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UEFA Champions League '06 - '07 Final: Liverpool - AC Milan
- Thread starter Big Boss
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gerd
Retired Footballer
Re: UEFA Champions League 2006-2007 - [Group Stage - Round 6]
Completely agree with you PLF...
One thing however is wrong with the CL.
I take for example this group and Anderlecht (which does not deserve to be in the next round considering that they led in three matches and won not a single of these matches).
In this group you had one overwhelming favourite (AC Milan) and three clubs who are of similar strenght (and yes Lille is the best of these 3).
Anderlecht was the first club to play twice (in a row) against Milan. Milan were qualified after their two matches against Anderlecht. What they did against AEK and Lille was palying with a sort of second team (Kalac will never be in goal when Milan has to qualify)...there is something wrong with that (and i don't blame Milan).
Completely agree with you PLF...
One thing however is wrong with the CL.
I take for example this group and Anderlecht (which does not deserve to be in the next round considering that they led in three matches and won not a single of these matches).
In this group you had one overwhelming favourite (AC Milan) and three clubs who are of similar strenght (and yes Lille is the best of these 3).
Anderlecht was the first club to play twice (in a row) against Milan. Milan were qualified after their two matches against Anderlecht. What they did against AEK and Lille was palying with a sort of second team (Kalac will never be in goal when Milan has to qualify)...there is something wrong with that (and i don't blame Milan).
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Big Boss
KJH = The Hunter!
Re: UEFA Champions League 2006-2007 - [Group Stage - Round 6]
Because the fans were whisteling at him when he was subbed off. Pretty stupid action by him, cant see the fans liking him anymore after that.
Because the fans were whisteling at him when he was subbed off. Pretty stupid action by him, cant see the fans liking him anymore after that.
lo zio
International
- 24 October 2005
- Palermo
Re: UEFA Champions League 2006-2007 - [Group Stage - Round 6]
i see, thanks mate
i didn't see the whole match, so i didn't know 
i see, thanks mate
i didn't see the whole match, so i didn't know 
Re: UEFA Champions League 2006-2007 - [Group Stage - Round 6]
So am I, I wouldn't expect Celtic to be favourites to beat anyone in the draw, never mind the 1st seeds. If you asked me if there are any we can beat, I'd say no, but if you ask me for the least impressive teams from the group leaders I'd say Liverpool, Arsenal and AC Milan.
Tbh, although I was disappointed with last night's performance, I know we can do a lot better than that and with the players missing from last night we should do better, but I'm glad we aren't drawing a Villareal like Rangers, I smiled when I saw the teams in Pot 1 as they're absolute top drawer teams with huge pedigrees and any one of them will be a pleasure to see them playing against Celtic as opposed to getting put out by a smaller team, the money spin-off from one of these giants should give Celtic even more revenue.
FD
p.s. Just to point out, we actually did get a point, of all places Nou Camp, Barca can't beat us there............hehe.
Can Celtic ever get a win or a point away from home, Im looking forward to the draw for the next round.
So am I, I wouldn't expect Celtic to be favourites to beat anyone in the draw, never mind the 1st seeds. If you asked me if there are any we can beat, I'd say no, but if you ask me for the least impressive teams from the group leaders I'd say Liverpool, Arsenal and AC Milan.
Tbh, although I was disappointed with last night's performance, I know we can do a lot better than that and with the players missing from last night we should do better, but I'm glad we aren't drawing a Villareal like Rangers, I smiled when I saw the teams in Pot 1 as they're absolute top drawer teams with huge pedigrees and any one of them will be a pleasure to see them playing against Celtic as opposed to getting put out by a smaller team, the money spin-off from one of these giants should give Celtic even more revenue.
FD
p.s. Just to point out, we actually did get a point, of all places Nou Camp, Barca can't beat us there............hehe.
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- #307
Big Boss
KJH = The Hunter!
Re: UEFA Champions League 2006 - 2007 [Group Stage - Finished]
HSV gave Atouba a 2 match ban for his behaviour btw.
HSV gave Atouba a 2 match ban for his behaviour btw.
Re: UEFA Champions League 2006 - 2007 [Group Stage - Finished]
Deserved that, I'd sack him if I was in charge. That was very immature :shock:
Cloud1863
Premier League
- 10 December 2004
- Stoke City
Re: UEFA Champions League 2006-2007 - [Group Stage - Round 6]
I knew that one was coming lol, well the point is more in reference to this season.
The teams mentioned are clearly the three that I would like to play if I were in said position. The only thing is that by the time you play your fixture you may not play the same team. Teams lose and gain form between rounds, so Milan for example could start playing football again.
