PES2010 discussion thread

Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread (PC + 360 demos out now!)

so the drag back move is gone????
and i miss the old feints moves:(
damn i need a tut. of pes2010
 
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Putuco Malo said:
There is an option when you asked to play with the computer or human, the one at the right. Also, in the pause menu, there is one option too but I dont remember the name so dont panic, is there...
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Found it man thank you :)
 
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Coming from 2 hours of play on ps3.

Sad tu say that I'm disappointed. I was expecting something good but it is quite unplayable.
I really think that in some aspects it is worse than 2009.
I felt so FIFAish and dramatically scripted.

Never felt before less control than in this pes.

I hope final ver will be massively improved or I'm going to be crazy.
 
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I guess the worst down of the game is exactly that, you feel not in control sometimes and that sucks. I dont feel the game so scripted like before and in no way is worst that PES 2009. Just without the automated tackles it is better...
 
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Junka said:
so the drag back move is gone????
and i miss the old feints moves:(
damn i need a tut. of pes2010
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Hold L2/LT and press back with the right stick.

It took me two hours to realise L2 and the right stick activated some tricks.
 
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Putuco Malo said:
I guess the worst down of the game is exactly that, you feel not in control sometimes and that sucks. I dont feel the game so scripted like before and in no way is worst that PES 2009. Just without the automated tackles it is better...
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Mate, as I can't feel in control for me this is a major issue. With pes2009 collisions and tackles was better I think, maybe I'm wrong and I need to get used but at the moment I feel so.
It's a bit like playing fifa and this is absolutely not good.

I love pes to be "solid", this 2010 doesn't make me feel it solid.
 
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mr_man said:
You played with analogue right?
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Yep. Didnt even know u could u use dpad. Seems more than 8 directions but didnt seem like 360 to me. U still cant get the players to move in slight little directions.
 
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread (PC + 360 demos out now!)

i'll say it again
Konami made the new record
the 1st game ever that made early codes better than final one !
i dn knw :(
the last vid i've seen 2 weeks ago (England vs Germany) was great
the game was slow
animations were great
nets was okay
Konami jus take all of this to give us worse code than Gamescom one !!
 
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After playing both the FIFA and PES demo I like the PES a little better. The play is a bit sluggish but it seems better than FIFA. Does anyone know when this demo build is from? I'm hoping the final build is more polished than this.

The graphics look a lot better than PES09 and the camera angle is as always, a lot better than that of FIFA. I guess we can't fully customize the the controller configuration? I like to sprint using the RT instead of RB and there is no way of getting rid of the radar at the bottom of the screen. I hope we have a few more choices in the final retail game.
 
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i hate to say this but .. am not gonna buy the game this year if Konami did not remove those fu*** nets
before any 1 thinking that nets is the most important thing for me .. no it's not
but my point is why would i buy Konami game while they didn't show any respect for fan's suggestions
no new nets , no new cameras , no fixing for basketball shorts , keepers looks shit like those in pes 2008
am wondering what were the 200 extra people working on the game this year do !!
what if Konami had at least 15 lecinsed leagues with 73 stadiums like fifa !! i think they would need 3 years to introduce their game !
 
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread (PC + 360 demos out now!)

wow some noobs here get random tricks that they cant control how or when to do them and say the game actually has some tricks
 
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread (PC + 360 demos out now!)

Hy guys. I played a lot of matchs in the top difficult level (Estrela, in portuguese), for the PC version of the demo.
I played with Barcelona, Liverpool, Italy, Spain and Germany. I won 07 matchs, lost 02 and draw 01.
My pros and cons are:

PROS:
- Amazing graphics, with excellent textures, nice turfs, stunning lightning and very quality models of players;
- The teams which you play against, are simulations of the "real-world" ones. Barcelona is very offensive, Liverpool, is very compact at the defense, Italy plays using the midfield a lot...;
- The top players really make the difference, they have a "genuine fell", when you control then;
- Is more harder now to dribble;
- The rhythm, the speed and the pace of the game is very good;
- Improved ball physics;
- Very improved A.I. for the midfielders and defenders,
- Improved A.I. to the fowards;
- Tactics Menu is very functional and effective;
- Good music and menus;
- No loadings.

