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Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/21/07)

embraceuk1 said:
No offense to you Tobi.

But i wouldn't rely on Konami game testers some of the Pitches are so obviously unplayable in earlier versions and they still made it into the game.

Not to mention the Weather bug
Computer never signing players bug

just a few obvious examples of no testing.
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Spot on ,if Konami were using gametesters,I'd suggest to get rid of them because they 're not properly doing their job
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/21/07)

Injuring somebody is not good, so then they should take out injuries, and fouls while they're at it since fouls are not good either, untucked shirts is not permitted either, they can't put untucked shirts in the game then. I can't think of nothing else that is wrong, or not permitted, but if something comes to mind, I'll let you know.
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/21/07)

Great point Pro evo 6 has been the only game out of the last 6 including the last J League where players cosistantly got booked and even sent off.
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/21/07)

Doubla R said:
Injuring somebody is not good, so then they should take out injuries, and fouls while they're at it since fouls are not good either, untucked shirts is not permitted either, they can't put untucked shirts in the game then. I can't think of nothing else that is wrong, or not permitted, but if something comes to mind, I'll let you know.
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You didn't get what I said ,I mean diving is CHEATING .Hurting someone while in the process of retrieving the ball is not the same thing .I never said I wanted to take injuries out of the game ,it's just that I hate diving so much.Each time I see a player take a dive ,wether he is one of my fav player or not ,he disgusts me.That's simple,for me DIVING=CHEATING so there is no need to include something like that in the game
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/21/07)

It is part of the game. I like the idea, the problem is if this addition will be well implemented.
In any case, you risk a yellow card so it is your choice...
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/21/07)

If they added diving, then they should add other things like pushing, punching or elbowing when frustrated. Taking off the shirt while celebrating, arguing with the ref, GK taking his time during goal kick to waste time, etc. All these things may end up with yellow or red cards and they are in real football. Don't you all want it realistic? Then why not just implement everything?

Anyway, I'd rather have useful additions like more special abilities and players gaining special abilities in ML.
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/21/07)

And what about those times when U make a shot attempt and suddenly your player start to tumble because some defender marginally collided against your back. If these are the only situations when you can make a dive, those times when the game engine is a bit to harsh on your attacker anyway, let's say unfair, then I am content with it.

About the Gatusso argument. First of all: he dives. Gatusso can be a little baby when he loses possession of the ball. Secondly: Gatusso does not shoot the ball at goal from around the middle line in real life. Yet in PES I can make him shoot from there with the touch of a button? You see what a mean. If you are convinced Gatusso does not dive (...), then do not let the men dive.

But I am all for a diving statistic which controls the frequency the computer dives(but I do not think the PC is programmed to dive allot anyway) and secondly the believability of the dive should also be controlled by statistics.

The utopian way of implantation would of course be when the referee only gives a free-kick when U also cannot tell if a player dived or not.

I think there is an important upside to this all, very important. Cause the ability to dive also means your player will have better balance from theirselves and try and stay on there feet as much as they can. He will depend on U to make the call for a free-kick. Whereas now I for one get very irritated with my players falling down like feathers with every little thing.

Now it is finally up to you if you want to have a free-kick when someone holds your shirt(which is easily visible now) or you want your player to go on with his break towards goal. So this is a good thing, a very good thing.

Every battle will be a mini game in itself. For the defender: how far can I go? For the attacker: how good are my chances if I continue? These calculation moments happen all the time in a real match.

With "diving" one thinks instantly of Cristiano Ronaldo and the likes. But I hope and suspect Konami revamped the whole foul-system with this in order to give the player more control. Perhaps its not about tricking the referee, it might be about deciding for yourself if you want the deserved free-kick or continue with a good play despite the fact that someone is hanging on your shirt.
 
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Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/21/07)

gomito#10 said:
you didnt play WE7?
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or infact we7Int (japanese version)... indeed the most strict (probably too strict)refereeing ever seen on a we/pes game.. I kinda liked it, cos a tackle from the back would be a 100% send off.. and prevent some of my bad-sport mates hacking me down as i was about to score... mind u.. i think we10jl/pes6 is pretty spot on when choosing the strict refs..


