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Just "played" 5 on the trot of 1k rated plus players in myclub, wow... nothing but through balls to attack and letting the cpu defend, think that's put me off 2019 completely because lets be honest, online is just gonna be the same crap.
 
Chuny said:
I spent an hour looking for the evidence of Asim straight up lying yesterday. Came here, posted it, and nobody seemed to care.
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I find that with every lie Konami tell, the less I'm surprised as I don't trust their words. There's always a "I didn't say that"; "What I meant was" and "please don't twist my words" whenever people rightly point out their bullshit. Nothing ever changes with them.
 
motherhen said:
Asim is teasing at more news tomorrow. A Rangers fan told him that he wasn't buying PES due to the Celtic deal (Pathetic) and he told him "Just because we partnered with Celtic? You know we haven't finished with announcements right? Take a deep breath and calm down. Chill and come back to me tomorrow."
Then when someone asked "If you only have them and not Rangers you can shove PES where the sun don't shine" his reply was "Keeps mouth shut".

Time will tell I guess :)
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You've not been talking to Asim, have you @rfc41ge ? :P
 
its999maggle said:
Didn't they have WEFA before?
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In PES 2008, it was like this:
European Champions Cup - UEFA Champions League
European Masters Cup - UEFA Europa League

motherhen said:
http://www.celticfc.net/news/14663

"Celtic’s massive contribution, however, will be celebrated with a Limited Edition club version of PES 2019. Fans will be able to purchase a specially-branded Celtic Edition featuring bespoke DLC and content. Only 1,000 will be available, and demand is certain to be great. Further details on content will follow." - Eh? Am I being thick but what does this mean??
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It means that there will be a version with a Celtic cover.
Don't worry, everyone will get the stadium. ;)
 
NIK778899 said:
I find that with every lie Konami tell, the less I'm surprised as I don't trust their words. There's always a "I didn't say that"; "What I meant was" and "please don't twist my words" whenever people rightly point out their bullshit. Nothing ever changes with them.
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True.
I'm pretty sure they have some sort of pre-written excuses that they copy/paste and then just change a few words.
 
Paterson said:
In PES 2008, it was like this:
European Champions Cup - UEFA Champions League
European Masters Cup - UEFA Europa League



It means that there will be a version with a Celtic cover.
Don't worry, everyone will get the stadium. ;)
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so THE day has finally come. we want features from PES2008! ;) :PP

i would like it to be there, even generic cups. so patch makers can work their magic.
on another note. i'd like to link that Kurosaki Carlos guy again. some lovely 2019 gifs...: https://twitter.com/kurosakicarlos2?lang=de
just can't get enough of them, knowing my PES! ;)
 
Paterson said:
You mean PEU, PAS and PLA league?
I guess they will be there, there is no point to deleted these. Very important for editors.
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yes, especially the peu league, otherwise we could not have the bundesglia anymore
with konami you never know ...
 
Chuny said:
I spent an hour looking for the evidence of Asim straight up lying yesterday. Came here, posted it, and nobody seemed to care.
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The problem is, as someone pointed out, saying "the shadows move across the pitch" isn't a lie. At half time, shadows that were in one position, switch to a different position. It's not a lie - it's just horribly worded. Deceitfully so? Why? Who's going to buy the game because shadows move? What would they get out of lying other than angry nerds? Who would be so stupid to think we wouldn't find out the lie (by playing the game for about five minutes)?

PLEASE don't get me wrong here - I don't think anyone would have read his statement and NOT assumed he meant real-time shadow movement of some sort. But poorly worded doesn't mean "lie". Our emotional response to stuff like this is off-the-scale - I saw your tweets at Asim where you were screaming "CANCELLING PRE-ORDER"... It just doesn't help.

(Nothing does - I'm all out of hope, to be honest. But that's not Asim's fault, or Adam's fault. We seem to need a scapegoat - and it's never a producer, or a developer. How crazy is that?)

