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WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread

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Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/24/07)

Unluckily, I'm afraid Konami isn't smart and uninhibited enough to develop a good strong unscripetd shooting/physics structure
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/24/07)

Unluckily, I'm afraid Konami isn't smart and uninhibited enough to develop a good strong unscripetd shooting/physics structure

they did, in we7i...

and i think its impossible to score from outside the box in PES6, i never ever score from outside the 18... some of you guys say its too easy, i dont think there is ever enough space to do it..
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/24/07)

i'm guessing thats aston villa, that guys face is ugly!

hahaha what a joke people can't even tell that's arsenal kit no one would make a mistake like that on pro evo pic shows how shite it is and that arsenal guy is fabregas , are u joking looks fucking awful, the stats are bullshit the player models are awful, the kits not realistic, only thing good is the grass and the ball but the ball physics are awful which makes that useless and there you go , what makes a potentially good game like fifa shit as a real footbal enthusisat it is wrong in so many ways , player stats , a.i. , player models , shooting , ball physics and ever player plays the same only difference is speed, computer plays shit against you when they have much greater team , e.g. i had villereal and played against barcelona and i dominated posession and chances but for some reason the computer cheats and makes them score crackers from 35 yard out but still rip the defence cuz i have a fast striker but otherwise my team is shite but still win , quique alvarez keeps heny and eto'o and ronnie and messi at bay.
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/24/07)

Hi Everybody!! I have a little question about "untucked shirt"...Does anybody noticed that there are 2 levels of untucked shirt ??? I mean that I suppose the shirt shoud be more or less "OUT"...If you look Gilberto Silva scan you can see "the first level"; but if you look the PES team player (the dark skin one) you can notice he's got the second level: "fully untucked"...I wonder if I'm right...If this feature was true it would be Nice and realistic because there are many players using fully untucked shirt (Ronaldinho, C. Ronaldo, Gattuso etc...)but other players (now I can't remember exactly who) using half untucked shirt (only over their stomach)as well...What do you think about, May I be right or I see things??? (sorry for my bad english)
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/24/07)

I can't understand people saying the shooting is too hard (power full) in PES, have you watched football?? With the balls they have now you see some real rockets and not just from strikers, that goes for free kicks too.

More Power and less scripts and the ditch the stock high miss.

It should be down to the game physics and player stats and the shooting bar should be to do with power and not height!!

Well I just hope that keepers ,defenders or whoever ,when they clear the ball ,it should travel a longer way than what we have in PES.Some keepers do (Robinson) score directly from goal kicks or make an assist with their clearances .I just hope that the ball would travel a much longer in desperate situations
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/24/07)

Isn't that worth a banning?

Also why do Konami have this belief that powerful shots can only be made when a player runs onto the ball? It sounds to me like PES2008 is going to cutback heaven.

No, because you called me a moron in the first place, and I wont stand that crap from nobody!!!
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/23/07)

Embrace has hit the nail on the head. I wish I could see the sort of person who sits there and thinks "Sweat stains and untucked shirts, that's good enough for me!".

To the person who says the "sweat stains" are "clearly visible", you are a moron. Firstly, because they are NOT and secondly, even if they were clearly visible in that shot do you think they will be visible, or add anything whatsoever to the game unless you are zoomed right in on replay mode?

The people who cum in their pants when Konami announce features like Shark heads in edit mode year after year and shell out for the game without even thinking about what Konami could and probably should be doing to improve the series, are firstly no better than FIFA fans themselves and secondly are limiting the progression of the game.

So you cant edit this and say you didnt write it. If I am a moron, then fuck off. I never said sweat stains are the most important thing in this game, I just said they are visible. And I still say it. And you can ban me, I dont give a fuck for you, I would miss all other members though..
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/24/07)

they did, in we7i...

and i think its impossible to score from outside the box in PES6, i never ever score from outside the 18... some of you guys say its too easy, i dont think there is ever enough space to do it..

Alot of my goals are from outside the box since i fancy doing it quite alot :D
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/24/07)

I do laugh at the player models as well... ;) Was just exposing that there are some things at FIFA that Konami should look at.

@Gomito#10: I think that those who say that scoring from outside of the box is so easy, maybe It's because they haven't played the 360 version of the game, they made it much harder, as if the fields were much smaller and you always had an opponent pressing on you making it very difficult to have a clear shot. I have made some nice long-range goals using RT, but only after a human opponent error in pressing... Corner kick volleys are also possible, but sooo scarce...
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/24/07)

omg I mean I absolutely love PES and hate playing with Fifa, but reading the comments made me realize I'm definetly no PES fanboy.

Simply bashing any Fifa screenshot for no reason. Well let me tell you one thing, any PES/WE fanboy would kill to see grass like that on a PES/WE game.

As for the Fifa jersey creases, no the guy at EA didn't forget to iron them:


In comparison, Konami's creases look like a jersey hung on display in some store.

As for the grass, simply NO CONTEST. They look separated by 10 years.

