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Yeesh. I was expecting a little criticism at the very least. I'll have a look at the trailer tomorrow with my faster internet connection at work.
 
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Among the most unimaginative and dull teaser of all time.....and u simply do not go at e3 to show this average little nothing. I have the feeling the extra 200 men are people posting random defense of corporate mistakes all over the internet...
 
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Ok.

The trailer is meh.

But as has been already stated,many graphical changes have still to be implemented.

Badgerman-Keep your chin up mate...I can feel your disappointment through my monitor.

I still have a good feeling that konami are really going to do something big with this game.

Maybe the sucky trailer is deliberate?
It takes the pressure off imo, when people are already writing the game off,as time drags on...something...maybe just something...will turn this battle of the football genre on its head.

I just don't believe that konami will allow this to happen...

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There is one thing for certain Konami will not have deliberately released a poor trailer, though lets keep it real here it showed very little and it's crazy to write it off on just that...
 
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The trailer doesn't make this one feel any different from the last two games, that's what is so weird. This was supposed to be a completely different and much better game so why not show us what the difference really will be about. I mean the animations looks the same. The light is better but that's the least important bit really.

That said I really don't think it will be just the same as the last two games, because they have said that they've been working on this version for several years, like EA did with their new engine (even if PES will have the same engine). I mean if this is not it, what will be their excuse? Surely it will be a big step up, even if it might not be as realistic as the console versions of FIFA 10 probably will be. PES will still dominate the PC market though, but if EA started to port the console version I think Konami would be in big trouble. Maybe that is the real wake up call they need.
 
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jambotommy said:
Ok.

The trailer is meh.

But as has been already stated,many graphical changes have still to be implemented.

Badgerman-Keep your chin up mate...I can feel your disappointment through my monitor.
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Err, I've posted 3 times or so since the trailer was released. A couple of them were about the predictable evo-web reaction whilst the other was a general "meh" to the trailer and "hmmm" to the screenshots.

Infact, I started the "meh to the trailer" fad, yet I don't think that everyone who has picked up on it (yourself included) is reeking of desperation. It's more a case of this game is meant to be addressing previous faults, yet we've been given a trailer highlighting this new tactical thingamajig.

I've been harping on wenb for quite a bit, because I enjoy effort posts and you lot don't appreciate my artistic integrity, and over there I've been saying how when your house is on fire, you don't go a draw up blueprints for a conservatory or start cleaning your windows.

You get your kids and shit out of there sharpish.

Another way of putting it say that you've got child services on the way (us fans) to see whether or not you're fit parents. Right now the kids are dressed in potato sacks, covered in soot with bloody noses. The priority is to get them cleaned up quickly, buying them a nice pair of shoes isn't really going to solve the issue at hand.

So for me, this trailer didn't really solve anything for me. I don't know where the game is in development, what we can expect to see in the future and, most importantly, how the game is going to play like. I'd like to have something to form an opinion on but there's no real meat to this sandwich, although it is amusing to see the various proclamations of the series being dead (third year running, corpse football woop).

I don't know. Moan about the trailer, yes, because that shit was not helpful in the slightest. But slating the game is a bit too premature considering we've seen none of it.
 
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Says it all!!!!! The graphics are FINE.
I want the graphics to be superb but from the trailer they look much the same. Early days yet so no point in getting too upset :)
 
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I do think Konami are very weak on PR side, this habit of keeping everything close to the chests clearly does nothing for raising the excitement or expectation of the fan base...
 
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Nick Cave said:
I do think Konami are very weak on PR side, this habit of keeping everything close to the chests clearly does nothing for raising the excitement or expectation of the fan base...
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There is no such thing as being weak or strong on the PR side, you either have good stuff to show or you don't.

Certainly if you know that you're going to do more harm than good then of course you'd want to keep everything hush hush.

It's basically what was suggested in the latest podcast by WENB, don't reveal the bad stuff and release only the good stuff in small doses to keep the fanbase excited. Is that the way to treat the fanbase? By deluding them more and more?

This is why they were so surprised by seeing the trailer. Konami promised them lots of things and obviously they've yet to see those things, and they have no idea how to justify them anymore.
 
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wow....all we saw were 5 screenshots, a teaser trailer...and the response is massive.

I just love how people can take such small info given to them at such an early time and start writing the game off already. Start complaining about the poor graphics (which i personally feel is alright already...gameplay is more important), poor gameplay, poor tactics.

I do agree that Konami's PR sucks big time. That's something they've never been good with in terms of PES. Their team just ain't good with PR stuff (unlike Kojima who has his own PR team).

But as FIFA is still only around 50% done, I don't think Konami will be expressing all their new changes and such being afraid that EA might just add them in (Be A Legend for example). Also as someone mentioned before, their motion capture was just done last week or two, so it is way too early for these trailers to have included these motion captures and their old running styles be taken out completely.

