The Retro-PES Corner

For those looking for wide screen patches, the ones available online will only work correctly if the ISO has not been modified. So if eg PES 6 for PS2 has been patched then the original PES 6 Windscreen patch will not function as expect and will alter the game speed because you'd be playing in stretched 16:9.
If a PS2 ISO has been patched then you need to get or make a specific windscreen patch for that modified ISO.
From my understanding the only time a default windscreen patch will work with a Patched ISO is if the CRC hasn't been modified.
 
PES4eva said:
For those looking for wide screen patches, the ones available online will only work correctly if the ISO has not been modified. So if eg PES 6 for PS2 has been patched then the original PES 6 Windscreen patch will not function as expect and will alter the game speed because you'd be playing in stretched 16:9.
If a PS2 ISO has been patched then you need to get or make a specific windscreen patch for that modified ISO.
From my understanding the only time a default windscreen patch will work with a Patched ISO is if the CRC hasn't been modified.
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this should solve all the problems
 
Hi all,

I’ve spent the last week tumbling down the retro-PES rabbit-hole and I’m more confused than ever. I only want one physical PS2 copy to play (via BC/emulation on my PS3). Licences, kits and option-files don’t matter to me -- I’m after the purest, most balanced/authentic/best/(whatever you want to say here) gameplay on the pitch.

Here’s the maze I’ve navigated so far:
  1. PES 6: the surface level winner.. Great flow but supposedly easy to exploit.
  2. PES 5: slower, more physical and “tactical,” but the stricter ref + heavier inertia divide opinion. Advantage: higher skill ceiling for advanced play.
  3. PES 2008 (PS2): pitched as “PES 6 fixed with the best of PES 5”: smarter AI, exploits patched, but some say GKs are weaker -- and in general, is it fixed? Also, I've read that this loses the "vibe" of 5 & 6.
  4. PES 2010-2014 (PS2 legacy line): allegedly the same engine with yearly tweaks. Key change: closer dribbling control from 2010 onward (ball rarely pops loose). Some love it, others say it feels glued to the foot. Beyond that, not sure if there are other negative nerfs to balance, AI or otherwise.
  5. PES 2014 (PS2): the “logical end-point” theory: if each year was just PES 6 + patches, shouldn’t the final PS2 release be the best of everything? Again, not caring about content and just gameplay

Is there a consensus that 2008–2014 are truly improvements over PES 6, or do later tweaks break as much as they fix?

For someone who values AI depth, balanced difficulty and realistic ball/physic interactions over content/licences, which single version would you keep forever? Any maybe that's not even the right question -- I'm really just looking for the best soccer game experience of the above. I know it's one of these PES, I just don't know which.

If you favor a later PS2 release (2008 or 2010–14), what concrete gameplay gains outweigh PES 6’s classic feel?

Conversely, if you still stick with PES 5 or 6 despite the exploits, what makes them irreplaceable?


I’ve read dozens of Evo-Web pages, Reddit threads, and nostalgia articles, but every time I think I’ve found the answer, a counter-post pushes me the other way.

If you could only keep ONE PS2-era PES/WE disc for its on-pitch gameplay alone, which would it be and why?
No need to weigh in on kits, licences or online servers
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Thanks in advance to anyone who can help me end this dizzying loop!
 
xgamepro said:
Hi all,

I’ve spent the last week tumbling down the retro-PES rabbit-hole and I’m more confused than ever. I only want one physical PS2 copy to play (via BC/emulation on my PS3). Licences, kits and option-files don’t matter to me -- I’m after the purest, most balanced/authentic/best/(whatever you want to say here) gameplay on the pitch.

Here’s the maze I’ve navigated so far:
  1. PES 6: the surface level winner.. Great flow but supposedly easy to exploit.
  2. PES 5: slower, more physical and “tactical,” but the stricter ref + heavier inertia divide opinion. Advantage: higher skill ceiling for advanced play.
  3. PES 2008 (PS2): pitched as “PES 6 fixed with the best of PES 5”: smarter AI, exploits patched, but some say GKs are weaker -- and in general, is it fixed? Also, I've read that this loses the "vibe" of 5 & 6.
  4. PES 2010-2014 (PS2 legacy line): allegedly the same engine with yearly tweaks. Key change: closer dribbling control from 2010 onward (ball rarely pops loose). Some love it, others say it feels glued to the foot. Beyond that, not sure if there are other negative nerfs to balance, AI or otherwise.
  5. PES 2014 (PS2): the “logical end-point” theory: if each year was just PES 6 + patches, shouldn’t the final PS2 release be the best of everything? Again, not caring about content and just gameplay

Is there a consensus that 2008–2014 are truly improvements over PES 6, or do later tweaks break as much as they fix?

