ganea
Premier League
- 14 June 2009
The Retro-PES Corner
- Thread starter miguelfcp
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Madmac79
International
- 11 September 2006
Yeah Giovanni is a pain too, I think I wrote him about him in some previous post about this ML.
And about the bulky attacker without godly stats, but still capable of scoring a ton, there definitely is more than some truth. I remember for example that Toni in Pes 5 had a single stat over 90 (body balance), yet pad in hand under the net he was a goal machine on par with the best forwards of the game. I think that the mix between height, high physical stats and post player/scoring/center/positioning special abilities was like the formula to produce the perfect stereotype of that kind of bomber.
Yeh I love the defaults but it can be just as good a challenge taking on a weaker team or eventually even feeling the pressure of taking on one of the big teams. That is something that has never interested me but it would make a change having the worldly players and having fun with them. The thing is their wages would be higher so it would add extra pressure to win games.
I really like your idea about changing stats and transfers and playing exhibition games but that is just too time consuming for me. It seems to take forever updating the OF every day with faces and kits and stats. On that note, let me know if you would like me to send you an updated one? Although it would mess up any stats that you have changed in your game.
I agree, there is so much choice in the classic retro sweet shop. You can't get those sherbet flying saucers in the new shops
Let us know how your ML is going in PES2.
So onto Matchday 7 in my ML
First up is away against Huddersfield, in our 4 encounters last season we won 2-0 and 4-2 in the league and lost 3-0 and 1-0 in the cup. Our matches always seem to be exciting. Will this next one be?
Huddersfield 2 Canvey 2, yep it certainly was an excellent game with some great moments. Just before half time there was an excellent scramble in our penalty area finishing with Quaner missing an open goal. The thing is that his looked so realistic, he hit it well but took his eye off the goal. Also, a strange 4.5 rating for Ordaz even though he won the penalty and scored it.
So we go into the pre season break in 4th place, 4 points off the promotion spots. But as I said before, because the form is bad and I have changed my goal in this game, I really feel like I need to make a change. So i decide to start at the back and bring in....
A fellow country man to Ivarov and slightly older but Selikhov stats are better, in particular his Defence, Body Balance, Goalkeeping. I am going to gradually replace the spine of the team
So we go into the pre season break in 4th place, 4 points off the promotion spots. But as I said before, because the form is bad and I have changed my goal in this game, I really feel like I need to make a change. So i decide to start at the back and bring in....
A fellow country man to Ivarov and slightly older but Selikhov stats are better, in particular his Defence, Body Balance, Goalkeeping. I am going to gradually replace the spine of the team
After the transfer window it is on with our next match away against Aston Villa...
Aston Villa 4 Canvey 1, after a great start from us with Ordaz getting his 7th of the season, we were ripped apart by an excellent, Trezequet, El Ghazi (some of his runs!), and Lansbury who scored a fantastic brace, one excellent volley out of nothing and then an exquisite lob. Not a great start for Selikhov in terms of the score but he looked quite confident with his handling.
What is good is that even though his Team Work stats are better than Ivarov's. On the Formation screen, when you press 'circle' i think, it shows the Team Work rating between players. Selikhov's is then lower than Ivarov's which shows a kind of hidden 'Team Spirit' which works far better than the newer games.
Come on Canvey we need to get up from this low point and press on.
What is good is that even though his Team Work stats are better than Ivarov's. On the Formation screen, when you press 'circle' i think, it shows the Team Work rating between players. Selikhov's is then lower than Ivarov's which shows a kind of hidden 'Team Spirit' which works far better than the newer games.
Come on Canvey we need to get up from this low point and press on.
A decent headed save from Ivarov in the mix there too!
He looked quite assured picking it out of his net
Seriously though he looks a good upgrade and I'm sure he'll do well.
Madmac79
International
- 11 September 2006
@reinelt97 man, your ML sounds really glorious. When you miss the main objective for so long and you still are enjoying it so much, to me that's the ultimate benchmark you are playing a quality game. Unbelievable to see the gems we missed or underplayed.
@geeeeee
Sorry man, can't help you, but it's very fascinating to see there is interest in editing something as retro as Iss Deluxe.
@geeeeee
Shame for the results. With a little more luck you could have at least came out with three points. Anyway, loved Kodjia's header for the first Aston Villa's goal and the fourth one by Lansbury looked indeed like pure genius, with that first time lob. I'm also happy you kinda soften your transfer policy, bet it will be funnier with some more new signings 
Sorry man, can't help you, but it's very fascinating to see there is interest in editing something as retro as Iss Deluxe.
He looked quite assured picking it out of his net
Ivarov has been teaching him how to do that in training. I am hopeful that he will improve, there were a few moments when he was out of position before he made the save. I think Ivarov must have told him how important his position is, “if you start off in the net then it saves you the walk when picking the ball out.”