It's like the code changes. There are people who've played the initial preview code and said "this is amazing", then played the latest code and said "this is faster, more assisted, what happened". There is a 0% chance that the reason behind that is to fool people - how much difference are 10 people at a preview event going to make to sales? Especially when they follow it up with "the new code is worse"?!

But every year (because, yes, this sequence of events does seem to happen every year), a few people will say "they're trying to fool us all". Without ever thinking "what difference would it actually make?"

If they'd promised all-new gameplay and a new super-sim approach, I'd be angry. But they said "shadows move". Honestly, I can't make myself care about that.

I may be wrong, but I think that's why, when you pointed it out - as you said...
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...nobody seemed to care.
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(See, this essay DID have a point, it wasn't just the ramblings of a madman...)
 
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its999maggle said:
Must be a translation error. Maybe they mean lag free or something like that.
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rfc41ge said:
Just "played" 5 on the trot of 1k rated plus players in myclub, wow... nothing but through balls to attack and letting the cpu defend, think that's put me off 2019 completely because lets be honest, online is just gonna be the same crap.
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I hardly post here (but do lurk quite alot). If you like online play without the players like you mention, there are places to play online with like minded players .. I know there are a few guys on here who already play @ proevonetwork.com. FM meets Pro Evo with transfers, wages etc. With all the new players coming in for pes2019 it's going be even more epic.

Check it out to save your sanity ;)
 
Paterson said:
Yep, but all original Kits will come via Data Pack (Pro Evolution Soccer on facebook)
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?? All Turkish teams will have fake kits at launch? I don't get what you're saying/they said.

I'll personally stick to other PES games for a month or two more until October/November when those data packs come with all transfers fixed, new kits and stadiums arrive.

Good news on partnerships, but stadium-wise still lacking. Rangers, Galatasaray and Besiktas stadiums at least would be good. 1 stadium per new licensed league or 0 in case of Russia is very lazy.
 
@Chris Davies

To me, the problem doesn't lie in whether or not it is something that would make people decide to buy the game or not. Or whether to cancel their pre-orders or not. I think it's wrong to look at it that way. Because if we go that way, then what's the right criteria? Some may say licenses aren't what matters in order to buy the game or not, because everything can be fixed by loading a simple option file, so why bother?. And so on and so forth.

My tweets to Asim a month ago or so were because along with a few more people we had been asking him and Adam, and OfficialPES to please let us know how the Dynamic Lighting they talked a big deal would work. For a couple of days. We weren't getting any answers. That's when I started to gets suspicious about it not being actually dynamic or kind of real time. It was important to me. Not because it would affect the gameplay. But because when I saw the first trailer and they talked about ENLIGHTEN SOFTWARE, I thought "wow! Konami is really investing the UEFA license money in something that's innovative, setting a footstep, not following EA's". And to find out that they were sort of lying and misleading people just a month later was disgusting for me.
It would have had the same effect whether it was this Dynamic Lighting thing or anything else they announced with chimes and bells like that only to find out it wasn't going to be like that in the end.

It's the principles behind it. It's the ethics behind it. Not the feature itself, Chris. It surprises me that you would just put that tiny bit under the microscope when in reality it is about how they presented the whole PES 2019 package and then the little things started to fall apart. Like the new "player traits". Half of those moves and animations have been in PES for TWO YEARS NOW. But now they added them under the 'TRAITS' category so it is now a brand new feature?.
 
Pyro said:
?? All Turkish teams will have fake kits at launch?
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Yes. They haven't got time to prepare them all and put them all on the disc before the game goes gold, so they'll be DLC. This is the shortest period of PES development for a while, and in terms of licenses, now they're not paying for the UEFA CL, they're going full-throttle. There's a whole lot of new content going into the game, when you look at how many licensed teams there are now. That's a hell of a lot of kits...
 
djquantum said:
I hardly post here (but do lurk quite alot). If you like online play without the players like you mention, there are places to play online with like minded players .. I know there are a few guys on here who already play @ proevonetwork.com. FM meets Pro Evo with transfers, wages etc. With all the new players coming in for pes2019 it's going be even more epic.

