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- 15 December 2007
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
This news are very interesting but nothing about new engine?not good!
This news are very interesting but nothing about new engine?not good!
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PES2010 discussion thread
- Thread starter ThomasGOAL
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Nick Cave
Wrexham fan for my sins...
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
Yep it's the same every time Chris, I doubt it will change unless the production team change...
Yep it's the same every time Chris, I doubt it will change unless the production team change...
tobi
"Clear Eyes Full Hearts Can't Lose."
- 5 August 2005
- Team
- Spurs, Suns and Cowboys
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
I hope they bring back R2 dribbling.
I hope they bring back R2 dribbling.
Badgerman
blep
- 21 August 2002
- Team
- portsmouth
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
It'll be interesting to see what they do with the Be a Legend thing, perhaps one of the few saving graces from 2009.
Master League, eh. I think I managed to wean myself off of it with WE10 when I had a strikeforce of Rooney, Zico and Brian Laudrup with my sole goal being to see which one of them would reach 1,000 goals first.
Safe to say that my brain oozed out of my ear and pooled on the floor (not before getting them all to 400+ goals, hell yeah)
Ever since I scooped it back in, I haven't been all that jazzed about ML. If I can't set myself some ridiculous goal and have a player like Zico to make it somewhat attainable.
Ok. I think all I want from the next PES is Zico to have the god ability. I know some of you harp on about Zidane and other such players how you could never get them off the ball. But me and Zico (I often use that phrase <3) were something special. If we had the ball you just let us play, end of.
Therefore it's sad to say that PES has seemingly gone out of it's way to make freekicks a lucky dip affair. If I get the EXACT same power and place the EXACT same level of curl whilst aiming at the precise location of the gap between 2 heads then I should be rewarded.
If I aim a free kick to bend around the wall and go in just inside the post, I do not want to see the player waddle up to the ball Peter Kay style and hoof it, a good 3 feet over the middle of the wall to have it end up 10 feet above the middle of the goal.
It's as if I'm trying to introduce finesse to a Burger King.
I'm not than anal about most things PES, but freekicks are where precise accuracy and nerdy physics come into play.
I often dream about scoring the perfect freekick. Striking a ball with power, round/just over the wall and have it curl beautifully into the top corner. When I pulled these off in PES games of old, my heart shed a tear, and when they went in off the bar, the entered my memory card.
Oh ah. Another thing is post/crossbar interaction. The ball needs to be able to hit the bar, bounce over the line and come back out. It just has to. That is how physics works. I know, hurr lammo giving it the big one about physics in PES, but a ball and a crossbar doesn't bring with it the complexities of two players sliding in for a ball.
Also make Portsmouth good please. Every single Pomp incarnation in PES has been hillariously shite as if we have offended the glorious nippon without realising.
Richard Hughes is not better than Niko Kranjcar.
I mean god damn, even the team that won the FA Cup was just a couple of players better than the Wigan's, Sunderland's and all those types.
Also about the engine. Eh again. If your car is dodgy you don't drive the thing into a moat and get a new one. The current game is dated by certain factors like poor animations, ball physics and modes. All of which can be rectified by a bit of work.
A new engine will require a good couple of years to get to where we are at now with 2009, so no thanks. Let's see if they can pull something out of the hat here, if not, and it becomes apparent that they are furiously polishing a turd, then I'm sure that this'll be the end of it.
Saying that though, PES 2010 sounds a bit like Brawn GP. They've been working it for a while (hurr honda gave up on their 2008 car) and who knows what they're going to produce come November.
It'll be interesting to see what they do with the Be a Legend thing, perhaps one of the few saving graces from 2009.
Master League, eh. I think I managed to wean myself off of it with WE10 when I had a strikeforce of Rooney, Zico and Brian Laudrup with my sole goal being to see which one of them would reach 1,000 goals first.
Safe to say that my brain oozed out of my ear and pooled on the floor (not before getting them all to 400+ goals, hell yeah)
Ever since I scooped it back in, I haven't been all that jazzed about ML. If I can't set myself some ridiculous goal and have a player like Zico to make it somewhat attainable.
Ok. I think all I want from the next PES is Zico to have the god ability. I know some of you harp on about Zidane and other such players how you could never get them off the ball. But me and Zico (I often use that phrase <3) were something special. If we had the ball you just let us play, end of.