For someone who values AI depth, balanced difficulty and realistic ball/physic interactions over content/licences, which single version would you keep forever? Any maybe that's not even the right question -- I'm really just looking for the best soccer game experience of the above. I know it's one of these PES, I just don't know which.

If you favor a later PS2 release (2008 or 2010–14), what concrete gameplay gains outweigh PES 6’s classic feel?

Conversely, if you still stick with PES 5 or 6 despite the exploits, what makes them irreplaceable?


I’ve read dozens of Evo-Web pages, Reddit threads, and nostalgia articles, but every time I think I’ve found the answer, a counter-post pushes me the other way.



Thanks in advance to anyone who can help me end this dizzying loop!
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JLWE10 and JLWE2007 are the two titles that are LESS BOX-TO-BOX — you should give them a try.
 
xgamepro said:
Hi all,

I’ve spent the last week tumbling down the retro-PES rabbit-hole and I’m more confused than ever. I only want one physical PS2 copy to play (via BC/emulation on my PS3). Licences, kits and option-files don’t matter to me -- I’m after the purest, most balanced/authentic/best/(whatever you want to say here) gameplay on the pitch.

Here’s the maze I’ve navigated so far:
  1. PES 6: the surface level winner.. Great flow but supposedly easy to exploit.
  2. PES 5: slower, more physical and “tactical,” but the stricter ref + heavier inertia divide opinion. Advantage: higher skill ceiling for advanced play.
  3. PES 2008 (PS2): pitched as “PES 6 fixed with the best of PES 5”: smarter AI, exploits patched, but some say GKs are weaker -- and in general, is it fixed? Also, I've read that this loses the "vibe" of 5 & 6.
  4. PES 2010-2014 (PS2 legacy line): allegedly the same engine with yearly tweaks. Key change: closer dribbling control from 2010 onward (ball rarely pops loose). Some love it, others say it feels glued to the foot. Beyond that, not sure if there are other negative nerfs to balance, AI or otherwise.
  5. PES 2014 (PS2): the “logical end-point” theory: if each year was just PES 6 + patches, shouldn’t the final PS2 release be the best of everything? Again, not caring about content and just gameplay

Is there a consensus that 2008–2014 are truly improvements over PES 6, or do later tweaks break as much as they fix?

For someone who values AI depth, balanced difficulty and realistic ball/physic interactions over content/licences, which single version would you keep forever? Any maybe that's not even the right question -- I'm really just looking for the best soccer game experience of the above. I know it's one of these PES, I just don't know which.

If you favor a later PS2 release (2008 or 2010–14), what concrete gameplay gains outweigh PES 6’s classic feel?

Conversely, if you still stick with PES 5 or 6 despite the exploits, what makes them irreplaceable?


I’ve read dozens of Evo-Web pages, Reddit threads, and nostalgia articles, but every time I think I’ve found the answer, a counter-post pushes me the other way.



Thanks in advance to anyone who can help me end this dizzying loop!
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Try winning elevens/j league games as I always recommend them for more authentic experience both graphically and gameplay , what I noticed back in the day that even pes on ps2 from 2009 until 2014 every game has its own theme , the most detail I noticed is that the player models look different in each one of them
Pes/we 2010 : players look more bulky and the shirts are more baggy
Pes 2011 : similar to 2010 but players look a bit slimmer
Pes 2012 : players are more slim and shirts are well suited , the same goes for 2013 and 2014 with small differences

I played those games back in the day when they were made each year I bought winning eleven japanese version of those games and I think I might try the later versions now for nostalgic reasons and actually better gameplay than ps3 (2012-2014) , and I actually never tried we 2010 aoki on ps2 is it good? , if I liked them I'll probably just stick with ps2 games forever haha
 
xgamepro said:
Hi all,

I’ve spent the last week tumbling down the retro-PES rabbit-hole and I’m more confused than ever. I only want one physical PS2 copy to play (via BC/emulation on my PS3). Licences, kits and option-files don’t matter to me -- I’m after the purest, most balanced/authentic/best/(whatever you want to say here) gameplay on the pitch.

