Rematch - New Football Game

kamy100 said:
Slocap the studio that made SIFU announced last night that their next game will be a fooball game, it is a five a side online multiplayer game:
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Well. I can say is at least a good developer is wanting to enter the football market. Reminds me of Rocket League and is obviously arcade style. It's unique, I applaud that, as no ne wants another FUT lite.
 
You guys seen this? VR game with EPL attached. I was wondering why this type of game wasn't made before. As I've always thought done right and in 1st person view, this could be very immersive.

That idea to recreate the actions and movements of a goal is a great use of the EPL license.

 
So where is now everyone that was arguing with me about the exclusive deal of EPL with EA? I've said EPL can give the rights to any company for a football videogame and they were also in talks with 2K.
 
fear said:
So where is now everyone that was arguing with me about the exclusive deal of EPL with EA? I've said EPL can give the rights to any company for a football videogame and they were also in talks with 2K.
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Not for a simulation football game which this is not (it is considered Virtual Reality training). And no as much as you want to be an "insider" the Premier League can't give the rights to anyone for a football simulation game and no 2K won't get the rights to a football simulation game since those are exclusive to EA and would need EA to say yes to it like they did with Football Manager which was confirmed by Miles himself.

Factor in to that how long EA and the Premier league have been working together and how many community projects next to the game they have together and it is very clear that the license going to another simulation game without EA saying yes to it is very unrealistic.

It is the same as the NFL license. You see in the market virtual reality games with the NFL license and even Arcade style Mobile Games with it. But you won't see a console and PC American Football game with the NFL license because EA holds the rights. It is actually not that hard to understand ;)

Can the Premier League and NFL be licensed to games? Yes. But only to those who aren't seen to be in the same field as Madden or Fifa.
 
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Oh goody, another online GAAS football game, We're so desperate for one because they don't seem to exist....

At this point, it just seems to be easier for devs to make an arcade style football game without the burden of the complexities of developing a simulator. But at the same time, there's enough of them out now that I wonder, why join an already saturated market?

It's not just football games, Look at the F2P games on the PS Store or Marketplace, Google Play etc. There's an abundance of low effort shooters that are so derivative that if it reminds you of COD, Fortnite and Apex, why not just play those that already do it better?
 
Jay-Jay 10 said:
Not for a simulation football game which this is not (it is considered Virtual Reality training). And no as much as you want to be an "insider" the Premier League can't give the rights to anyone for a football simulation game and no 2K won't get the rights to a football simulation game since those are exclusive to EA and would need EA to say yes to it like they did with Football Manager which was confirmed by Miles himself.

Factor in to that how long EA and the Premier league have been working together and how many community projects next to the game they have together and it is very clear that the license going to another simulation game without EA saying yes to it is very unrealistic.

It is the same as the NFL license. You see in the market virtual reality games with the NFL license and even Arcade style Mobile Games with it. But you won't see a console and PC American Football game with the NFL license because EA holds the rights. It is actually not that hard to understand ;)

Can the Premier League and NFL be licensed to games? Yes. But only to those who aren't seen to be in the same field as Madden or Fifa.
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I get what you're saying but I know that EPL has the right to negotiate any deal despite the EA exclusivity. It's in their discretion to sign new deals or terminate existing ones. And yes this comes from inside information.
 
Marlon Anthony said:
Oh goody, another online GAAS football game, We're so desperate for one because they don't seem to exist....

At this point, it just seems to be easier for devs to make an arcade style football game without the burden of the complexities of developing a simulator. But at the same time, there's enough of them out now that I wonder, why join an already saturated market?