@geeeeee.Shame for the results. With a little more luck you could have at least came out with three points. Anyway, loved Kodjia's header for the first Aston Villa's goal and the fourth one by Lansbury looked indeed like pure genius, with that first time lob. I'm also happy you kinda soften your transfer policy, bet it will be funnier with some more new signings
Yes i am looking to the signings too. I am hoping to bring in a good CB and DMF, just to get that spine stronger. For some reason Dodo is having a poor season when normally he is quite good for me. Will see how it goes as the season pans out.
I agree with Madmac, your ML looks excellent. I love the way you have to buy a coach and a scout and that you don’t see the player’s stats until you have scouted them a few times. How does the training work? Is it the same as the older PES’?
Looking at the 2013 ML last night I'm convinced it's possible to play out a league season using it, seeing as Konami removed in this edition for reasons known only to them.
By setting transfers to me only and turning off development is there any reason why you can't just play out a one off season? You'd also have the added bonus of players not being happy if they aren't used and so on.
The cup would include a D1 but you could also fill D1 with 24 other teams and treat it as a European competition or indeed start in a lower division yourself and have the division above as the D1. If you get promoted you move the teams to D2 with your own in the league structure bit in the editor and start the next season (new ML) like that. Even doing real life transfers etc before starting if you want to.
Of course the 18 team D2 limits it a touch for a 20 team league. @Madmac79 @slamsoze is there anything I'm missing that would say this is not possible?
By setting transfers to me only and turning off development is there any reason why you can't just play out a one off season? You'd also have the added bonus of players not being happy if they aren't used and so on.
The cup would include a D1 but you could also fill D1 with 24 other teams and treat it as a European competition or indeed start in a lower division yourself and have the division above as the D1. If you get promoted you move the teams to D2 with your own in the league structure bit in the editor and start the next season (new ML) like that. Even doing real life transfers etc before starting if you want to.
Of course the 18 team D2 limits it a touch for a 20 team league. @Madmac79 @slamsoze is there anything I'm missing that would say this is not possible?
Marlon Anthony
Purist
One thing I realised when playing PES 2012 last night was that I actually hadn't practised penalties yet and that I really should..
So went into free training & remembered that this was a period in the series where Konami was experimenting with the penalty system, Except it was never truly intuitive.
While I kind of like having agency over your own power and placement, The random system in the PS2 has it's charm and dramatic effect.
Least of all, It's completley simple & understandable after taking one & saving one how to perform a penalty.
When I first took one in PES 2010 when they first allowed to to input shot power, All of my penalties where going straight down the middle, I couldn't figure out why. Then I learned, You enter your power first, THEN you press left or right on the stick to decide placement as your player runs up to the ball. Why?
It's one of these things where in real life some players are undecided about where they want to place it even while running up to the ball sure, But its not very intuitive unless you've researched the system.
In PES 2012 they've reverted back to placing your penalty before entering your power, But it's actually pretty hard to Miss the goal unless you deliberately max out your power bar. So there's an element of variety missing from penalties on this game.
Oh and they introduced Paneka's on this game too if you hold R2 just before you kick the ball to do a deft chip but it's a little crude in this one.
What are some of your favourite or least favourite penalty systems in Retro PES or football games in general?
So went into free training & remembered that this was a period in the series where Konami was experimenting with the penalty system, Except it was never truly intuitive.
While I kind of like having agency over your own power and placement, The random system in the PS2 has it's charm and dramatic effect.
Least of all, It's completley simple & understandable after taking one & saving one how to perform a penalty.
When I first took one in PES 2010 when they first allowed to to input shot power, All of my penalties where going straight down the middle, I couldn't figure out why. Then I learned, You enter your power first, THEN you press left or right on the stick to decide placement as your player runs up to the ball. Why?
It's one of these things where in real life some players are undecided about where they want to place it even while running up to the ball sure, But its not very intuitive unless you've researched the system.
In PES 2012 they've reverted back to placing your penalty before entering your power, But it's actually pretty hard to Miss the goal unless you deliberately max out your power bar. So there's an element of variety missing from penalties on this game.
Oh and they introduced Paneka's on this game too if you hold R2 just before you kick the ball to do a deft chip but it's a little crude in this one.
What are some of your favourite or least favourite penalty systems in Retro PES or football games in general?
@MafiaMurderBag i like all the old PS2 penalty system on all of the games. Although i think in PES5 it was easier to score down the middle because the CPU goalie dives to the side more often.
I know what you mean about the newer ones. Can’t remember what one it was but i hated that side cam view when taking the penalty. I could never remember if you aim left and right or up and down.
For me though the best was one of the FIFA ones, i think 16 and earlier. When you have the bar going backwards and forwards and you had to stop it in the green bit. But the green bit was really small if your player was naf at penalties.