CONS:
- Very crap A.I. for the goalkeepers;
- Lots of own goals (to be true, there was for me or to the CPU, at least, one goal in SEVEN matchs! Simply unbelievable!!!);
- The sound of the ball looks like a watermelon;
- The sound of the crowd/supporters/fans is VERY poor;
- A little bit unresponsive controls;
- Player's physics of contact is a little bit better, but light-years of distance from the EA's game;
- The animations aren't that good. There are lots of new animations, but ALL of them looks like old-gen, especially the master-trash-running animation;
- Very crap A.I. for the goalkeepers (yes, it's need to be mentioned again!).

So, said that (sorry for my bad/poor english), i think the game is a GREAT improvement from the last version. The gameplay is great, very fun, and potentially very deep. I think, which in this year we will have two great football/soccer games, both with pros and cons. IF, the online gameplay for the PES 2010 works well, so it will be a great buy, to fans and no fans.
Again, sorry for my bad english. :))
 
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread (PC + 360 demos out now!)

this game is looking as hot as ffffudge!!! on down side you cant dribble too much with R1 but hopefully it should make for better passing/teamwork goals......... other negative is that this is only the demo lol cant waaaait :(
 
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After many hours on PES2010 , i try PES 2009 and my reaction was : :SHOCK: OMG , pes 2009 is much , much , much better game , great response , great fake shots, super cancel and other tricks like R1+L1, the ball phisic is much better ...
If that build is final , the " king" is dead for me !
 
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AntrAcs_A said:
After many hours on PES2010 , i try PES 2009 and my reaction was : :SHOCK: OMG , pes 2009 is much , much , much better game , great response , great fake shots, super cancel and other tricks like R1+L1, the ball phisic is much better ...
If that build is final , the " king" is dead for me !
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for the last line
100% agree
this would be the 70 % code that tasted last july
i wish seabass would confrim that what we played was a 2 monthes older code
 
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hardy94 said:
for the last line
100% agree
this would be the 70 % code that tasted last july
i wish seabass would confrim that what we played was a 2 monthes older code
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But m8 , there's no reason to release demo whit old code ! Look
http://uk.games.konami-europe.com/blog.do

This guy say " Get your hands on the demo and feel the brand-new gameplay!" Well ,if that is the new gameplay , i don't like it.
 
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Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread (PC + 360 demos out now!)

AntrAcs_A said:
But m8 , there's no reason to release demo whit old code ! Look
http://uk.games.konami-europe.com/blog.do

This guy say " Get your hands on the demo and feel the brand-new gameplay!" Well ,if that is the new gameplay , i don't like it.
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i dn like it too
if demo is newer than gamescom code
the only hope remains that guys in Konami for once in their life LISTEN to the fans and fix bad things .. slow responsive, shit loose nets , bad through passes
 
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I like the demo, feels better than 2009, the demo is always a little different from the final version.

Today I'm starting a tournament with the demo, 6 teams, 30 games, league format.

I'll let you know how it goes
 
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AntrAcs_A said:
After many hours on PES2010 , i try PES 2009 and my reaction was : :SHOCK: OMG , pes 2009 is much , much , much better game , great response , great fake shots, super cancel and other tricks like R1+L1, the ball phisic is much better ...
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You know what, I agree completely.

In the cold light of day, and after the 'Honeymoon' period, I'm starting to feel alot different. They are is much I like about the game that I mentioned yesterday, but I do feel at times its very Fifa-esque.

Although the ball feels heavier, I'm totally not impressed with the shooting, and the response times around this. I showed all my PES mates/fans it last night and they preferred PES 2009, and I must admit, even with the flaws, so do I.

PES 2009 feels like PES, PES 2010 feels like a cross between Fifa and PES.

After playing 2009 last night in a tournament, I went back to PES 2010 for another 4 games against my mate and we both felt the same.

The shooting is so unresponsive and has very little variation in direction, swerve, whip etc etc. The snapshots seem to have disappeared.

I still love the first touch and the better more fluid animations, but I dont feel like I'm in as much control as I'd like. Response times are the most important thing for me.

I do welcome the new simulation style play to an extent, but it still needs to remain fun. And I'm not massively feeling this. It does keep me coming back, but only in hope that what I dont like will hopefully sort itself out. But it doesnt.

I wont write it off yet, if the response issues are rectified, and the shooting gets tweaked, it could be a brilliant game with every else that it does well. But these a MASSIVE issues for me. And the bottom line is I just prefer PES 2009 after playing it again last night, after a full day of the PES 2010 demo.

If they sort out these issues then maybe I could love it as much as I do PES 2009. But at the moment, the day after, I feel a little down to be honest.