In regards to the diving.. .hmmm its an interesting topic.
I liked how with ronaldino's elastico(flip flop) move (in previous we/pes's), only a few could pull this one off in game, that is - it was an exclusive move to very few players 3 or so players.. ibrahemavic comes to mind..This was great!!! and very realistic. The key to this exclusive move was also the fact that it had to be manually performed.. ie. no cpu assitance - u do it when u want..

I think with the elastico it was a much easier implementation, as only a few in the game could do this or even attempted it.

With diving.. hmm.. everyone can dive (be it intentional or not), but i guess there are the few who do it more regularly, and happen to have been caught on the TV doing it deliberately to gain a foul - even when untouched..
Firstly i wonder if there will be an exclusivity to this move - eg. robben and ronaldo .. hmm maybe grosso (against the aussies did a great job) and wether or not these players will be insulted by konami's move to label them as divers.. especially ronaldo who ive heard will promote PES (cover???)

Also.. the next issue is whether or not itll be a manual move..
Im sure this was the case in n64's iss2000.. and it wasnt an exclusive move.. i hardly ever used it..but i think it did work well. And if u did it constantly you could see yourself getting a 2nd yellow .. risky business..

This is what i think (just personal views with any factual material).. konami wont make it a skill or exclusive move - as it wont want to offend any players, teams, coaches or fans..

I think it will be manual.. and i think this is a great thing.. i.e. the player can do what they want, when they want.. more player control and less cpu assists is what im really hoping for..

..but i think rather than doing it whenever, there needs to be a ballance.. i think this move will only be able to be performed when the shirt is tugged (which i think will be a new move - as u can see in next gen pics) or when a leg is stuck out - thisd kinda be hard as itd be very spit second decision making.

All in all.. i think itd be a good decision to implement this.. its definately a big controversial aspect of the game we love, regardless if its cheating or not (i say not because sometimes i think a dive is warranted after a cheating shirt pull or what not - realistically, most could stay on their feet if it was a life or death decision to stand - but constant niggling tactics by defenders also must be countered, n a ref aint always got the best eyes).
 
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gogbog said:
i would actually like to see diving as it makes it more realistic, online you would find it annoying just like its annoying when you watch it in real life.

it all depends how well it works on the game, i very much doubt you will be able to do it easily (obviously some may 'master' it but if they cant do it everytime then i dont mind). what i do think they should do though is not allow this to happen in the penalty area so it wont be a major way to score, then they can see how well the public receive it, if its crap then they can take it out next game but if people think it works well then they can test it in the pen area for the next game
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Nah.. most crucial (game spoiling ;)) dives occur in the box.. has to be able to happen in the box..

One other thing i forgot to mention in my previous post..
I think that the majority of the time, um 80%+, the ref should just wave play on.. ie, the decision is neutral.. neither for the fake diver or the defender..
thisd make sure the game isnt ruined...
 
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Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/21/07)

fair point embraceuk1 maybe konami should hire european game testers, i'd get on their nerves with the amount of feedback i'd give.

or maybe konami should allow more of a european influence.
 
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Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/21/07)

If there are game testers I'm seriously curious if they EVER play single player mode anymore. I can't believe that anyone would, in the 89th minute after you've just missed with your 47th shot from 6 yards out then watched the CPU DMF dribble past 4 players to shoot across your keeper to spill it into the path of the CPU striker unmarked in the box because your left back decided to wonder over and see if the corner flag really does clash with his shorts - not have anything to say about the single player gameplay being utter sh*te in anything other than exhibition.

But that could be my opinion.
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/21/07)

Heck there should simply be a European made quality football game. How ironic it is that we are dependent on a American and Asian company. (I do believe there are a high percentage of Europeans at work there though.)
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/21/07)

Lami said:
If they added diving, then they should add other things like pushing, punching or elbowing when frustrated. Taking off the shirt while celebrating, arguing with the ref, GK taking his time during goal kick to waste time, etc. All these things may end up with yellow or red cards and they are in real football. Don't you all want it realistic? Then why not just implement everything?

Anyway, I'd rather have useful additions like more special abilities and players gaining special abilities in ML.
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LAMI FTW ,:mrgreen::mrgreen: .I totally agree with you and well we'll see how this diving stuff really goes .