Clearly you are the underdog left in the tourney, same could be said about Lille though playing in France will give them higher status with the rest of Europe. You are their and tbf that's all that matters, I don't agree with the revenue comment. Say you were seeded for example and ended up with Lille ( who you would feel are capable of beating compared to the others) then you got your "big" game in the next round. I think it would be a lot nicer to go to the last 8 than the last 16.
I knew that one was coming lol, well the point is more in reference to this season.
The teams mentioned are clearly the three that I would like to play if I were in said position. The only thing is that by the time you play your fixture you may not play the same team. Teams lose and gain form between rounds, so Milan for example could start playing football again.
Clearly you are the underdog left in the tourney, same could be said about Lille though playing in France will give them higher status with the rest of Europe. You are their and tbf that's all that matters, I don't agree with the revenue comment. Say you were seeded for example and ended up with Lille ( who you would feel are capable of beating compared to the others) then you got your "big" game in the next round. I think it would be a lot nicer to go to the last 8 than the last 16.
Re: UEFA Champions League 2006 - 2007 [Group Stage - Finished]
Lille are in the same post as us mate.
What I meant by the revenue is that the teams left their are absolute top drawer teams and especially if we draw an English team, then I'm sure there'll be additional revenue available for a clash of britain.
FD
Lille are in the same post as us mate.
What I meant by the revenue is that the teams left their are absolute top drawer teams and especially if we draw an English team, then I'm sure there'll be additional revenue available for a clash of britain.
FD
kel
Nur der HSV
Re: UEFA Champions League 2006-2007 - [Group Stage - Round 6]
This is only true to some extent.
Please let me give you a little insight about the whole 'supporters against T. Atouba situation' that has build up in the past months and weeks. Last season he was the fans favourite. Then, in summer in the offseason he requested more money and did not want to play for the club anymore and was considering to leave the club which of course the fans were not very amused with. With this typical mercenary behaviour he already lost popularity. Then he had and has this mysterious injury for a very long time now where no doctor can heal him. Some fans even imputed that he is simulating his injury because the club did not give him the bigger wages he had requested. However, in the end he did eventually play again because of the massive amount of injured players in the team - especially for his position, left side back, are not that many players available. So he played although he still has his injury and that was noticeable in his performances as they have been very poor. But T. Doll, the coach, still let him play instead of letting him rest. In my opinion he should have let someone else play for him who might not be at his ideal position but is 100% fit. And so it came that in the Hamburger SV - FC Porto match after a real crap game from T. Atouba the fans the first time booed and whistled at him. He was subbed and after that he said that he could not understand why the fans were doing that, especially only at him. Then in the CSKA Moskva game, he did not play good either to say it mildly. He caused the penalty and did not look good at the second goal as well. After that, the fans started booing and whistling at him again. Right after that he gave a sign towards the bench that he wants to get off the pitch. After the fans had seen him requesting his substitution, they were doing it even harder. But notice that only he, not the whole team or other players, was being booed. Apparently, after being subbed and walking to the bench, fans also started showing the middle finger to him and even doing racist taunts. It is no surprise how he responded to that. Hell, he was even thrown full cups of beer at.
So, the way I see it, he was damn right to act like that! Yes, he did play bad this season and it might have even looked as if he was not trying his best but you cannot be really sure whether it was on purpose or due to his injury. I was also angry seeing how he plays and did not want to see him play until he has recovered from his injurey but I would not boo or whistle at him. Imagine you are being booed in your own stadium from your own fans. Not the whole team but only you. That must hurt and that alone is a shame already but the racist taunts and flying beers from the VIP area are a disgrace, disgusting and must be punished!
T. Atouba already apologised for his behaviour and got his fine in being suspended for the next two games plus paying €50.000. But I feel that also the fans should apologise for their behaviour and that the racist get lifetime ban from stadia.
This is only true to some extent.
Please let me give you a little insight about the whole 'supporters against T. Atouba situation' that has build up in the past months and weeks. Last season he was the fans favourite. Then, in summer in the offseason he requested more money and did not want to play for the club anymore and was considering to leave the club which of course the fans were not very amused with. With this typical mercenary behaviour he already lost popularity. Then he had and has this mysterious injury for a very long time now where no doctor can heal him. Some fans even imputed that he is simulating his injury because the club did not give him the bigger wages he had requested. However, in the end he did eventually play again because of the massive amount of injured players in the team - especially for his position, left side back, are not that many players available. So he played although he still has his injury and that was noticeable in his performances as they have been very poor. But T. Doll, the coach, still let him play instead of letting him rest. In my opinion he should have let someone else play for him who might not be at his ideal position but is 100% fit. And so it came that in the Hamburger SV - FC Porto match after a real crap game from T. Atouba the fans the first time booed and whistled at him. He was subbed and after that he said that he could not understand why the fans were doing that, especially only at him. Then in the CSKA Moskva game, he did not play good either to say it mildly. He caused the penalty and did not look good at the second goal as well. After that, the fans started booing and whistling at him again. Right after that he gave a sign towards the bench that he wants to get off the pitch. After the fans had seen him requesting his substitution, they were doing it even harder. But notice that only he, not the whole team or other players, was being booed. Apparently, after being subbed and walking to the bench, fans also started showing the middle finger to him and even doing racist taunts. It is no surprise how he responded to that. Hell, he was even thrown full cups of beer at.
