The referee thread: discuss referees and their decisions

amineken22 said:
But, but... HE DID. His hands were on his face, the ball touched his forehands.
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It was from the John Terry school of blocking - committed but with hands well above the head. Was outside the box but a blatant handball.

For me should have had 3 reds. Cahill's was clear, as was (shocking, never seen it from him before) Welbeck's. And Flamini should have had at least a second yellow for his elbow.

But it's Atkinson. I posted a couple seasons ago - if he's in a Chelsea match, it's as good as a win. Of ref's that have taken charge of Chelsea in the prem era, the % of Chelsea losing with Atkinson is half that of any other top refs (7%). Compared to Dean (16%), Bennett (15%), Riley (11%), Foy (23%), Webb (23%). The win % is also about 15% higher at 76% - far and away the highest of any top referees taking charge of Chelsea.

I don't know what it is about him, but the stats don't lie, and that's across more than 30 matches. It's the opposite when he takes charge of United. Our loss % with him is more than 10% higher than average, and he has never awarded us a penalty.

After he f*cked us in 2 consecutive matches, he has since never been given United v. Chelsea again.
 
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amineken22 said:
Ah... That Drogba goal. Brings back memories :)
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Haha, yeah, that 'tight' offside call ;)

It was more his 'performance' the next year (I think) when Luiz was given free reign, on a yellow, to commit at least 4 more yellow-card worthy challenges, but never get it. Then Vidic was dismissed without a second's hesitation. It was so one-sided as to be comical.
 
I certainly wouldn't say that Atkinson advantages Chelsea yesterday.
Besides that, they were the better team by miles.
 
Wait, the ref gave a corner? How could that happen, the ball didn't actually end up out of play? The player fell on the ball after the clear trip, at 0:10 you can actually see the ball is still in play, it's just inside the touch line.

So the ref clearly blew the whistle at the time of the trip. So he has to either award the penalty, or give a yellow card, BECAUSE HE BLEW THE WHISTLE. Pretty massive error there, schoolboy stuff.

The other stuff I'm fine with. Managers can't boot the ball and throw a tantrum, and that was far from the harshest yellow I've seen. But the penalty incident is clearly just wrong officiating.
 
In all seriousness that guy, Steven McLane, is a total moron. He's a ref in Scotland and his brother is a Scottish footballer (who once played a game for Northern Ireland) and was a retarted thug who mainly "played" (if you could call it that) for Motherwell.
 
I like the #ITA defender pleading n praying to the ref , not to give the penalty lol (it worked) .What a farce of a decision . This 'penalty for dummies' handbook needs no explanation. That should be the red last songs dance!
 
I don't want to be the devil's advocate, but I understand why the ref didn't award a penalty. There's contact with the knee/thigh of the defender- its a penalty on my book - but the attacker kind oversell it, and maybe let the refs too think he's faking it.

But the ball never left the field. So if he whistle is either a penalty or a yellow to the attacker.
 
gerd said:
It is stupid to compare De Jong, Eboué and Nani situations.
All three are fundamentally different.

IMO only De Jong should have gotten a red card.
Eboué was never a red card.

BUT

It is not because Ferguson at the time said that Eboué's offense clearly was a red card offense that yesterday's ref did not make a mistake.

Ferguson always tries to infleunce refs and the refereeing board of the FA (however the real name of that board is).

There was never any intent in Nani's foul because Nani couldn't even see Arbeloa, he had his back turned to him.

De Jong knew damn well what he was doing.

I guess one could argue about Eboué's red card but that was more clumsyness than intent IMO. I would never have given that red card, but it wasn't as blatant an error as yesterday's decision.

In the CL thread Thomasgoal is talking about a Laslandes overhead kick goal that was disallowed because the ref considered it dangerous play. Ironically he uses this argument to defend the Turkish referee. If i remember well Laslandes wasn't sent off for the overhead kick. The ref merely disallowed the goal and gave a free kick to Auxerre's opponents. I don't discuss the fact that the ref yesterday should have given a free kick and perhaps even a yellow card, but never in a million years a red card.

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When i saw at the beginning of the match that the ref was Turkish i had a bad feeling. I know it is stereotyping (and one could even consider this racist) but from all that i hear and read about Turkish football, i don't have much confidence in Turkish football and all that surrounds it. Of course it is wrong to think this, but i just couldn't help myself. What i do think however is that UEFA should be very carefull when appointing referees for such vital matches. It could have been a bad moment for this ref, but sometimes i wonder how it is possible that some refs can ply their trade at the highest level. Not longer ago than saturday i was a ref myself (youth football) and so i know that they have a difficult job. But some mistakes are very bad, this was one...he simply killed the match for neutrals. I was supporting more or less United but above all i wante to see a good match. The ref killed it. I don't mind any team winning silverware as long as this happens fair. Yesterday this was not the case.
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Ironically, Cüneyt Çakir is among the best referees in the world. And no, not my opinion. It is indeed a shame that you are thinking like that.
 
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That was a post from March 2013 (the first page of this thread).
I don't know why you digged that up.