Therefore it's sad to say that PES has seemingly gone out of it's way to make freekicks a lucky dip affair. If I get the EXACT same power and place the EXACT same level of curl whilst aiming at the precise location of the gap between 2 heads then I should be rewarded.
If I aim a free kick to bend around the wall and go in just inside the post, I do not want to see the player waddle up to the ball Peter Kay style and hoof it, a good 3 feet over the middle of the wall to have it end up 10 feet above the middle of the goal.
It's as if I'm trying to introduce finesse to a Burger King.
I'm not than anal about most things PES, but freekicks are where precise accuracy and nerdy physics come into play.
I often dream about scoring the perfect freekick. Striking a ball with power, round/just over the wall and have it curl beautifully into the top corner. When I pulled these off in PES games of old, my heart shed a tear, and when they went in off the bar, the entered my memory card.
Oh ah. Another thing is post/crossbar interaction. The ball needs to be able to hit the bar, bounce over the line and come back out. It just has to. That is how physics works. I know, hurr lammo giving it the big one about physics in PES, but a ball and a crossbar doesn't bring with it the complexities of two players sliding in for a ball.
Also make Portsmouth good please. Every single Pomp incarnation in PES has been hillariously shite as if we have offended the glorious nippon without realising.
Richard Hughes is not better than Niko Kranjcar.
I mean god damn, even the team that won the FA Cup was just a couple of players better than the Wigan's, Sunderland's and all those types.
Also about the engine. Eh again. If your car is dodgy you don't drive the thing into a moat and get a new one. The current game is dated by certain factors like poor animations, ball physics and modes. All of which can be rectified by a bit of work.
A new engine will require a good couple of years to get to where we are at now with 2009, so no thanks. Let's see if they can pull something out of the hat here, if not, and it becomes apparent that they are furiously polishing a turd, then I'm sure that this'll be the end of it.
Saying that though, PES 2010 sounds a bit like Brawn GP. They've been working it for a while (hurr honda gave up on their 2008 car) and who knows what they're going to produce come November.
Chimps-with-quiffs
Champions League
- 11 August 2003
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
They say the same thing every year.
But, maybe, they might be telling the truth slightly more this year.
I reckon they have improve PES on next gen platforms this year or Fifa is going to start and leave them behind in way of sales and then it will start getting way too late to catch them in future years.
Each year I have edited the game to get it how I like it. PES2008 took ages and still didnt feel right, PES2009, ended up taking me a month or so to sort out, but once I did it, I still play on it a lot.
Hopefully, this years won't need as much editing.
They say the same thing every year.
But, maybe, they might be telling the truth slightly more this year.
I reckon they have improve PES on next gen platforms this year or Fifa is going to start and leave them behind in way of sales and then it will start getting way too late to catch them in future years.
Each year I have edited the game to get it how I like it. PES2008 took ages and still didnt feel right, PES2009, ended up taking me a month or so to sort out, but once I did it, I still play on it a lot.
Hopefully, this years won't need as much editing.
Punzz
Purple Monkey Dishwasher
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
Portsmouth players are weirdly rated on my PES, Badger. Utaka is some sort of god for some reason. Glen Johnson has the worst stats in the world. Then you had Defoe who was some sort of goalscoring god with 90+ agility before he left for spurs. Konami love overrating the England national team players (besides glen johnson it seems).
Bit off topic but harmless fun
I remember you mentioning Zico and his free kicks last year. Is he your favourite classic player? Mine would be Baresi.
My still main concern is still in-direct free kicks. Not realistic or accurate enough for me.
Portsmouth players are weirdly rated on my PES, Badger. Utaka is some sort of god for some reason. Glen Johnson has the worst stats in the world. Then you had Defoe who was some sort of goalscoring god with 90+ agility before he left for spurs. Konami love overrating the England national team players (besides glen johnson it seems).
Bit off topic but harmless fun
I remember you mentioning Zico and his free kicks last year. Is he your favourite classic player? Mine would be Baresi.
My still main concern is still in-direct free kicks. Not realistic or accurate enough for me.
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Badgerman
blep
- 21 August 2002
- Team
- portsmouth
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
It's almost as if they got a Southampton fan to rate our team because nothing is stranger for me as a Pomp fan to pick Utaka ahead of Johnson.
Utaka is terrible, he must have a strong Asian following.