It's not just football games, Look at the F2P games on the PS Store or Marketplace, Google Play etc. There's an abundance of low effort shooters that are so derivative that if it reminds you of COD, Fortnite and Apex, why not just play those that already do it better?
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Tbf as long as EA and KONAMI continue to provide abysmal products, smaller devs will try to fill the gap just to make quick money. Don't you find it bizarre other big companies don't step up to create a proper videogame of the most popular sport in the world? 2K even resurrected a tennis game throwing in some relatively big money. Right now basketball and baseball have the best sports videogames out there and football is completely ommited. I find it rather strange because the market is there even for an average/decent effort to create one.
 
fear said:
Tbf as long as EA and KONAMI continue to provide abysmal products, smaller devs will try to fill the gap just to make quick money. Don't you find it bizarre other big companies don't step up to create a proper videogame of the most popular sport in the world? 2K even resurrected a tennis game throwing in some relatively big money. Right now basketball and baseball have the best sports videogames out there and football is completely ommited. I find it rather strange because the market is there even for an average/decent effort to create one.
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I do find it strange that with the knowledge and technology available there isn't more or at least the 2 big dogs don't have the definitive football game products out there, they nailed it in the past with less advance technology but seemingly regressed to making arcade style experiences themselves.

Think 10 eyars ago, their games were realistic AND still made tons of money though MTX, Players loved these games but now devs are afraid of losing revenue if new players find them too hard or challenging, so they design them so any one can pick them up and score tons of goals with no learning curve which diminishes the overall integrity of the games.
 
Back then on the PS2 it was much cheaper to programme a football game or games in general. We're talking about a football game that should be on a good PES level in terms of gameplay. I think it's difficult to programme a good match engine (Gameplay AI for online and offline), if bought in, a good football game -> collision detection etc.. I'm not even talking about the overpriced licences. Even on the PS3 (HD games) there were almost no football games apart from PES and FIFA, and when there were, they were of poor quality.

It requires a lot of money for initial development, licences and then there is the greedy management and shareholders.
 
fear said:
I get what you're saying but I know that EPL has the right to negotiate any deal despite the EA exclusivity. It's in their discretion to sign new deals or terminate existing ones. And yes this comes from inside information.
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Guess we just have to believe you. ;)

My bet is we won't see the Premier League with another company's football simulation game.

Of course I don't have the inside information you have, but I am pretty sure they won't change from a company they are working with since the 90s and have so many community projects for grassroots football with to another one.

But as you say it's bizarre that no big company creates a game for the biggest sport in the world. If only there would be a reason like maybe they realize they can't get the licenses they would need to compete.

Also the best basketball game? Maybe watch Softdrink TVs video how broken MyNBA is.
2K is also having a lot of issues with their franchise mode and are degrading in quality.
 
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Jay-Jay 10 said:
Guess we just have to believe you. ;)

My bet is we won't see the Premier League with another company's football simulation game.

Of course I don't have the inside information you have, but I am pretty sure they won't change from a company they are working with since the 90s and have so many community projects for grassroots football with to another one.

But as you say it's bizarre that no big company creates a game for the biggest sport in the world. If only there would be a reason like maybe they realize they can't get the licenses they would need to compete.

Also the best basketball game? Maybe watch Softdrink TVs video how broken MyNBA is.
2K is also having a lot of issues with their franchise mode and are degrading in quality.
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Yeah whatever. NBA 2k25 is the best basketball sim ever imo if you want to play offline. Everything's so customizable and MyNBA also. Ofc there are still flaws but MyNBA is one of the most engaging franchises ever, idk what this guy is talking about.
If you think FIFA or EA FC is based on sim grounds I have 2 fields to sell you in the moon and a castle in Mars.
EPL will give the licence to everyone that will splash the cash on or under the table.
 
fear said:
Yeah whatever. NBA 2k25 is the best basketball sim ever imo if you want to play offline. Everything's so customizable and MyNBA also. Ofc there are still flaws but MyNBA is one of the most engaging franchises ever, idk what this guy is talking about.
If you think FIFA or EA FC is based on sim grounds I have 2 fields to sell you in the moon and a castle in Mars.
EPL will give the licence to everyone that will splash the cash on or under the table.
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Yeah whatever was exactly the answer I was expecting šŸ¤£ I somehow trust Miles and what he said more in his interview than your inside information.

And MyNBA is broken after 2-3 seasons ;) which was my point. Just watch the video and what he shows regarding Team Ratings. 2K is degrading and becoming worse and worse regarding sports games. Right now I think the best sports gaming experiences are probably The Show and College Football
 
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