PES2016 - PC Version Discussion Thread

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fernadez said:
Can anyone confirm if the keepers are still the same as the demo and last year? As in the game moves in slo motion when they are involved and also that they don't save anything low, diving after the ball and with arms not outstretched?


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It's mind-boggling. It happened both to my keeper and the opposing gk. They save some of the most difficult shots and concede the easiest ones.:SHOCK: diving animation still lacking. On penalties especially they're still floating, just... faster. This is my experience so far, played 12 exhibition matches
 
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Now that the PC demo is out, I'll probably have a go, but I was very unimpressed by the 'populist' gameplay updates in 2015, which I felt made the game too easy. This was judging from the demo as I didn't bother buying the game.

The graphical downgrades (vs. PS4/X1) are a real shame as it holds back the modding community somewhat in terms of actually seeing the results of your work at its best in the game.

PES2016 will have to be something very different to 2015 for me to justify spending money, as I'm currently on my 10th season in a PES6 master league and I'm still loving it, although it has got a bit easy now!
 
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pacpes said:
It's mind-boggling. It happened both to my keeper and the opposing gk. They save some of the most difficult shots and concede the easiest ones.:SHOCK: diving animation still lacking. On penalties especially they're still floating, just... faster. This is my experience so far, played 12 exhibition matches
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That's sad to hear. I was looking forward to playing the game if and when I got tired of Fifa. I enjoy it right until a goal is scored. I look at the replays and then end up turning the game off. The lack of fouls are bad enough, but I don't understand how you can have a game where the keepers do this.

I guess it must be a design choice by Konami, but I don't remember them doing things like that on PS1 and PS2...surprised people are not making more of a fuss about it. If you look at a replay of a low shot, you can see the keeper not only dives late, but it's two handed and he only reaches full stretch once the ball has gone past him....I'll concede this will happen in real life otherwise a goal would never be scored...but it's every shot more or less, that slowing down of the game when they dive is a mystery to me as well.
 
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fernadez said:
That's sad to hear. I was looking forward to playing the game if and when I got tired of Fifa. I enjoy it right until a goal is scored. I look at the replays and then end up turning the game off. The lack of fouls are bad enough, but I don't understand how you can have a game where the keepers do this.

I guess it must be a design choice by Konami, but I don't remember them doing things like that on PS1 and PS2...surprised people are not making more of a fuss about it. If you look at a replay of a low shot, you can see the keeper not only dives late, but it's two handed and he only reaches full stretch once the ball has gone past him....I'll concede this will happen in real life otherwise a goal would never be scored...but it's every shot more or less, that slowing down of the game when they dive is a mystery to me as well.
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Exactly. To me it feels that the keepers, instead of trying to palm the ball away, they're rather trying to sit on it, like, with their torso, if that makes sense :ROLL:
 
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pacpes said:
It's mind-boggling. It happened both to my keeper and the opposing gk. They save some of the most difficult shots and concede the easiest ones.:SHOCK:
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This shouldn't be shocking, this is the exact same issue PES 2015 had. 90% of CPU goals are tapped/rolled along the ground into the corners. The GK stands watching and only dives as the ball is about to cross the goal line. Given Konami didn't fix this, I assume it's an intentional gameplay design choice on their part to make the game fun for casual gamers, fun meaning lots of easy goals.
 
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It's a PS3 port but still basing on FOX and Havok engine. I have both PC and PS4 the gameplay, animation and physics are exactly similar. Goalkeepers are similar as well. Don't know why some people keep saying it is a different engine.
 
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angus said:
This shouldn't be shocking, this is the exact same issue PES 2015 had. 90% of CPU goals are tapped/rolled along the ground into the corners. The GK stands watching and only dives as the ball is about to cross the goal line. Given Konami didn't fix this, I assume it's an intentional gameplay design choice on their part to make the game fun for casual gamers, fun meaning lots of easy goals.
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Yes realised this long ago. But it ain't no fun when all your hard worked build up play ends with the goalkeeper saving it and one gentle tap of the ball ends up being a goal. There's no satisfaction in scoring. Let alone the fact that I damaged my floor because of how many times I threw the controller after conceding some of the stupidest goals ever. All because goalkeepers are floaty! Hope a gameplay patch will at least halve these issues.

losslesscompression said:
Don't know why some people keep saying it is a different engine.
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Who said that? Of course it's the same engine, just dumbed-down
 
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pacpes said:
Hope a gameplay patch will at least halve these issues.
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It's like groundhog day every year with this game, 24 hours after release day everyone's hoping for gameplay patches and fixes that never come.
 
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angus said:
It's like groundhog day every year with this game, 24 hours after release day everyone's hoping for gameplay patches and fixes that never come.
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:LOL: Hey at it least it brings the community together! :P
 
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I can now say after playing alot of AI V AI games that keepers are either borked in places OR shooting overpowered, silly scoring levels at the moment. I can now understand the posts here about keepers and "always goal" posts.

24 hours after release day everyone's hoping for gameplay patches and fixes that never come.
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I look to Nesa etc for AI fixes these days.

Im modding bits and pieces slowly for 16 but am filmy "playing" 15 for now.

Im also finding through ball advanced with the marker is not acting correctly its "sticking" and not responding as it should like 15 with my right stick and its not my controller.