The only player they have properly rated was Benjani. He was a brick shithouse and played like one too. Infact, the entire team in PES 2008 was comprised of shithouses that I used to bully anyone who picked Barca online, much to their annoyance.
Good times.
It's almost as if they got a Southampton fan to rate our team because nothing is stranger for me as a Pomp fan to pick Utaka ahead of Johnson.
Utaka is terrible, he must have a strong Asian following.
The only player they have properly rated was Benjani. He was a brick shithouse and played like one too. Infact, the entire team in PES 2008 was comprised of shithouses that I used to bully anyone who picked Barca online, much to their annoyance.
Good times.
Punzz
Purple Monkey Dishwasher
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
Diarra was really underated too I thought. The fact hes playing at Real Madrid now will give Konami a reason to add +10 to all his stats.
My mate used to have this tactic on the old PES's where he would stick Sol campbell up front for the last part of the game to get a goal. It actually worked quite well because he used to have around 93/94 body balance and 96 shot power or something crazy. It was like trying to tackle a brick wall. When he did score with him to win the game I just had to laugh :[
Diarra was really underated too I thought. The fact hes playing at Real Madrid now will give Konami a reason to add +10 to all his stats.
My mate used to have this tactic on the old PES's where he would stick Sol campbell up front for the last part of the game to get a goal. It actually worked quite well because he used to have around 93/94 body balance and 96 shot power or something crazy. It was like trying to tackle a brick wall. When he did score with him to win the game I just had to laugh :[
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
not good for me, only if it come with a GUN so we can ridicously aim where to shoot like that wii version! it will only be good if there is no aim at all, like FIFA. penalty system in fifa is perfect for me, so Konami could simply copy that!
Hello Badger and nice to see you back
Well now that you have a Mac I'm guessing we'll see more of your classic paintings
You can see the PES 2009 Wii PK system here:
http://winningelevenblog.com/blog/pes-2009-wii-video-shows-off-new-pk-system/
not good for me, only if it come with a GUN so we can ridicously aim where to shoot like that wii version! it will only be good if there is no aim at all, like FIFA. penalty system in fifa is perfect for me, so Konami could simply copy that!
Jamezinho
Golden Boot Winner
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
I'm quite optimistic about PES this year. It's do or die time for Konami and that's why I think they will pull something out of the bag this year. Konami are lucky to have such a strong fan base that are willing to give them a third chance after two abysmal releases, and that's why I can't turn my back on PES completely. Too many good times with the game.
Fifa is only a few tweaks away from crushing PES completely, so the pressure is on. I think the 200 extra staff at Konami can only be a good thing. They may only be there to add the visual fluff to the game, such as animations, that will help drag PES kicking and screaming into the 'next-gen' era, hopefully leaving Seabass and his team to work their magic on the gameplay.
I'm quite optimistic about PES this year. It's do or die time for Konami and that's why I think they will pull something out of the bag this year. Konami are lucky to have such a strong fan base that are willing to give them a third chance after two abysmal releases, and that's why I can't turn my back on PES completely. Too many good times with the game.
Fifa is only a few tweaks away from crushing PES completely, so the pressure is on. I think the 200 extra staff at Konami can only be a good thing. They may only be there to add the visual fluff to the game, such as animations, that will help drag PES kicking and screaming into the 'next-gen' era, hopefully leaving Seabass and his team to work their magic on the gameplay.
Soul
Banned
- 22 July 2008
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
To be honest, they don't give you much info about the ML. It says...
It sounds good and all, but i was hoping to hear about more divisions/leagues and teams added to the ML. I think that's one of the important thing the ML needs. It need more divisions/leagues, instead of that limited division bullshit they've had on the previous PES games.
To be honest, they don't give you much info about the ML. It says...
It sounds good and all, but i was hoping to hear about more divisions/leagues and teams added to the ML. I think that's one of the important thing the ML needs. It need more divisions/leagues, instead of that limited division bullshit they've had on the previous PES games.
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Thiago Maycon
Apaixonado por PES
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
finally Konami has spoken! and "target" 10 vs 10 is real, we can have this one day in Pes. And will the Master League be completely different Like fifa manager?
finally Konami has spoken! and "target" 10 vs 10 is real, we can have this one day in Pes. And will the Master League be completely different Like fifa manager?
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hk'
Manchester United Fan
- 14 October 2008
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
i can say i'm very excited about this one
new graphics, PK system and animations are fine for me!
i can say i'm very excited about this one
new graphics, PK system and animations are fine for me!
