guru83
League 1
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not really
The issue is that it happens in nearly every game
shooting is going to let down pes 2018 unless it's hugely improved on beta
It's so annoying because game is beautiful everywhere else
PES 2018 PlayStation & Xbox Discussion Thread
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The issue is that it happens in nearly every game
shooting is going to let down pes 2018 unless it's hugely improved on beta
It's so annoying because game is beautiful everywhere else
rockstrongo
Retired Footballer
Yet Marco Asensio scored goals like that vs Barca on a Sunday,then again on a Wednesday in the Spanish super cup vs Barca
Weird!
I have absolutely no issues with the shooting,could be better in Pes 18,but playing manual,no issues
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We must be playing a diffferent game, Iv played a good 8 seasons of ML and On average 1 in every 5/8 games, then again im playing the game on full manual in all areas, maybe that's why I don't see it that much for both AI and myself
stupidusername
Conference
- Joined
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It's impossible to score either of the Asensio goals in PES, I wish it was
rockstrongo
Retired Footballer
I've managed to score a similar goal (2nd one)
But yeah,it's tough to replicate,if we were able to,it would be an outrage here
Sovereign Hope
Championship
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- 8 August 2017
Are you sure it happens in nearly every game? I've rarely seen goal from tight angle like that in pes. If yes please provide evidence/videos as proof. Thanks in advance
shez
League 1
- Joined
- 19 August 2005
There are around 10 basic types of goals that never happen PES anymore, Or very rarely vs AI
Chipped goals
Rounding the keeper
Nutmegging the gk
Drilled roof of the net
Most types of headers (Downward,Looping,Guided ..etc)
And many others
Chipped goals
Rounding the keeper
Nutmegging the gk
Drilled roof of the net
Most types of headers (Downward,Looping,Guided ..etc)
And many others
PRO_TOO
Team Heffernan
i wouldnt say never.. but yes, you are right! more variation is needed so badly! and it woudl be welcome by ALL users (be it manual, adv. or pa1...)!
rockstrongo
Retired Footballer
I've noticed a huge difference in my gameplay when I started using advanced through balls with manual passing,and even on basic shooting,variations is huge,compared to basic shooting/basic through balls and manual passing.
And I guess being on Pa1-3 basic shooting/through balls will keep it very linear.
But that's a discussion that erupts every year....
I think I'll try Advanced Through Ball when I start playing PES 2018 and see if I can use it without looking stupid.
rockstrongo
Retired Footballer
Huge difference from basic,my game opened up completely,suddenly through balls and little lofted passes over defenders are doable
curdstar
Premier League
- Joined
- 19 September 2006
- PES4 Partick Thistle
Okay, before I go any further don't take this as some confrontational reply. You can only comment on how you see it and I don't know how much PES 2017 you played or if you tried the beta for PES 2018.
Those bolded absolutely happen in PES 2018 and also in PES2017 against the AI. I know that having played six seasons of ML along with a fair amount of online play and other modes. Using Advanced Shooting, natch.
As for rounding the keeper, it is 100% in the game as I have seen it and experienced it in PES 2018. Can't say anything regards v. AI in PES2018, and it was rare in PES 2017, but other factors drove to that being the case.
I'm not sure if I would call nutmegging the keeper a cause for concern, but want it to be there. If it proves a rare occurrence I wouldn't then say it was completely ruining my enjoyment of the game in general. But yes, it should be there.
I'm not sure what you mean exactly by drilled roof of the net, so won't comment.
But placed, looping headers?...
Placed, downward headers?...
Those aren't exceptions either. Regards PES 2018, I don't think many nailed the heading, which is a good thing in some respects as it was too effective in PES 2017. I think everyone needs time with the game to truly see if it is nerfed or that there will be a skill to heading effectively in the game.
PES2017 had a fair share of variety in the kinds of headed goals you could score. PES 2017 also did possess more shot variety than people will give it credit for. A perfect amount? Nope, but there was variety or a perception of it being there.
I can only talk from my own experience, my own take, of PES in general of late. Below are three videos of goals and patterns of play from both PES 2017 (a stack of goals from over a season or two in my ML) and a quickly put together video of some PES2018 moments. I think it is the only way I can really project across my own experience. I'm not looking to prove anyone wrong or anything. It is purely the best example I can offer of my take, but even then it is just a sample of it over a season or so's play in ML and just few matches from the beta. I am not posting this claiming it as evidence of anything other than some of my experience.
There's an hours worth of viewing here; all using Advanced Shooting apart from a few Manual efforts. The first goal in the 2nd is a fine example of some of the types of trajectories and flights I experienced frequently. There is a fair few headers in those PES2017 as well, I believe. Like I say, I am not trying to submit it as evidence against yours or anybody else's claims. I'm not saying you or they are wrong, even if I myself don't agree...
zeemeister
foxy engine
Can the mods please stop curdstar from posting this unequivocal proof :p . I have a few vids on basic shooting that's covers but those are all PES 2017 related.
ramgamer
La Liga
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- fc barcelona
the things is, in PES these shots happen way too often to make it believable, in a real match, these rarely go in..
ramgamer
La Liga
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- fc barcelona
this is totally right, i miss those variations.
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- LUFC O.K.
I strongly disagree with the post by shez.
My game strength without any doubt is crossing & headers,all entirely possible,especially downwards.
Also You can round the keeper.
I also note someone said You cannot score from narrow angles, that is not true.Try a hard shot at the keeper from the byline, a deflection in is totally possible.
Practice makes perfect!
My game strength without any doubt is crossing & headers,all entirely possible,especially downwards.