And the crowds in the screenshot, well let's drop the whole "beta version" talk for a while. This screenshot is more than 2 months old. And the crowds are on an absolutely much more different level of detail.

The lightening. Is there any proper lightening on the PES2008 pics? I must have missed it.

Wow. Maybe stop being a FB for a second and try thinking objectively for a while. It's not a personal attack against anyone when a different game has much better visuals.

The only thing I have against Fifa is the player models, and if you read what I wrote with the screenshot, I was definetly NOT talking about midget player models.
 
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Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/24/07)

hair movement in this pic? ronaldinho's hair seems to be waving around imo. also if u look closely you can see his cheeky smile. well done konami!;)

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I think I can see it great spot If you look at ronaldinho in the first released screens look closely at the back of his as it swings up i think its moving there.

 
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Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/24/07)

How can you care about hair movement?
Where is 360 player movement? Where is fully adjustable camera, full match replay, no script gameplay,new engine, stats like PLF did it, where is great athmosphere...

Where is new ML mode....
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/24/07)

From PSM3 : Didier Drogba and C.Ronaldo on the French cover of the game, no more Henry ? Drobga with Chelsea shirt ?
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/24/07)

Great spot :) yes I think it's moving this can't be the default position...
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/24/07)

ML unveiled in Germany IMO.
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/24/07)

From PSM3 : Didier Drogba and C.Ronaldo on the French cover of the game, no more Henry ? Drobga with Chelsea shirt ?

And Drogba/C.Ronaldo move is in the game !!!

This one by Zizou
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Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/24/07)

I hope harder shooting system doesnt mean simply less probability to match the goal when you shoot.
Rather I hope it means you have more way to control shots than pes 6 allows.

Shooting system should be more skill-based IMO. Skill of the gamer rather than stats of the player.
PES6 is too much oriented on: (player's stats) + (probabilistic rate based on shot's context).

I'd like this change on PES2008: more skill, less probability.

I agree completely. Currently, you can just pick what general side of the goal you want to aim at, and then the game does everything else. It would be alot more challenging if they gave us analog aiming. The player stats would still mean that shots are straying more or less from where you are aiming, but atleast you CAN aim where you want the ball to go, the thing preventing you from scoring every time is the player stats (Shot Acc, Shot Tech, just like in real life).

How can you care about hair movement?
Where is 360 player movement? Where is fully adjustable camera, full match replay, no script gameplay,new engine, stats like PLF did it, where is great athmosphere...

Where is new ML mode....

I too am desperate for 360 movements. For running, for aiming longballs, for shooting, everything. The current resolution for everything (shot aiming 8-way, longpass aiming 8-way or auto-aim) is just much to harsh, it reduces your button presses to basically just suggestions (You can't specify "shot for the top corner" when you are shooting, because any analog stick aiming get's reduced to "shot somewhere in that corner"). I don't like it, removes too much skill from me and gives the game too much possibility to do what it wants, since my wishes are not carried through the pad to the game.

Again, just because "I" can aim for the top corner, the player stats are keeping me from hitting it consistently.
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/24/07)

i look forward to seeing that move in game, plus the cannonball kid has been doing that move for years, virtually every game he does it.
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/24/07)

From PSM3 : Didier Drogba and C.Ronaldo on the French cover of the game, no more Henry ? Drobga with Chelsea shirt ?

Drogba & Ronaldo in their national team shirt instead maybe?
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/24/07)

TG could you try a full translation please

Comme chaque année, les resultats de la Konami academy sont attendus avec une enorme impatience... Et pour cette édetion 2007/2008, les deux heureux élus qui vont poser pour la jaquette française du jeu seront Didier Drogba et Cristiano Ronaldo. Les veinards, en plus de promouvoir la marque PES, seront aussi dotés dans le jeu d'un coup spécial, ce fameyx crochet talonnade qu'on les a vus faire moult fois sur les terrain la saison dernière. Il faut aussi s'attendre à d'autres gestes signatures implémentés pour d'autres joueurs stars, Ronnie, Rooney, Lampard, Malouda, Adriano ?


Google Translation

Like each year, the results of Konami academy are awaited with an enormous impatience… And for this édetion 2007/2008, the two happy elected officials who will pose for the French jacket of the play will be Didier Drogba and Cristiano Ronaldo. The lucky devils, in addition to promoting mark PES, will be as equipped in the play with a special blow, this fameyx hook talonnade as one saw them making grinds time on the ground last season. One also has to expect others epic signatures implemented for other players stars, Ronnie, Rooney, Lampard, Malouda, Adriano?
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/24/07)

Signature Lampard move? What would that be? 15 deflections before the ball flys into the back of the net
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/24/07)

No man "Il faut aussi"... = there should also be other signatures moves for other star players...

But the cristiano move is already there i guess
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/24/07)

Signature Lampard move? What would that be? 15 deflections before the ball flys into the back of the net

HAHAHA! true.
 
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