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Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
I hope so Thiago. Well not exactly like Fifa but i'm hoping for something different, atleast an indepth managerial mode.
I hope so Thiago. Well not exactly like Fifa but i'm hoping for something different, atleast an indepth managerial mode.
Thiago Maycon
Apaixonado por PES
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
I also hope Lami. But unfortunately I have no ps3 only ps2. But my cousin has the X-Box360, and I can give all the possible news. Some information on the situation in playstaion 2 console? or will things be the same of 2009?
I also hope Lami. But unfortunately I have no ps3 only ps2. But my cousin has the X-Box360, and I can give all the possible news. Some information on the situation in playstaion 2 console? or will things be the same of 2009?
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hk'
Manchester United Fan
- 14 October 2008
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
a very crappy cover i made, trying to illustrate a possible one for PES 2010
a very crappy cover i made, trying to illustrate a possible one for PES 2010
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Thiago Maycon
Apaixonado por PES
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
Nice cover Hique. Can use as my signature?
a very crappy cover i made, trying to illustrate a possible one for PES 2010
Nice cover Hique. Can use as my signature?
Punzz
Purple Monkey Dishwasher
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
Don't think evo-web allows images in signatures mate.
Nice cover Hique. Can use as my signature?
Don't think evo-web allows images in signatures mate.
HOMERSIMPSON
Psn: mdotk
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
Can I use this nice cover as my avatar?
Can I use this nice cover as my avatar?
Thiago Maycon
Apaixonado por PES
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
Friend had not noticed. I am not going by the picture in my signature!
Friend had not noticed. I am not going by the picture in my signature!
tobi
"Clear Eyes Full Hearts Can't Lose."
- 5 August 2005
- Team
- Spurs, Suns and Cowboys
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
Messi is the best player in the world, its a no brainier to have him on the cover again.
Messi is the best player in the world, its a no brainier to have him on the cover again.
Nick Cave
Wrexham fan for my sins...
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
The fact it's still being touted as the ML fills me with dread...
DavidBushell
Absolute Animal
- 14 May 2004
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
I think what we're seeing here is the 'recalibration' of expectation - we're all used to Pro Evo not blowing our minds having had 2 years of mediocrity and now we're all expecting something good but not amazing, meaning it'll take less this year to make us happy than it ever has.
And yeah - the Braun theory could hold some water. Personally, I think people have been blinded by what is a 'technically' impressive Fifa but, IMO, Fifa is still not as 'fun' as PES, even if PES is now the more basic game.
PES' core engine is still miles better than that of Fifa, but Fifa have developed far far more functionality around their core engine to hide this fact - ball physics, collision detection and computer AI are what make up the 'core' engine (in my definition) and I still believe that PES is still winning these battles but have lost the fans by not 'changing enough stuff' over the years.
I'm interested in PES 2010 as, much like how PES 3 took the series up a gear on the PS2, the 3rd iteration on the PS3 will be looking to emulate this success all those years ago...
I think what we're seeing here is the 'recalibration' of expectation - we're all used to Pro Evo not blowing our minds having had 2 years of mediocrity and now we're all expecting something good but not amazing, meaning it'll take less this year to make us happy than it ever has.
And yeah - the Braun theory could hold some water. Personally, I think people have been blinded by what is a 'technically' impressive Fifa but, IMO, Fifa is still not as 'fun' as PES, even if PES is now the more basic game.
PES' core engine is still miles better than that of Fifa, but Fifa have developed far far more functionality around their core engine to hide this fact - ball physics, collision detection and computer AI are what make up the 'core' engine (in my definition) and I still believe that PES is still winning these battles but have lost the fans by not 'changing enough stuff' over the years.
I'm interested in PES 2010 as, much like how PES 3 took the series up a gear on the PS2, the 3rd iteration on the PS3 will be looking to emulate this success all those years ago...
jonneymendoza
Legend
- 1 January 2004
- Team
- Arsenal
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
i disagree. the ball physics, animations, sound, graphics,Game modes,Licencing and AI are all bad in PES games now
i disagree. the ball physics, animations, sound, graphics,Game modes,Licencing and AI are all bad in PES games now
TikTikTikTikTik
*****
- 7 August 2004
- Team
- Liverpool
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
Or they were just bored and wanted to start the fanboy wars early
Oh Badgerman, Ive missed you this past year!! Mainly because Ive had no wish to enter this part of the forums. I'll probably recede back to where I came from but it was great to read your posts again!