Final line: Please bear in mind this is JUST a TEASER Trailer. Even thought it might not have teased you at all, don't start destroying the game yet, more info is yet to come, more details will come, and until October, no one can be 100% to say that this game is crap like 2008/2009.
 
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LOGANiSE said:
There is no such thing as being weak or strong on the PR side
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Thanks for the heads up that the rest of your post was going to be utter nonsense.

That sentence alone is mental enough as it is. But when you put it into the context of Konami vs EA then, well, cor blimey.

Apple, EA, Nintendo, Lynx - These would be companies that are pretty capable when it comes to organising a PR campaign. Conversely, I'd say that Ashley Cole, Labour, Max Mosley, North Korea and Chemical Ali are not who would go to when seeking PR advice.

Konami are terrible at PR. I have never seen a company with such a successful product, doing their best to undercut themselves and drive fans away. Actually, it's kind of similar to F1 in that those in control (FIA) don't seem to have a grip on what the fanbase actually wants.
 
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found this on PESFan....

"It's the same graphics engine that has been used in previous years, but for me the time the PES Team has spent tweaking the engine over the past few months has been time well spent. The action screenshots of the games between Liverpool and Barcelona were produced on the 18th May and the Messi pictures were produced a day later, so both the screenshots and the trailer were finalised well before the start of this month and before the now publicised motion capture session held in Barcelona last week.

The Messi pictures were more renders than screenshots, but the Torres screenshot in particular should be seen as a true representation of what PES 2010 will look like."

Not trying to defend the game or whatever, just saying...that more is to come. Hold your fire until the game is actually shown.
 
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Badgerman said:
Thanks for the heads up that the rest of your post was going to be utter nonsense.

That sentence alone is mental enough as it is. But when you put it into the context of Konami vs EA then, well, cor blimey.

Apple, EA, Nintendo, Lynx - These would be companies that are pretty capable when it comes to organising a PR campaign. Conversely, I'd say that Ashley Cole, Labour, Max Mosley, North Korea and Chemical Ali are not who would go to when seeking PR advice.

Konami are terrible at PR. I have never seen a company with such a successful product, doing their best to undercut themselves and drive fans away. Actually, it's kind of similar to F1 in that those in control (FIA) don't seem to have a grip on what the fanbase actually wants.
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WELL SAID!
 
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Badgerman said:
Thanks for the heads up that the rest of your post was going to be utter nonsense.

That sentence alone is mental enough as it is. But when you put it into the context of Konami vs EA then, well, cor blimey.

Apple, EA, Nintendo, Lynx - These would be companies that are pretty capable when it comes to organising a PR campaign. Conversely, I'd say that Ashley Cole, Labour, Max Mosley, North Korea and Chemical Ali are not who would go to when seeking PR advice.

Konami are terrible at PR. I have never seen a company with such a successful product, doing their best to undercut themselves and drive fans away. Actually, it's kind of similar to F1 in that those in control (FIA) don't seem to have a grip on what the fanbase actually wants.
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You missed the point, to create an excellent PR campaign you gotta have a sustainable amount of good stuff to show off and wow your fanbase, this is what's going to reflect your final product. Now tell me, do Konami have enough stuff to show off at this point, or ever? Clearly not.

Oh god.. same graphic engine, and people wonder why the baywatch animation and rigid movement is still there lol.

Konami & WENB have been screaming revolution for 2010 for years.. oh here it is, still using the same 3/4 year old engine. You clearly want to keep deluding yourselves which is quite astonishing and sad.
 
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LOGANiSE said:
They're using the "it's too early" excuse now, even though it's only a couple of months away, same as the past years. Except Konami have been working on PES 2010 for years supposedly.. LOL!
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EXACTLY. This game is probably 2-3 months from going gold, and if they have been working on 2010 for "years" as they say, they have NOTHING to show for it right now...
 
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LOGANiSE said:
You missed the point, to create an excellent PR campaign you gotta have a sustainable amount of good stuff to show off and wow your fanbase, this is what's going to reflect your final product.
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No.

A PR campaign isn't about shoving your product into the masses faces over and over. PR is such an intangible aspect of marketing, to generalise it to "you gotta have a sustainable amount of good stuff to show off and wow your fanbase" really just doesn't stand up. It's more about connecting with potential consumers and trying to draw in those that otherwise wouldn't be interested in the product that is being sold.

The better PR folks out there are able to sell their products without it being seen. Guinness are perhaps one of the better companies out there at doing this, this advert is perhaps the one that most stands out for me.

YouTube - Guinness Horse Surfer Ad

EA did a similar thing last year (I think) when they had Rooney playing Higuain (or whoever), that was one of the more memorable ads from last year despite my rather ironic forgetfulness. Actually EA were good with PR even when their products were dire, so that's pretty much that. Poking holes here isn't fun.