So, the way I see it, he was damn right to act like that! Yes, he did play bad this season and it might have even looked as if he was not trying his best but you cannot be really sure whether it was on purpose or due to his injury. I was also angry seeing how he plays and did not want to see him play until he has recovered from his injurey but I would not boo or whistle at him. Imagine you are being booed in your own stadium from your own fans. Not the whole team but only you. That must hurt and that alone is a shame already but the racist taunts and flying beers from the VIP area are a disgrace, disgusting and must be punished!
T. Atouba already apologised for his behaviour and got his fine in being suspended for the next two games plus paying €50.000. But I feel that also the fans should apologise for their behaviour and that the racist get lifetime ban from stadia.
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Cloud1863
Premier League
- 10 December 2004
- Stoke City
Re: UEFA Champions League 2006 - 2007 [Group Stage - Finished]
I know m8, I say "if" you were seeded.
Lille are in the same post as us mate.
What I meant by the revenue is that the teams left their are absolute top drawer teams and especially if we draw an English team, then I'm sure there'll be additional revenue available for a clash of britain.
FD
I know m8, I say "if" you were seeded.
Re: UEFA Champions League 2006 - 2007 [Group Stage - Finished]
Ah sorry, didn't read that.
Well if we where in Pot 1, I wouldn't have wrote what I did then. :mrgreen: I was really referring to the glamour and no doubt additional revenue that will come from one of them teams in Pot 1 that we'll face.
I do agree about the teams performances changing, that is a huge probability, but it was mentioned on Sky by Ray Wilkins about the likes of AC having an aging squad and he's right, I think at the back they may have to be careful. They're still a quality outfit but age catches up with everyone, even the best.
FD
Ah sorry, didn't read that.
Well if we where in Pot 1, I wouldn't have wrote what I did then. :mrgreen:
I was really referring to the glamour and no doubt additional revenue that will come from one of them teams in Pot 1 that we'll face.I do agree about the teams performances changing, that is a huge probability, but it was mentioned on Sky by Ray Wilkins about the likes of AC having an aging squad and he's right, I think at the back they may have to be careful. They're still a quality outfit but age catches up with everyone, even the best.
FD
Re: UEFA Champions League 2006 - 2007 [Group Stage - Finished]
We'd have been better with PT than Wilson then other night, Gronkjaer gave him a helluva time of it.
Telfer was unlucky to get dropped to be fair to him, I ain't his biggest fan, but since that appearance at OT, he's been solid.
FD
We'd have been better with PT than Wilson then other night, Gronkjaer gave him a helluva time of it.
Telfer was unlucky to get dropped to be fair to him, I ain't his biggest fan, but since that appearance at OT, he's been solid.
FD
gib2504
R.I.P Jarque
Re: UEFA Champions League 2006 - 2007 [Group Stage - Finished]
Totally agree about Telfer, Wilson's first game back should never have been against Copenhagen with Gronkjaer running at him all night, Telfer would have added some experience to the back 4 and who knows what would have happened that was bad managment from Strachan.
Celtic need to avoid Lyon and Chelsea in the draw apart from that we have a chance against the other 5 over 2 legs, aslong as we win at CP, although our Champs league away form is awful our Knockout Away form is quite good, beat Liverpool, Blackburn, Boavista lol, lost 2-1 to Celta Vigo, 3-2 against Stuttgart, and 1-0 to Valencia that was all in the Uefa Cup, you can qualify even if you lose the away leg, a draw away from can be brilliant lol.
Totally agree about Telfer, Wilson's first game back should never have been against Copenhagen with Gronkjaer running at him all night, Telfer would have added some experience to the back 4 and who knows what would have happened that was bad managment from Strachan.
