiny tiny holes, marks, not just a perfect colour that makes it look like they're wearing easily-creased paper). And the expressions kill me, because the initial idea sounded great, but the way they're executed in the video-clip that was released the other day is just awful. They look like they have diamond-shaped jaws.

I actually think it might be a cultural thing (I may be wrong, I'm no expert, but I was thinking about this the other night). Look at some of the Final Fantasy games; graphics that make your jaw drop but in terms of realism, you couldn't mistake the characters for real people (excluding the films, obviously). The same goes for game modes (and I'm sure I'm right with this) - the Japs LOVE the Master League. Two relatively small divisions, so a season doesn't last too long to get boring, being able to buy the big star players (Beckham, Owen and the like), being able to buy the best players that have ever lived (Pelé, Zidane and the like), having credits instead of real money, they love all of that. Fantasy is a big thing in Japan. At the end of the day, Europe is the secondary market, Asia is the primary one - and we all buy the game regardless (and have no official way to say to Konami, "we don't like this", "we would love to see this changed").

I think making it look a tiny bit "manga" might actually appeal over in Japan. And I wonder if gaming in Japan is considered more for boys than for men, like it used to be over here a couple of years ago. That would explain it.

 

[ajaxforever]

Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/06/07)

Yes I know, but I was talking about the beta-versions send to the previewers. There is a difference in howmuch the beta-versions show about the game.

Yeah, it's very strange. I read a few previews now and most of them are kinda different.

In terms of graphics; yes
In terms of structure and "modes"; no

And how do you know that?:eh:

 

[Han]

Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/06/07)

In terms of graphics; yes
In terms of structure and "modes"; no

Are you saying the PS3 has more modes then the Xbox 360??
I know there is a difference between the PS 2 and the next gen, but that is not what you are saying?
Please tell us

 

[ieatfanboysforbreakfast]

Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/06/07)

I'm also jealous of the fact in FIFA the football ACTUALLY looks like one.

 

[charlievolano]

Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/06/07)

I agree with Jack, the design must be chosen for some reasons, the color palette and the cartonish look have not changed through the years. I really came to like it at the end, but they could surely do something new.

 

[FreMM]

Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/06/07)

Well, there is no Fantasista mode on PS3 (360 not sure)
and editing is more elaborate on PS3 and 360

 

[twoodster]

Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/06/07)

I'm not remotely concerned about the textures on PES8 because I know the great modding community will have them looking brilliant within a month or two on the PC version. I think it will look stonking once modded up, I really do.

 

[ronaldo10]

Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/06/07)

No no, ThomasGoal had said: Shots are harder (Difficulty)

no no he said the shoting is harder, means stonger.
from what i remember the guy who played the 360 version sade the ball feels heavyer, he also sade when u volley the ball, the cam can berly follow the speed, if i remember correctly.
i was so happy to hear that, as the shoting on pes6 xbox360, its terrible & it can't get more harder(difficult) then that

 

[Han]

Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/06/07)

Well, there is no Fantasista mode on PS3 (360 not sure)
and editing is more elaborate on PS3 and 360

No, there is no fantasia on either next-gen. But are you hiding some other differences between the 360 and de PS 3 ?

 

[ajaxforever]

Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/06/07)

Well, there is no Fantasista mode on PS3 (360 not sure)
and editing is more elaborate on PS3 and 360

So you are taltking about the difference between current-gen (PS2) and next-gen (Xbox 360 and PS3).:roll:

No, there is no fantasia on either next-gen. But are you hiding some other differences between the 360 and de PS 3 ?

He doesn't know shit.

 

[ieatfanboysforbreakfast]

Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/06/07)

It's not JUST the textures though, it's the lighting, contrast and colour palette. It looks like a manga cartoon as someone pointed out above, no way in a million years are those next-gen graphics, I don't care what anyone says if you disagree you simply haven't seen next-gen games.

Who knows, maybe it is a deliberate move on Konami's part to differentiate themselves from FIFA, perhaps they think they can't match their ability in the studio and therefore go for something that will appeal to a different market - or perhaps they simply don't have the talent on board to create a truly next-gen graphics engine.

Also Jack I'm not sure how you can suppose to just "forget the textures for a second", textures do make up most of the graphics engine therefore to forget textures altogether for the benefit of PES is like to forget gameplay altogether for the benefit of FIFA. The fact is the textures are sub-par, sub-standard. The lighting and colour palette has not been improved at all and that's the most depressing thing, the fact they've had 18 months to tame these platforms and it barely looks any better than the previous incarnation.

 

[The_Knight]

Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/06/07)

I actually think it might be a cultural thing (I may be wrong, I'm no expert, but I was thinking about this the other night). Look at some of the Final Fantasy games, graphics that make your jaw drop but in terms of realism, you couldn't mistake the characters for real people (excluding the films, obviously). The same goes for game modes (and I'm sure I'm right with this) - the Japs LOVE the Master League. Two relatively small divisions, so a season doesn't last too long to get boring, being able to buy the big star players (Beckham, Owen and the like), being able to buy the best players that have ever lived (Pelé, Zidane and the like), having credits instead of real money, they love all of that. At the end of the day, Europe is the secondary market, Asia is the primary one - and we all buy the game regardless (and have no official way to say to Konami, "we don't like this", "we would love to see this changed").

I think making it look a tiny bit "manga" might actually appeal over in Japan. And I wonder if gaming in Japan is considered more for boys than for men, like it used to be over here a couple of years ago. That would explain it..

That's a very interesting point. I never thought of it that way.
For me, I always believed the more realism = the more appealing.