In short, Konami are just terrible when it comes to PES, even when the product was up to scratch they just were incapable of making the fact well known.
 
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Erm, sorry to be a pedant but those are advertisements. Quite separate from PR. Above the line vs below the line and all that, although admittedly those lines are becoming blurred.

The Guinness ad is an example of great advertising. The 'Wii Fit Girl' is an example of great PR.
 
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Guinness are quite savvy when it comes to marketing and that ad was part of a larger marketing campaign, but that's not to say that the advert didn't garner them a significant amount of good PR. Also the Guinness ad was brought up to refute the beliefe that you don't necessarily need a strong product presence in order to shift units.

The Fifa ad from last year also was part of a greater marketing campaign. Which was obviously was more successful when compared to whatever ads Konami released - which I'm struggling to remember it at all. At a guess, it included Messi? I think that ties in with the idea of Konami being traditionally weak with PR, whereas with EA, you have a company that are also quite media savvy and realise the importance of appeasing the masses.
 
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Joystick is right. Above and below the line are blurry as hell nowadays, and Konami is absurdly bad at both.
 
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Having PES based in Japan really isn't doing it any favours. Getting info via Google-translated articles is not how a community should be serviced, especially when you are shifting products in the millions.

I hope that they are going to be more open with the community, as they mentioned previously. If they only go so far as to pay us lip service then an almighty poo-storm will unfold. I wouldn't put it beyond them either, they've done themselves no end of harm in recent years and they've got to adapt their approach.
 
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You can't completely write off PES yet, yes it does look inevitable that FIFA will be better once again but PES could still be a game worth having this year if they have put a lot of work into it.
 
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Sorry for being negative but let me sum up the disappointment of the past 2 years in PES.

2008 - Ignored the negative hands-on reviews. Believed every word that WENB said and went ahead and bought the game thinking that, just like every year, people aren't used to it and it will eventually grow on you to the point where you cannot go back to the previous versions.

2009 - Did not believe a damn word out of WENB regardless of all the BS "early build" talk about the videos. I was determined to give the demo a shot and decide for myself and, obviously, it wasn't the game for me. PES 5 is light years ahead. FIFA, on the other hand, had a kickass demo and preview videos which were also based on an "early build". Why people expect the final 10-15% of completion to magically change the game inside out is really beyond me.

2010 - Remember we were promised a new engine this year. After the initial surge of adrenaline by Konami promising a revolutionary game and bringing the release date forward, this trailer looks like a cover up for what seems to be another bluff by Konami. On the other hand, EA does a full hands-on session with the media and it seems like the game is improving on every aspect of an already great simulation given the feedback of multiple sources. What's ironic is that Konami's trailer revolved around the custom tactics rip off from FIFA which really sums up where they currently stand. After EA was, in recent years, accused of ripping off most gameplay elements from earlier Winning Eleven Games. I will give the demo a try this year too. However, I will not accept any bullshit about gameplay videos or the demo being not 100%. Sorry, being exposed to 80% gives me a good idea about the finished product to make up my mind. It doesn't look good for Konami.
 
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demolition said:
Sorry for being negative but let me sum up the disappointment of the past 2 years in PES.

2008 - Ignored the negative hands-on reviews. Believed every word that WENB said and went ahead and bought the game thinking that, just like every year, people aren't used to it and it will eventually grow on you to the point where you cannot go back to the previous versions.

2009 - Did not believe a damn word out of WENB regardless of all the BS "early build" talk about the videos. I was determined to give the demo a shot and decide for myself and, obviously, it wasn't the game for me. PES 5 is light years ahead. FIFA, on the other hand, had a kickass demo and preview videos which were also based on an "early build". Why people expect the final 10-15% of completion to magically change the game inside out is really beyond me.

2010 - Remember we were promised a new engine this year. After the initial surge of adrenaline by Konami promising a revolutionary game and bringing the release date forward, this trailer looks like a cover up for what seems to be another bluff by Konami. On the other hand, EA does a full hands-on session with the media and it seems like the game is improving on every aspect of an already great simulation given the feedback of multiple sources. What's ironic is that Konami's trailer revolved around the custom tactics rip off from FIFA which really sums up where they currently stand. After EA was, in recent years, accused of ripping off most gameplay elements from earlier Winning Eleven Games. I will give the demo a try this year too. However, I will not accept any bullshit about gameplay videos or the demo being not 100%. Sorry, being exposed to 80% gives me a good idea about the finished product to make up my mind. It doesn't look good for Konami.
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LOL, PES2010 just got demolished by demolition.

Let's just sit back and wait until the demo comes out, shall we?
 
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Any chance something new will be shown later today at the Konami e3 press conference?
 
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