Here’s the maze I’ve navigated so far:
  1. PES 6: the surface level winner.. Great flow but supposedly easy to exploit.
  2. PES 5: slower, more physical and “tactical,” but the stricter ref + heavier inertia divide opinion. Advantage: higher skill ceiling for advanced play.
  3. PES 2008 (PS2): pitched as “PES 6 fixed with the best of PES 5”: smarter AI, exploits patched, but some say GKs are weaker -- and in general, is it fixed? Also, I've read that this loses the "vibe" of 5 & 6.
  4. PES 2010-2014 (PS2 legacy line): allegedly the same engine with yearly tweaks. Key change: closer dribbling control from 2010 onward (ball rarely pops loose). Some love it, others say it feels glued to the foot. Beyond that, not sure if there are other negative nerfs to balance, AI or otherwise.
  5. PES 2014 (PS2): the “logical end-point” theory: if each year was just PES 6 + patches, shouldn’t the final PS2 release be the best of everything? Again, not caring about content and just gameplay

Is there a consensus that 2008–2014 are truly improvements over PES 6, or do later tweaks break as much as they fix?

For someone who values AI depth, balanced difficulty and realistic ball/physic interactions over content/licences, which single version would you keep forever? Any maybe that's not even the right question -- I'm really just looking for the best soccer game experience of the above. I know it's one of these PES, I just don't know which.

If you favor a later PS2 release (2008 or 2010–14), what concrete gameplay gains outweigh PES 6’s classic feel?

Conversely, if you still stick with PES 5 or 6 despite the exploits, what makes them irreplaceable?


I’ve read dozens of Evo-Web pages, Reddit threads, and nostalgia articles, but every time I think I’ve found the answer, a counter-post pushes me the other way.



Thanks in advance to anyone who can help me end this dizzying loop!
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AI wise i would choose JLWE2008CC.
 
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If @xgamepro does not care about the content (lack of national teams) AND can read Japanese (he wants to play with physical copy on an original hardware), then hands down to JLWE2008CC.

Else, WE 2008 (it supports English) would be my pick but PES 5 is a very close contenter.

Of course, you can pick PES 2008 but compared to WE, it'll be a little bit faster and will lack 6-star difficulty (not harder than 5-star but mostly à different approach for AI imho). Also, in WE, you'll have more Japanese reserve players (for game modes with NT) and some duplicate ML youth have been removed.
 
I just noticed that starting from JLWE10 (and possibly including WE10), the turf LOD behaves as follows:
Normal Close camera angle (the original one) has the highest LOD
Normal Medium camera angle has medium LOD
Normal Far and Wide camera angles have the lowest LOD

In contrast, JLWE10 (and possibly WE9) maintains the highest turf LOD regardless of the camera used.

The highest LOD turf is the sharpest and clearest, medium LOD is acceptable, lowest LOD is very blurry. The distinction between the three levels is quite clear.
Also, the turf LOD is independent of the five group LOD settings.

The turf in JLWE10 is too blurry. Hopefully, someone will discover a method to modify the turf LOD in the future.
 
I should clarify -- I have to pick an NA / NTSC title. I used the "PES" titling because it was less confusing to me, but in America/NA the actual game I would be playing would be called Winning Eleven, but I was under the impression that like, PES 6 and Winning Eleven 2007 are the same game. I know that the Japanese versions are actually quite different though.

And maybe because of that, the option won't be 'what's best' but more 'what's best of the available options?'

I've been trying to 'translate' the responses above into NA equals -- it seems like it's really between PES 5, 2008 and 2013.
 
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Guys, sorry, when I open the files in 0_text of JLWE2008 with GGS, when I go to change the pngs relating to the turf stadiums, when I overlay them, they remain the same color, not changing exactly.for this game do i have to do another way with another procedure? thanks
 
xgamepro said:
After reading this thread I'm leaning towards 2008 as the best North American PS2 PES option. https://evoweb.uk/threads/pes2008-ps2-version-is-the-lost-game-video-thread.77796/page-2

However I have seen so much praise for pes5 as well.

I am not seeing many recommending six so at least that is out of the equation
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To quote @Flipper the Priest:

Flipper the Priest said:
Amen. I have very little energy to compare PS2 PES/WE games now, let alone debate it. They're all great, and if you've got the means to play one you have the means to play them all and see for yourself.
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Enjoy them all rather than limit yourself. Then you can pick your favourite one or two from that based on your “style” of football. Even then, your favourites may change, but that too is okay as there are no bad PS2 PES/WE games, so you can’t make a wrong choice 🙂
 
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