I speak my mind, and I say as I find, but this is how I feel. Unlike most I was seriously addicted to the PES 2009 demo and actually felt the full game lost a little from that. Although it still provided me, flaws and all, my best PES experience ever.


Edit - Just read this elsewhere and it sums it up for me perfectly.


think it's important to note that it isn't the general responsiveness which is an issue; it's only certain aspects during a game where it's particularly bad. Saying that, the responsiveness in these areas are so bad that it does have a significant impact on the general feeling of the game. The main problematic areas for me - 360 version, if that makes any difference - are:

- When the ball is arriving to you in the air and you wish to pass it to a fellow team-mate - either with your head or with your foot - the response times are terribly bad. You should be able to just tap the pass button and it performs the action when the ball arrives to you, but it just doesn't read it at all - sometimes you have to tap it repeatedly just for it to do as you have instructed.

- Shooting is another major problematic area for response times. After you've pressed the shoot button, it takes far too long for the player to react and shoot as you have instructed; if you're in an attacking area of the pitch - which you're likely to be if you're shooting - it's too easy for your shot to be closed down because of the response times.

- The response times in dribbling are probably amongst the worst; it occassionally works as you have asked it to, whilst other times it simply responds far too late to your actions. This response issue tends to come into play when your player is turning to the side with the ball but, apart from that, I can't see a pattern with the response times in dribbling. The response times aren't as noticeable with Messi, but for everyone else it appears to be a major issue.

- The response times in passing are okay but, like the dribbling, it's rather inconsistent. For example, sometimes when I want to pass the ball first time without taking a touch, it does it fine without any problems. But I think the poor response times come into when dribbling with the ball and then wanting to pass instantly to a player - that's when the response times are more apparent.
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Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread (PC + 360 demos out now!)

I am trying not to sound biased whatsoever...

Aside from the graphics and a little addition of animation...

What else is new in PES2010?

Its getting stagnant really.
 
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sjeessssss crist, its just a DEMO
not Final game, ppl already killing it now.
anyway i like it and its deffo not PES2009!!!!
 
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Yeah I know Junka. If there is this initial period of what the hell....? it's a good thing. PES 3 was like that in that the whole damn game broke the mould of what we were accustomed to from PES 1 and 2.
 
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zeemeister said:
Yeah I know Junka. If there is this initial period of what the hell....? it's a good thing. PES 3 was like that in that the whole damn game broke the mould of what we were accustomed to from PES 1 and 2.
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That's exactly how I feel. I don't see the response issues tbh. I'm getting accustomed to how it should be played and really enjoying it.
 
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zeemeister said:
@ jimmy, WTF noooooooooo.I'm sure the response times will be addressed if it isn't theres always FIFA.
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I really couldnt go to Fifa mate. But I'm not giving up on PES 2010 either bud. There is so much I really like about it Zee, but am I a realist, and basically those issues need addressing for me to have that complete PES 'feel', something thats only unique to PES.

I appreciate the more sim feel they are looking to achieve which is great. I also appreciate that in order to do that in some cases compromises need to be made. I'm also fully aware it's the old, 'You need to get used to it and then it will feel great' aspect of PES games. Which for the most part is very true.

But Football is a game of instinct, whether I'm playing in real life, or on a video game, you know what your doing for the most part in advance. This speed of thought and implementation needs to be 'felt' in a football video game. The shooting for example, I always shoot based on the height of the ball, body position, footing, etc etc, and I feel on this demo, when I try to time the strike as I would in real life there is a delay that doesnt need to be there and takes alot of the feel off the strike and the following animation. This doesnt happen in 2009.

Shooting from distance is great if you have the time and space to hold down the power bar, but still feels too linear for me at the minute.

Obviously in real life, due to the speed of the current real game, improvisation is also a major factor. I just feel this demo is lacking in certain areas that lose a little of the 'feel' of PES. With response issues addressed, this can play like a different game. Thats what I want.

But after alot of thought and testing, I cant honestly put my name to it and say its amazing in hindsight and the best yet. I'm no fanboy, I say what I see, good or bad. Just sometimes it takes me a little longer to dissect all the technical aspects before making a final judgement.

Although this is only a demo, I'm worrying a little bit as I found the PES 2009 demo to be very good, even with it's flaws. This is very good, but lacks something, and it all revolves around response and some ball physics, although not all.
 
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