Well meantime, i know he is a very good ref...i won't discuss that with you. As for the stereotyping, i agree with you (i wrote it myself).

But unfortunately all i ever hear abput Turkish football are scandals, match fixing, crowd violence....ey

i've also read the stories from a couple of Belgians who coached in Turkey. They paint an awfull picture about Turkish football and especially the rich owners of teams (i remember an article about Trabzonspor).

You will say that those people talked after they were sacked, well not always....

But basically you were right and i was wrong.

Am i ashamed ?

No.
 
gerd said:
That was a post from March 2013 (the first page of this thread).
I don't know why you digged that up.

Well meantime, i know he is a very good ref...i won't discuss that with you. As for the stereotyping, i agree with you (i wrote it myself).

But unfortunately all i ever hear abput Turkish football are scandals, match fixing, crowd violence....ey

i've also read the stories from a couple of Belgians who coached in Turkey. They paint an awfull picture about Turkish football and especially the rich owners of teams (i remember an article about Trabzonspor).

You will say that those people talked after they were sacked, well not always....

But basically you were right and i was wrong.

Am i ashamed ?

No.
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I think one Belgian coach has its best days of his life at Galatasaray. Eric Gerets. Also I know what stereotyping is. We in The Netherlands have that too against the Belgians.

If that's the only thing you hear about Turkish football, you are not familiar at all with it. But you are right about Trabzonspor. Even I won't bother to coach that club.
 
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It's true that i am not familiar at all with Turkish football.
It will perhaps amaze you but i used to love your national team in 2002. Mansiz was one of my favorite players at the time.
I was also vers fond of the litle midfielder that has played for Inter, he has been captain of your national team. He might still playing.

And then of course, Arda Turan. With him in the team Atletico might have won the CL final.

A question. Did Cuneyt Cakir officiate at the recent WC?
 
How is nobody talking about Lens-PSG game ?

Cavani did his typical rifle celebration and got a yellow card, confronted the ref, and got a red.

Althouh Cavani acted stupidly by grabbing the referee's arm, the first yellow card was totally unjustified.

The other 2 red cards for Lens were valid in the other hand.
 
gerd said:
It's true that i am not familiar at all with Turkish football.
It will perhaps amaze you but i used to love your national team in 2002. Mansiz was one of my favorite players at the time.
I was also vers fond of the litle midfielder that has played for Inter, he has been captain of your national team. He might still playing.

And then of course, Arda Turan. With him in the team Atletico might have won the CL final.

A question. Did Cuneyt Cakir officiate at the recent WC?
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The 2002 squad was legendary. That was a good generation of players (EURO 2000, WC 2002, Galatasaray UEFA Cup winners and Super Cup winners 2000, 2001).

Cüneyt Cakir was the referee at 3 games including the semi final Netherlands - Argentina.
 
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Man City - Spurs at half time, two City goals that were a gift of the ref.
The first should been disallowed for position off-side by Lampard.
The second never was a penalty...
 
ManCity
1st penalty :NO
2nd penalty : Yes
3rd penalty :Yes

Spurs
1st penalty :No (foul was a yd. outside the box.)

as a neutral the ref favoured Spurs! Aquero basically pulled a rabbit out of his hat!
 
bebo said:
ManCity
1st penalty :NO
2nd penalty : Yes
3rd penalty :Yes

Spurs
1st penalty :No (foul was a yd. outside the box.)

as a neutral the ref favoured Spurs! Aquero basically pulled a rabbit out of his hat!
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As a neutral ?
An Arsenal fan ?

Right.
 
gerd, could you tell me why you think the foul on Silva wasn't a penalty? With all due respect but I feel like sometimes you post things just for the sake of it being somewhat controversial.
 
I was talking about the foul on Lampard.
The one on Silva was definitely a foul.

I only saw the first half and i don't doubt that City are the better team, but Spurs were very good in that first half. IMO the ref made Some difference there.
 
So tonight's Carling Cup match is a perfect example of why one day we'll move to replays, and the sport will improve imemasurably.

Tonight, at 0-1 to Newcastle, Obertan is sent through on goal in the 70th minute. Kolarov takes him out, none of the ball. Should be text book penalty and red card. But Stuart Atwell misses it. I understand why, it's hard to see and the players are far away from him.

City will likely come back and win this, but likely wouldn't have from 2 down and with a man down. All it would have taken is 30 seconds and a replay, and the right decision would have been made. This is a cup competition, that decision will shape this match.
 
beachryan said:
So tonight's Carling Cup match is a perfect example of why one day we'll move to replays, and the sport will improve imemasurably.

Tonight, at 0-1 to Newcastle, Obertan is sent through on goal in the 70th minute. Kolarov takes him out, none of the ball. Should be text book penalty and red card. But Stuart Atwell misses it. I understand why, it's hard to see and the players are far away from him.

City will likely come back and win this, but likely wouldn't have from 2 down and with a man down. All it would have taken is 30 seconds and a replay, and the right decision would have been made. This is a cup competition, that decision will shape this match.
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Newcastle won.
 
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