I know what you mean about the newer ones. Can’t remember what one it was but i hated that side cam view when taking the penalty. I could never remember if you aim left and right or up and down.
For me though the best was one of the FIFA ones, i think 16 and earlier. When you have the bar going backwards and forwards and you had to stop it in the green bit. But the green bit was really small if your player was naf at penalties.
MadbaLL
Interista per sempre!
I don't have one but I think I have got CM4 downloaded somewhere and the CM scout for it, so I can.
Bayern1232
League 1
This ouo adware sites are a total pain in the ass.
Tried 20x times to reach mega for pes 2008 stadium part 5 but can´t reach it...
@MafiaMurderBag
Still have only 720p resolution, even with kitserver and had 16:9 files past in the folders.
Scoreboard is now not working, it shows score and time, but has a big white circle on it.
And is there any manuel for kitserver how to Access to stadium browser?
Tried 20x times to reach mega for pes 2008 stadium part 5 but can´t reach it...
@MafiaMurderBag
Still have only 720p resolution, even with kitserver and had 16:9 files past in the folders.
Scoreboard is now not working, it shows score and time, but has a big white circle on it.
And is there any manuel for kitserver how to Access to stadium browser?
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slamsoze
International
- 28 September 2010
What do you mean by "set transfers to you". You mean not to the assistant?
slamsoze
International
- 28 September 2010
Oh ok. I have never gotten over this option. If player development OFF, guarantees that players do not age also, then i assume that a League mode is viable, in this ML workaround. Also your players will have contracts that will need renew, or they renewed automatically?
@slamsoze Hadn't thought about contracts but if you treat it as a one off season it wouldn't matter. Plus if finances are irrelevant (other than covering wages) in the sense that there are no transfers, were you to continue more seasons you should have enough cash to renew them?
slamsoze
International
- 28 September 2010
I really don't know. And IIRC you have other expenditure , like having to invest to team staff or youth academy, fan club. I assume you could set them to minimum. But for real can't set my mind 100% what could go wrong or OK in order to make it work , or not.
Would n't it be more reasonable, to be able to turn transfers to OFF universally? And auto gray out the player development and currency settings? But on the other hand, we are talking about a workaround in the 13th installment of a series, that does not have single League mode, so anything could be possible and against common logic!!!
I mean in those games 11-12-13, if you don't have budget to pay , in the payday, the game automatically decreases all investment costs and if not enough, it auto releases your most expensive players and auto promotes some lads from youth team. If you can't complete a 16-men squad.
For only one straight season maybe it can work.
@slamsoze Yeah I'm trying to think what could throw a konami spanner in the works and can't think of one yet. I don't think you can turn transfers off completely(?) but then again I don't remember if I cycled right round in those option after seeing the 'only me' setting - which is the same thing really as 'I' won't be doing anyway. Development and classic set to off.
I'll have a try later and sim to the end of season and have a look at the teams and stats, make sure nothing untoward has gone on in D2 or other leagues come to that.
I'll have a try later and sim to the end of season and have a look at the teams and stats, make sure nothing untoward has gone on in D2 or other leagues come to that.
slamsoze
International
- 28 September 2010
You can always go more KONAMI than KONAMI (themselves), and as we say in Greece, "punch the blade of the knife", by SIMing a League inside a ML an then SIM a proper ML season outside PES on a FM!!!!!!! and so on etc, etc,etc...
Madmac79
International
- 11 September 2006
Man I never played with those options off. I guess transfers should only be available for you but as you and Slam already discussed, who knows with Konami? Curious to heard about it if you'll sim it. Maybe it could really turn out to be a decent workaround for the league absence.
Talking about something else, have you checked the gameplay tool for 13? I can't remember if you already did. There is a nice discussion about it in the latest posts of the Pes 13 thread around here, I think it could be interesting for you to check it out
.@MafiaMurderBag I think the one system I hated the most was in next gen Pes 11 (probably the one you meant as well @geeeeee ).. the idea was interesting, but it was so counterintuitive and intricate that it ended up just as plainly frustrating. I've missed a lot of penalties for it and I think I have only saved the central ones. Awful, from the lateral camera to the way you were supposed to pick directions.
Ps2 system maybe lacked a bit of freedom, but on the emotional side of the things it replicated the moment in a much more faithful, genuine and simple way. From the ones with the CPU to the ones against friends it always produced some very high quality drama to me.
I also agree that Fifa 16 system was very good.
slamsoze
International
- 28 September 2010
Was n't the 2011 system, the weird that no one knows exactly, how they should be taken properly. Like the video tutorial below, that haunts me until today:Man I never played with those options off. I guess transfers should only be available for you but as you and Slam already discussed, who knows with Konami? Curious to heard about it if you'll sim it. Maybe it could really turn out to be a decent workaround for the league absence.