Or they were just bored and wanted to start the fanboy wars early
Oh Badgerman, Ive missed you this past year!! Mainly because Ive had no wish to enter this part of the forums. I'll probably recede back to where I came from but it was great to read your posts again!
neil
League 2
- 30 April 2006
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
Hey Chaps,
Not been on Evo Web for months. Great to see that the usual crowd are posting again and the excitement is building already!
I think it all sounds very promising but I'm reserving judgement with all the Teamvision 2 pish etc. Heard it all before!
Harsh comments to ThomasGoal- not too sure how accurate his info has been over the last couple of years tbh but his comments are always an intersting read so keep it up the good work Thomas.
Re the penalties- someone mentined the N64 ISS method and criticised it I think. I actually thought it was a great system- at least there was some skill and technique to taking them. Great how the accuracy boxes were smaller for the better players and you could turn off the indicator to try and fool your opponent. Better than the PES method of hitting down-left and shoot for instance, hoping you're not unlucky enough for your man to put it wide.
I think the control system needs to be changed a little for the PS3 version as the R2 and L2 triggers don't work well at all- they take too long to fully depress with their trigger functionality being irrelevant. Reckon they could be utilised for manual passing power perhaps or alternatively, if the status quo, any depression whatsover should register rather then the whole depression being needed. I just never used them in PES2009 at all. Also, I hated how the tricks were no longer on the right joypad- never grasped them in PES2009 at all.
Never been a great poster on the forum guys but always an interested reader- keep it up!! Getting excited about this new version.
Cheers
Neil
Hey Chaps,
Not been on Evo Web for months. Great to see that the usual crowd are posting again and the excitement is building already!
I think it all sounds very promising but I'm reserving judgement with all the Teamvision 2 pish etc. Heard it all before!
Harsh comments to ThomasGoal- not too sure how accurate his info has been over the last couple of years tbh but his comments are always an intersting read so keep it up the good work Thomas.
Re the penalties- someone mentined the N64 ISS method and criticised it I think. I actually thought it was a great system- at least there was some skill and technique to taking them. Great how the accuracy boxes were smaller for the better players and you could turn off the indicator to try and fool your opponent. Better than the PES method of hitting down-left and shoot for instance, hoping you're not unlucky enough for your man to put it wide.
I think the control system needs to be changed a little for the PS3 version as the R2 and L2 triggers don't work well at all- they take too long to fully depress with their trigger functionality being irrelevant. Reckon they could be utilised for manual passing power perhaps or alternatively, if the status quo, any depression whatsover should register rather then the whole depression being needed. I just never used them in PES2009 at all. Also, I hated how the tricks were no longer on the right joypad- never grasped them in PES2009 at all.
Never been a great poster on the forum guys but always an interested reader- keep it up!! Getting excited about this new version.
Cheers
Neil
f to the vipe
that's great
- 8 July 2005
- Team
- FC Porto
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
If they didnt include a new gameplay engine I really hope they went back to the ps2 games, and worked on this new one from there. Just forget 2008 and 2009 ever existed.. burn every hard drive or disc including builds from those games.
If they didnt include a new gameplay engine I really hope they went back to the ps2 games, and worked on this new one from there. Just forget 2008 and 2009 ever existed.. burn every hard drive or disc including builds from those games.
tc811
Resident Evo-Web Retard
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
That's a good point, assuming that ML is just going to get minor tweaks like 2009 did with 2008 means that KONAMI is really going to have to deliver on the gameplay front and throw out the 2008/2009 system, it's way too dated and it seems like an imitation of rather than an actual improvement of the PES 4/5/6 engine. Let's hope they don't f*ck than fans in their ears again...
LOL, I just read this after I posted:
Let's see if everybody can get this and determine whether or not they want to buy PES 2010 next year.
That's a good point, assuming that ML is just going to get minor tweaks like 2009 did with 2008 means that KONAMI is really going to have to deliver on the gameplay front and throw out the 2008/2009 system, it's way too dated and it seems like an imitation of rather than an actual improvement of the PES 4/5/6 engine. Let's hope they don't f*ck than fans in their ears again...
LOL, I just read this after I posted:
Let's see if everybody can get this and determine whether or not they want to buy PES 2010 next year.