Check it out to save your sanity ;)
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Been there and done that but it's too time consuming, especially the requirements that want you to be active on the forums just to get a spot in the leagues.
 
Chuny said:
RE Dynamic Lighting.

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He's lying by the way.

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https://twitter.com/AsimTanvir/status/994320055323254785
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Chuny said:
I spent an hour looking for the evidence of Asim straight up lying yesterday. Came here, posted it, and nobody seemed to care.
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Chris Davies said:
I don't think anyone would have read his statement and NOT assumed he meant real-time shadow movement of some sort.
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So I haven't been following this dynamic lighting debacle much—as in Chris's post, I can't say I care that much about it—but regarding this latest "evidence of lie" stuff:

Am I being dim, because I cannot see the lie purported to have been committed in the contrast between those two tweets Chuny cited? Has Asim said elsewhere that the shadows don't move across the pitch now? In the tweets shown, I'm not seeing a significant contrast. He says "some movement of shadows" pretty much both times, right? (I.e., he implies you'll see at least some movement of shadows in real time.)

Can't say it bothers me either way. What Chris wrote about speculating at underlying motives is so important. I regularly come across posts where the only thing that makes the critique intelligible is a supposed motive of Asim/Adam/Konami which is just utterly implausible.

I find it bizarre that people don't re-examine these first presuppositions a bit more, before making what are basically allegations.

Anyway, onto PES2019. I was worried about the appearance of code changes at first, but judging from more footage and Spooky's posts, I'm back to being cautiously optimistic. Looking forward to hearing any news during/after the Glasgow playtest!
 
Chuny said:
Like the new "player traits". Half of those moves and animations have been in PES for TWO YEARS NOW. But now they added them under the 'TRAITS' category so it is now a brand new feature?.
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Again, forgive me - but they weren't included in PES 2018 and therefore, they can say they're new and it's not strictly a lie. (But it's different from the previous stuff because it's not a poorly worded statement, it's, er, a bit cheeky maybe?)

With this particular complaint, all I can say is - how many times have you seen features removed, only for them to reappear years later and be called "new", across gaming as a whole? It's sort of a running joke here regarding PES - although actually, if the stadium editor, pre-match kit mixer, staff hiring in the ML etc. reappeared overnight, I think we'd all be rejoicing rather than saying "THAT'S NOT NEW".

Maybe I'm just learning that, with PES, we're lucky if there's still a Master League in it as each year passes.
 
janguv said:
So I haven't been following this dynamic lighting debacle much—as in Chris's post, I can't say I care that much about it—but regarding this latest "evidence of lie" stuff:

Am I being dim, because I cannot see the lie purported to have been committed in the contrast between those two tweets Chuny cited? Has Asim said elsewhere that the shadows don't move across the pitch now? In the tweets shown, I'm not seeing a significant contrast. He says "some movement of shadows" pretty much both times, right?

Can't say it bothers me either way. What Chris wrote about speculating at underlying motives is so important. I regularly come across posts where the only thing that makes the critique intelligible is a supposed motive of Asim/Adam/Konami which is just utterly implausible.

I find it bizarre that people don't re-examine these first presuppositions a bit more, before making what are basically allegations.

Anyway, onto PES2019. I was worried about the appearance of code changes at first, but judging from more footage and Spooky's posts, I'm back to being cautiously optimistic. Looking forward to hearing any news during/after the Glasgow playtest!
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In his May 9th Tweet he clearly says "SHADOW MOVE ACROSS THE PITCH..." and then "LIKE IN THE TRAILER".
That in itself is already a lie. Look:



That is the trailer he's referring to.
Isn't that misleading? Big part of the trailer IS ABOUT THE LIGHTING. Sun moving. Shadows moving smoothly. Different color tones. Now, watch any single gameplay video you want and tell me where do you see that.