Talking about something else, have you checked the gameplay tool for 13? I can't remember if you already did. There is a nice discussion about it in the latest posts of the Pes 13 thread around here, I think it could be interesting for you to check it out
@MafiaMurderBag I think the one system I hated the most was in next gen Pes 11 (probably the one you meant as well @geeeeee ).. the idea was interesting, but it was so counterintuitive and intricate that it ended up just as plainly frustrating. I've missed a lot of penalties for it and I think I have only saved the central ones. Awful, from the lateral camera to the way you were supposed to pick directions.
Ps2 system maybe lacked a bit of freedom, but on the emotional side of the things it replicated the moment in a much more faithful, genuine and simple way. From the ones with the CPU to the ones against friends it always produced some very high quality drama to me.
I also agree that Fifa 16 system was very good.
@mattmid ha ha what possible spanner could Konami throw in?
@slamsoze i know exactly what you mean about the tutorial haunting you. The amount of times i would leave out practising penalties until i eventually got one and then i would have to look for the instructions only to find out that new generation PS physical instruction manuals are not there anymore so then you look online. So much pressure for your first penalty against the CPU.
Right...concentrate....whack...out of the stadium!
@slamsoze i know exactly what you mean about the tutorial haunting you. The amount of times i would leave out practising penalties until i eventually got one and then i would have to look for the instructions only to find out that new generation PS physical instruction manuals are not there anymore so then you look online. So much pressure for your first penalty against the CPU.
Right...concentrate....whack...out of the stadium!
Talking about something else, have you checked the gameplay tool for 13? I can't remember if you already did. There is a nice discussion about it in the latest posts of the Pes 13 thread around here, I think it could be interesting for you to check it out
Thanks, I'll take a look. I thought I saw somewhere that you can't attach the gameplay tool and kitserver at the same time, is that right?
@mattmid ha ha what possible spanner could Konami throw in?
Possibly anything from their rather large tool box of "Yes, we actually added/took away this!" I'll probably reach the end of the season to find tied points are decided by the team with the highest number of A's in their players names or something!
Madmac79
International
- 11 September 2006
If I remember correctly it had problems with game official patches from 1.04 onwards. I tried it on the 1.0 exe that is included in the Space Patch I've used to test it and it worked fine, however I'm not 100% sure of the whole picture, probably somebody on the official topic will know better
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Madmac79
International
- 11 September 2006
Ok just reached Feb 1st and it seems both windows passed ok. Transfer news is greyed out so that's good. I can't see any capital names in my D2 teams and nothing seems untowards in them.
Here's the table to date out of interest, the top 16 are the real teams of Swedish Superettan (Div 2) for this season and the bottom two, not shown, are 2 weak Danish D3 teams, one of which I'm in charge of, well not that I'm doing anything. Those two are the bottom two.
So far it looks ok, going to sim out the rest of the season now
Here's the table to date out of interest, the top 16 are the real teams of Swedish Superettan (Div 2) for this season and the bottom two, not shown, are 2 weak Danish D3 teams, one of which I'm in charge of, well not that I'm doing anything. Those two are the bottom two.
So far it looks ok, going to sim out the rest of the season now
I stopped just before the final game to see if there was anything to be played for and the team I'm playing can win the league if the beat me and the leaders don't win as they are 2pts behind with better goal difference.
Meanwhile the cheeky secretary is going to find herself out of a job.
Yeah, no shit?
Just the 47 pts behind with one game to go.
Oh and is she finished? No.
Unacceptable? We're a Division 3 Danish team and we met Barcelona!! Losing 5-1 and I thought we did well to get the 1. Lucky it wasn't Brage, who lost 7-0 to Sociedad.
Meanwhile the cheeky secretary is going to find herself out of a job.
Yeah, no shit?
Just the 47 pts behind with one game to go.
Oh and is she finished? No.
Unacceptable? We're a Division 3 Danish team and we met Barcelona!! Losing 5-1 and I thought we did well to get the 1. Lucky it wasn't Brage, who lost 7-0 to Sociedad.
slamsoze
International
- 28 September 2010
This quote (...and your beloved...) meanwhile, is present in every PES until today (2020). What's the problem with these people, secretaries and assistants? Don't they love the club they work for? Are we the only one employee in ML universe, that love our employer?I stopped just before the final game to see if there was anything to be played for and the team I'm playing can win the league if the beat me and the leaders don't win as they are 2pts behind with better goal difference.
Meanwhile the cheeky secretary is going to find herself out of a job.
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Yeah, no shit?
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Just the 47 pts behind with one game to go.
Oh and is she finished? No.
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Unacceptable? We're a Division 3 Danish team and we met Barcelona!! Losing 5-1 and I thought we did well to get the 1. Lucky it wasn't Brage, who lost 7-0 to Sociedad.