Also You can round the keeper.
I also note someone said You cannot score from narrow angles, that is not true.Try a hard shot at the keeper from the byline, a deflection in is totally possible.
Practice makes perfect!
If ever I play against you Super I'll concentrate on stopping you crossing . .thanks for the tip ha ha.
PRO_TOO
Team Heffernan
if you couldn't place the ball where you wanted it on full manual, I'd agree. But you can.Maybe you can do it better using that controller layout, but to me it's like when using advanced shooting. It feels unnatural to me. Not only with my hands but also in my mind. Feels like using in ingame aid too, imo.
Can't really discribe it in English.
But I'm glad that there is options. Alternatives in how people control the action on the field. Think of handicapped people. I used to forget that way to often. This example is a template for other stuff like... let's say... sliders?! Maybe I'm wrong.
We let's enjoy and get the best out of that piece of software whatever controller layout. I'd even consider giving it another try in 2018.
Only a few hours till the demo drops. Yes it's safe, we can say hours now!
curdstar
Premier League
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- PES4 Partick Thistle
Watching back some of the goals I posted I forgot about the narrow-ish angle chip trajectory volley I scored. Can't say I will ever forget the narrow angle control and dipped bicycle kick I scored with Nilmar that is also in one of those Benevento videos as that was one of the best, most satisfying goals I scored in my 6 seasons of ML. The goal I scored to win Serie A last night in my ML was a downward header into the corner too.
I can't speak for others, but I can say I fully agree with you about headers.
rockstrongo
Retired Footballer
I think/feel that the game feels more open on manual and advanced,it's more sensitive and fine tuned..
Maybe you can do it better using that controller layout, but to me it's like when using advanced shooting. It feels unnatural to me. Not only with my hands but also in my mind. Feels like using in ingame aid too, imo.
Can't really discribe it in English.
But I'm glad that there is options. Alternatives in how people control the action on the field. Think of handicapped people. I used to forget that way to often. This example is a template for other stuff like... let's say... sliders?! Maybe I'm wrong.
We let's enjoy and get the best out of that piece of software whatever controller layout. I'd even consider giving it another try in 2018.
Only a few hours till the demo drops. Yes it's safe, we can say hours now!
And yes I agree that there is something for everyone,just wished that people who are dissatisfied with it,would try every possible way to make the game better and more alive
Yes,hours left my friend
rockstrongo
Retired Footballer
RAMAXWY
Premier League
- Joined
- 16 October 2006
- Barcelona
that is pure how PES works, a lot of things really depends on how you play(how you attack and defend) so usually if you haven't seen it very often its because you don't try it as much and when u see it a lot it is probably a part of your playing style.
rockstrongo
Retired Footballer
Hear hear
- Staff
- #4,375
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- LUFC O.K.
TBH Deco my central attacking & shooting is not good enough.I really do like to play the flanks & am a pretty good dribbler so can get early crosses in.Also I have a habit of cutting in with a fast winger & shooting , or 3 taps low pass for another attacker to slot in.
Am resolved for PES2018 to use manual shooting & finally learn it properly.
shez
League 1
- Joined
- 19 August 2005
This was said about fouls as well, And Catch up bug in the past (Blame the user)
I respect each of your opinions ... I still feel that going full manual shooting shouldn't be the ONLY option to see the best out of the game... People who play with assisted will miss out on the "Greatness" that y'all experiencing..
rockstrongo
Retired Footballer
I've always been very frustrated with the catch up bug,I've always play -1 game speed,but for this campaign,after a break for 5-6 months of Pes 17, I'm on 0 game speed,and my pacey strikers don't get caught by slower defenders.
The lower the game speed,the more advantage the cpu gets because everything you do is a tad more slow.
Try zero and see how you like it,feels fast at first,but you'll get used to it.
My game is very different now from before with it
Chief Inspector Grobelaar
League 2
Man I hope there's plenty more commentary call names this year. A lot more.
It's terrible playing in the Brazilian League for example with virtually no players being named. Just Beglin getting excited about a defender 'not allowing a turn'.
Get plenty of common names in the pool please Konami. Most sports games are much better in this department.
It's terrible playing in the Brazilian League for example with virtually no players being named. Just Beglin getting excited about a defender 'not allowing a turn'.
Get plenty of common names in the pool please Konami. Most sports games are much better in this department.
curdstar
Premier League
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- 19 September 2006
- PES4 Partick Thistle
Well if that's the case then that's the case. Don't really think there is much to add.
Nobody is insisting you try, more that folk are just offering up their take when they do use manual or advanced shooting. While I don't intend to use basic shooting ever again, because it likely won't ever stray that far from what it literally is now, "Basic Shooting", I can appreciate the concerns of those who do use it. To an extent.
People, rightly, demanded more control over shooting more than a few years ago now. Konami have offered that with not one, but two other options since PES 2014. I despised Advanced Shooting at first, then fully committed to it from about the second half of my time playing PES 2016 onwards. So far as how it works, it feels logical to me now, but it is what it is regardless.
There was a dude in another thread who asked me why I am such an advocate for Advanced Shooting and will likely try answer that question gor him in here later.
Bond!JamesBond!
PS2 PES Greatness
i play full manual on PES 2017 and WE9LE / PES 5 assisted. But why did Konami in 2005 put there best on default settings yet today it's buried in manual that most don't want. This way of design won't improve sales.
Example :
Someone tries PES for the first time and plays with default settings he isn't impressed so he buys FIFA. Not even knowing that better is buried somewhere in the settings.
Ok, now i'm off to see the fight. Go Mcgregor.
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