And not just that. But then in his latest tweet from a few days ago he says that it only changes at half time (first time they actually admit that) BUT shadows do move a little during the game, which is the second lie. We all have seen several (maybe 20?) gameplay videos, have you or anybody else ever saw a single shadow moving or changing direction or whatever?. Please go ahead, I'll be happy to admit I was very wrong and change my mind about Asim and Konami's new policy if you guys show me proof that Asim isn't lying just waiting for the game to come out and people realise he was indeed not being honest. Show me a single gameplay video of shadows moving because of the sun or day/afternoon lighting changing and I will apologise and change my mind, pre-order PES and all. That's how sure I am this is all a scam.
 
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Chris Davies said:
Again, forgive me - but they weren't included in PES 2018 and therefore, they can say they're new and it's not strictly a lie. (But it's different from the previous stuff because it's not a poorly worded statement, it's, er, a bit cheeky maybe?)

With this particular complaint, all I can say is - how many times have you seen features removed, only for them to reappear years later and be called "new", across gaming as a whole? It's sort of a running joke here regarding PES - although actually, if the stadium editor, pre-match kit mixer, staff hiring in the ML etc. reappeared overnight, I think we'd all be rejoicing rather than saying "THAT'S NOT NEW".

Maybe I'm just learning that, with PES, we're lucky if there's still a Master League in it as each year passes.
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I know! And don't you think it's time we point these things out instead of looking the other way.
We had those animations since PES 2017, but now they are "new" because they gave them a name?. So it's not a lie?. It's false advertisement and it's misleading. Call it what you want.

If I remember correctly, Chris, you were very angry at EA last year because you heard or read somewhere that they added a new function (I think it was by pressing the triangle button on the Playstation gamepad) for defending in some new way?. Please correct me if I'm wrong. But I think I saw you mentioning several times here before or during FIFA 18 came out. Well, I'm just as angry as you were for that little supposedly new function that they lied about and never implemented. The only difference is you were angry at EA, I'm angry at KONAMI/PES.
 
Chuny said:
If I remember correctly, Chris, you were very angry at EA last year because you heard or read somewhere that they added a new function (I think it was by pressing the triangle button on the Playstation gamepad) for defending in some new way?. Please correct me if I'm wrong. But I think I saw you mentioning several times here before or during FIFA 18 came out. Well, I'm just as angry as you were for that little supposedly new function that they lied about and never implemented. The only difference is you were angry at EA, I'm angry at KONAMI/PES.
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I'd forgotten about that! I'm angry about it again now! :LMAO:

That's totally different though as far as I'm concerned. In principle, it might be the same*. But in the real world, we're talking about "shadows move" versus something gameplay-related (and more than that, something that would completely change the dynamic of it).

*But it's not, because again, shadows do move - even if it's just from position A to position B - whereas this feature was advertised and then removed entirely.

(I was, and am, also angry at EA for featuring "Team Styles" in the 2018 trailer, then publishing a game where they make no difference whatsoever - and you can't even see who they're assigned to or change them in the built-in team editor - but this isn't the thread for that...)
 
Sounds like some of you guys have some genuinely high expectation of konami and their reps.

Reminder :
- lag cheating still rife
- "5 free contracts" for PES 2016 Anniversary Edition were advertised as permanent contracts (hence enticed me to get a PS4 and the Anniversary Edition.)
- from what I hear any constructive criticism is not taken well/blocked by those in PR.

Let me do some PR too.
PES 2019 is about REALITY. Today's reality is FAKE.
If you love fake, get PES 2019. Cos fake is reality.
 
Chris Davies said:
I'd forgotten about that! I'm angry about it again now! :LMAO:

That's totally different though as far as I'm concerned. In principle, it might be the same*. But in the real world, we're talking about "shadows move" versus something gameplay-related (and more than that, something that would completely change the dynamic of it).

*But it's not, because again, shadows do move - even if it's just from position A to position B - whereas this feature was advertised and then removed entirely.

(I was, and am, also angry at them for featuring "Team Styles" in the 2018 trailer, then publishing a game where they make no difference whatsoever - and you can't even see who they're assigned to or change them in the built-in team editor - but this isn't the thread for that...)
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I understand mate. Let's leave it at that.
I just want them to be more careful next year when announcing something or showing things in their trailer as new features (they actually had it on their website for crying out loud). That's it.
 
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