Imagine a player diving once and the referee waves at him to keep on playing ,after 2 or 3 attemps he should nicely be booked.This should also depend on the referee, having a ref who dishes out yellow card at the first attempt or one who could be patient in order not to book the culprit at his first try.
If it's well implemented(I mean very tricky to perform and lots of yellow cards) this diving could possibly be a nice addition however I'm worried that it might backfires on the game so I just hope
 
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Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/21/07)

embraceuk1 said:
But i wouldn't rely on Konami game testers some of the Pitches are so obviously unplayable in earlier versions and they still made it into the game.
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Judging solely on the horrible pitch colours and turfs, I guess Konami's game testers must be blind.

I just can't imagine testing this game and then saying, "These pitches look amazing don't change anything about them"

With PES/WE, the only proper game testing occurs after the game is released.
 
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PESV said:
Heck there should simply be a European made quality football game. How ironic it is that we are dependent on a American and Asian company. (I do believe there are a high percentage of Europeans at work there though.)
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A decent European football game would be the end of Fifa/PES.

You could tell from the atmosphere alone that WE/PES is so asian.
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/21/07)

The_Knight said:
Judging solely on the horrible pitch colours and turfs, I guess Konami's game testers must be blind.

I just can't imagine testing this game and then saying, "These pitches look amazing don't change anything about them"

With PES/WE, the only proper game testing occurs after the game is released.
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Bare in mind Japanese pitches look awesome in real life. So it is kinda weird for them to accept lower standards for PES pitches.
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/21/07)

kouroux said:
LAMI FTW ,:mrgreen::mrgreen: .I totally agree with you and well we'll see how this diving stuff really goes .

Imagine a player diving once and the referee waves at him to keep on playing ,after 2 or 3 attemps he should nicely be booked.This should also depend on the referee, having a ref who dishes out yellow card at the first attempt or one who could be patient in order not to book the culprit at his first try.
If it's well implemented(I mean very tricky to perform and lots of yellow cards) this diving could possibly be a nice addition however I'm worried that it might backfires on the game so I just hope
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True. All of this is speculation from our side and i guess we won't know ANYTHING from graphics to modes to diving to whatever unless we see this game in motion.
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/21/07)

what date does the next PSM3 mag come out?
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/21/07)

Doubla R said:
Injuring somebody is not good, so then they should take out injuries, and fouls while they're at it since fouls are not good either, untucked shirts is not permitted either, they can't put untucked shirts in the game then. I can't think of nothing else that is wrong, or not permitted, but if something comes to mind, I'll let you know.
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You CANNOT take these things out of the game as they are the very fabric of real football. As a stiker likes to score so does a midfield/deffender like to tackle, commentaters should accuse players of diving and these players can the be flagged as divers.A players reputation should also be flagged,rival games such as Man utd v liverpool Milan/Inter etc,the tackles will be flying in.Refs would see reports of diving and reprimand such players.I would like to see the officals line up to walk off the pitch at half/fulltime.Just a few considerations.
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/21/07)

25th?
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/21/07)

How about Konami add a feeling to home and away games? I don't think its in the game. Teams playing home should have more confidence which in turn enhances their abilities making it tougher on the visiting team.
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/21/07)

2 more days until we get see a video.
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/21/07)

The_Knight said:
Judging solely on the horrible pitch colours and turfs, I guess Konami's game testers must be blind.

I just can't imagine testing this game and then saying, "These pitches look amazing don't change anything about them"

With PES/WE, the only proper game testing occurs after the game is released.
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I think you do not have a good idea of what a game tester should do.
The color of the pitch is a choice of the developement-team; it is not a bug!
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/21/07)

tobi said:
2 more days until we get see a video.
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How is that so ?

Lami said:
How about Konami add a feeling to home and away games? I don't think its in the game. Teams playing home should have more confidence which in turn enhances their abilities making it tougher on the visiting team.
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This is one of the stuff they should have added years ago .
 
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Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/21/07)

ON THE DISC

PES 2008 will be on the disc next time

that is in the current PSM3 issue
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/21/07)

Don't get your hopes up.
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 07/21/07)

i know that last minute changes can happen.
 
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