This anime culture doesn't really belong in a simulation game. (Bring it on anime FBs, defend your culture. This is a personal attack against every single one of you...)

 

[ieatfanboysforbreakfast]

Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/06/07)

- ML didn't change, just pimped up..

So I guess that's about the fourth of fifth source that has confirmed this now.

It's a good job we have someone like Lami on board who knows more than all these magazines and publishers because he assured us the Master League has been re-built from the ground up with proper league structures and realistic finances.

 

[Han]

Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/06/07)

He doesn't know shit.

No, his cousin has the PS3 beta, he prooved that

 

[The Power]

Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/06/07)

I've just noticed that the grass's green is reflecting on Fifa's ball. Next-gen graphics. There is current-gen, and then there is next-gen.

lol but not @reality screenshot :applause: :lmao:

You know ea people are photoshop experts.

 

[NickSCFC]

Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/06/07)

Apart from more accurate face models and kit numbers, PES' graphics are awful compared to FIFA.

It's an evolution because they are the same graphics with new textures. A revolution would simply mean new graphics.
Just like FIFA needs to dump and remap its gameplay, PES needs to dump its graphics engine and rewrite for next-gen.

Until they completely dump the cartoony look, there will always be a huge graphical gap between reality and FIFA on one hand, and PES's "next-gen" on the other.



I've just noticed that the grass's green is reflecting on Fifa's ball. Next-gen graphics. There is current-gen, and then there is next-gen.

 

[The_Knight]

Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/06/07)

It's not JUST the textures though, it's the lighting, contrast and colour palette. It looks like a manga cartoon as someone pointed out above, no way in a million years are those next-gen graphics, I don't care what anyone says if you disagree you simply haven't seen next-gen games.

THANK you.

 

[FreMM]

Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/06/07)

Lets just say another forum member and source have stumbled upon some intresting facts, but we cannot make them public as of yet...

More info will follow lads

 

[Chris Davies]

Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/06/07)

That's a very interesting point. I never thought of it that way.
For me, I always believed the more realism = the more appealing.

This anime culture doesn't really belong in a simulation game. (Bring it on anime FBs, defend your culture. This is a personal attack against every single one of you...)

Everybody's Golf (or whatever it's called in Japan) is brilliant fun, and I've read reviews saying that the PS3 version is amazing and very realistic. And yet the graphics are 4-foot-high manga girls with bunny ears and pom-poms. The last PS2 version even had a Liverpudlian golfing dog who you could play as.

Such a shame that the graphics are so stupid, and yet I love the game (beats Tiger Woods gameplay-wise). Notice how close this is to the PES v FIFA story?

 

[jflores]

Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/06/07)

Looking at the real life Barca pics, I wish NOKAMI and other game developers would find a way to make the shorts look more real instead of Tubes blown up with air.

 

[Stringer Bell]

Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/06/07)

PES2008 soundtrack listing :

- Stevie Nicks (Nothing Ever Changes)
- Tyler Hilton (It's Always The Same)
- Sugababes (Ugly)
- Blink 182 (Boring)
- Herman's Hermits (Just A Little Bit Better)
- Penetration (I Thought You Were Different)
- UB40 (As Always You Were Wrong Again)
- Willie Nelson (Nothing's Changed, Nothing's New)
- Usher (Sweet Lies)

Sorry, but I fucking hate fanboys.

LMAO!!

 

[ThomasGOAL]

Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/06/07)

Lets just say another forum member and source have stumbled upon some intresting facts, but we cannot make them public as of yet...

:cheers:

 

[ieatfanboysforbreakfast]

Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/06/07)

PES2008 soundtrack listing :

- Stevie Nicks (Nothing Ever Changes)
- Tyler Hilton (It's Always The Same)
- Sugababes (Ugly)
- Blink 182 (Boring)
- Herman's Hermits (Just A Little Bit Better)
- Penetration (I Thought You Were Different)
- UB40 (As Always You Were Wrong Again)
- Willie Nelson (Nothing's Changed, Nothing's New)
- Usher (Sweet Lies)

LMAO, that post deserves commendation.

 

[charlievolano]

Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/06/07)

Yet we are back on "we can tell you we know but not what we know".

I hope is some good news gameplay wise: something like "i don't have to turn around 3 times to wait for my fullback to go down the wing!

 

[ieatfanboysforbreakfast]

Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/06/07)

Come on then lads let's have the info. No point mentioning it if you can't make it public is there?

 

[The_Knight]

Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/06/07)

Everybody's Golf (or whatever it's called in Japan) is brilliant fun, and I've read reviews saying that the PS3 version is amazing and very realistic. And yet the graphics are 4-foot-high manga girls with bunny ears and pom-poms. The last PS2 version even had a Liverpudlian golfing dog who you could play as.

Such a shame that the graphics are so stupid, and yet I love the game (beats Tiger Woods gameplay-wise). Notice how close this is to the PES v FIFA story?

How about Wii Sports... I thought it was idiotic to waste the amazing Bowling and Tennis gameplay on these stupid cartoony characters. How AMAZING would it be to play with Nadal or Martina Hingis on the Wii Tennis game, with the Wiimote?

These Japanese... I just don't get it.

Originally Posted by freMM
Lets just say another forum member and source have stumbled upon some intresting facts, but we cannot make them public as of yet...

This could only mean one thing for me: The PS3 will have a totally new graphical engine similar to the Adriano pics, and we'll see them at Leipzig for the first time! Wishful thinking...

Most probably a fully licensed Premier League.