If I want to curl a long ball in 15 I simply use the bend of the throughball option (curve my right stick and icon moves the same) the marker is a fluent bend reaction as I pass, in 16 it sticks half way or has even as I let go .. gone backwards .... ?? Full manual/advance settings same as 15.

Anyone know why or experienced this? :BORED: Is there new features to this now? I might have to check the training for advanced through ball.

Im a big user of this feature and at the moment causing me to go back to 15 for now.
 
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Just downloaded the demo...is Juventus Stadium the only one in the demo or am I missing something? ;)
 
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I've been critical for many years about PES, but this year i like it a lot. Not without flaws, but much, much improvment than previews years.

The responsiveness is brilliant and it's the key i believe. Passing have also been improved.

What they should sort out:

1. variation on shooting (more error depending player stats). The same with passing to prevent ping-pong situations. I know manual is the answer, but i'm assisted (stats based) lover.
2. Better detection system cause game don't whilst fouls thar actually are.
3. Cursor change, lock to one player and in some situations (when the ball is closer to other player) we can't change to him.
4. Locked seems to be and passing direction. When we select direction and the last minute we want to pass the ball to another player, we can't, cause game take into account our first action.
5. Tackling should be free and not lock to player and ball, but to the direction we choose to fall.

The first one is more difficult and maybe we have to wait until PES 2017. But 2-4, is not a big deal and KONAMI can change them in 1-2 months.

Anyway. Lets see what first update will change.

Guys what about online? I started MyClub and the input lag is painful. Whats your experiences?
 
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Increase Keepers Defensive Prowess rating/ability to 99 works wonders. Saw some stunning saves yesterday. Yes the CPU still finishes to the side of goals within 6-7 yards, but the keepers actually dive in the right direction.

http://www.twitch.tv/matt10l/v/16875760
 
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The game play in general is really good, but the game is way too easy,

The AI is plays a way to open game, its easy to pick a pass through.

The AI plays football in the wrong area's (in front of their own penalty area) and is easy to disposes, leading to easy goals.

The long ball over the top is way to effective

The keepers are extremely poor with shots close to them

The AI scores only low shots into the corner.

What needs to be done to improve the game, is the defensive awareness needs to upped dramatically, defenders strength needs to be up'd considerably, as they are too easy to knock off the ball. i would say a defenders speed increase wouldn't be a bad thing either.
 
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I actually saw 2 players to slip during rainy match .
 
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I hope they fix the lack of fouls , i've had 4 fouls given to me in 12 games.... spoils it.
 
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this game could have potential is refs are fixed. they almost never whistle a foul, even if it's clear call.

just fix the damn refs!

can soneone who has twitter account post this issue to @officialpes? that lack of fouls is game breaker.
 
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Hawke said:
I hope they fix the lack of fouls , i've had 4 fouls given to me in 12 games.... spoils it.
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Unfortunately they never addressed them in PES 2015, so I don't hold up much hope of them being fixed this year. On the subject of lack of Ai fouls, at the end of one game I had, the match summary indicated that my Ai opponent committed 4 fouls but I clearly recall none were committed by them. Really strange!:CONFUSE:
 
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One more note, konami should have to fix the grass is horrible. A PS4 files "konami have that" need it urgently.
 
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And konami should fix pass assistance level, i cant see any difference it is level 3 or level 1 :BLEH:
 
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Paynekiller said:
Unfortunately they never addressed them in PES 2015, so I don't hold up much hope of them being fixed this year. On the subject of lack of Ai fouls, at the end of one game I had, the match summary indicated that my Ai opponent committed 4 fouls but I clearly recall none were committed by them. Really strange!:CONFUSE:
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because fans on twitter were not so active demanding them to fix it.

we need to push them on social networks about that issue and maybe it will work this time.
 
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MadbaLL said:
because fans on twitter were not so active demanding them to fix it.

we need to push them on social networks about that issue and maybe it will work this time.
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Konami always never listen. :(
 
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MadbaLL said:
because fans on twitter were not so active demanding them to fix it.

we need to push them on social networks about that issue and maybe it will work this time.
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How to do it? I was trying to twit them in twiter but the access was denied. So i dont know where to find Konami team.
 
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What do you think of the pass support? I mean last year was quite good, but i can understand why they tweaked that. pass support 1 is just...ridiculous. Can get the ball to the palyer i want in many situations..
 
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Yesterday I was extremely frustrated with the game but after running these 2 commands found here http://www.evo-web.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=75528 it's like a new game.
Playing Master League with Sampdoria on -1 gamespeed and 0 pass assist, in windowed mode and using the Ultra HD turf, and, to my surprise, it's probably the best footy game I've ever played. No shit. And this is coming from someone who has slated PES and Konami for a good 3 years :SHOCK:

There are problems. Pretty big ones, the most glaring of which are:
GK's diving too late,
the lack of fouls (and cards, esp. on sliding tackles),
CPU always scoring the same type of goals
The limited customisation of the camera

but with the settings I'm using, including lowering the foley SFX a lot and the commentary nearly as much, it's the most authentic footy experience I've played in a long time, if not ever. Whilst many of the goals aren't that satisfying due to the GK issue, passing it about is very satisfying

If they , or the modding community, could fix the above problems, PES 16 - even on PC with it's nerfed lighting/GFX - it'd be very close to the ultimate football game
 
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