Celtic need to avoid Lyon and Chelsea in the draw apart from that we have a chance against the other 5 over 2 legs, aslong as we win at CP, although our Champs league away form is awful our Knockout Away form is quite good, beat Liverpool, Blackburn, Boavista lol, lost 2-1 to Celta Vigo, 3-2 against Stuttgart, and 1-0 to Valencia that was all in the Uefa Cup, you can qualify even if you lose the away leg, a draw away from can be brilliant lol.
julien
is just your type
- 20 June 2004
Re: UEFA Champions League 2006-2007 - [Group Stage - Round 6]
thanks for the info. but don't forget that this man earns a shitload of money; and not because he works 24/7 under pressure like a manager or saves lives as a doctor or something. he just plays football!
you have to consider that the average fan earns less money in a year than atouba gets paid every month. then they spend like 40€ on a ticket hsv vs. cska and all they see is this overpaid millionaire acting like a twat.
unbelievable.
thanks for the info. but don't forget that this man earns a shitload of money; and not because he works 24/7 under pressure like a manager or saves lives as a doctor or something. he just plays football!
you have to consider that the average fan earns less money in a year than atouba gets paid every month. then they spend like 40€ on a ticket hsv vs. cska and all they see is this overpaid millionaire acting like a twat.
unbelievable.
Re: UEFA Champions League 2006 - 2007 [Group Stage - Finished]
I agree with tha ''money tha players get'' issue.. i mean if i get these ammounts of money those players get.. i would kill myself playing in tha pitch.. i mean i would play my best every match for getting all that money.. and they still play like twats.. they dont give 100% after getting all that money !!!???
I agree with tha ''money tha players get'' issue.. i mean if i get these ammounts of money those players get.. i would kill myself playing in tha pitch.. i mean i would play my best every match for getting all that money.. and they still play like twats.. they dont give 100% after getting all that money !!!???
PLF
Legend
- 2 August 2004
Re: UEFA Champions League 2006 - 2007 [Group Stage - Finished]
The draw for knockout stages is gonna be done tomorrow right?
And when is the first leg of that gonna be played? Sometime in February?
The draw for knockout stages is gonna be done tomorrow right?
And when is the first leg of that gonna be played? Sometime in February?
Re: UEFA Champions League 2006 - 2007 [Group Stage - Finished]
Yes, it's in the end of February. Here are the fixtures:
First knockout round
20 Feb - 07 Mar 2007
Quarter-finals
03 - 11 April 2007
Semi-finals
24 Apr - 02 May 2007
Final
23 May 2007
Yes, it's in the end of February. Here are the fixtures:
First knockout round
20 Feb - 07 Mar 2007
Quarter-finals
03 - 11 April 2007
Semi-finals
24 Apr - 02 May 2007
Final
23 May 2007
gib2504
R.I.P Jarque
Re: UEFA Champions League 2006 - 2007 [Group Stage - Finished]
I'll post the ties as they are drawn
I'll post the ties as they are drawn
gib2504
R.I.P Jarque
Re: UEFA Champions League 2006 - 2007 [Group Stage - Finished]
FC Porto v Chelsea
Celtic v AC Milan
PSV Eindhoven v Arsenal
LOSC Lille v Manchester United
AS Roma v Olympique Lyon
Real Madrid v Bayern Munchen
Inter Milan v Valencia
FC Barcelona v Liverpool
First knockout round
20/21 Feb - 06/07 Mar 2007
20/21 Feb - 06/07 Mar 2007
FC Porto v Chelsea
Celtic v AC Milan
PSV Eindhoven v Arsenal
LOSC Lille v Manchester United
AS Roma v Olympique Lyon
Real Madrid v Bayern Munchen
Inter Milan v Valencia
FC Barcelona v Liverpool
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lo zio
International
- 24 October 2005
- Palermo
Re: UEFA Champions League 2006 - 2007 [Group Stage - Finished]
Lyon - Roma...... this could be a very beautiful match
mmmm..... lille - man utd could be nice too. two great coaches facing each other
Lyon - Roma...... this could be a very beautiful match
mmmm..... lille - man utd could be nice too. two great coaches facing each other
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Big Boss
KJH = The Hunter!
Re: UEFA Champions League 2006 - 2007 [Group Stage - Finished]
Draw looks good, there are a lot of good teams out there, and many with a shot of winning it, apart from a couple of "smaller" teams.
Draw looks good, there are a lot of good teams out there, and many with a shot of winning it, apart from a couple of "smaller" teams.
chelsea_fan
EPL LEAGUE
Re: UEFA Champions League 2006 - 2007 [Last 16 - Draw]
ya good draw, its good we dont have to face barca again lol...
can celtic upset a mediocare milan side?...
Roma vs Lyon, thats one hell of a clash...juninho vs totti, very hard to predict, could go to penalties...
ya good draw, its good we dont have to face barca again lol...
can celtic upset a mediocare milan side?...
Roma vs Lyon, thats one hell of a clash...juninho vs totti, very hard to predict, could go to penalties...