PES 2018 PlayStation & Xbox Discussion Thread

[fantomas23]

Here it is, full manual vs assisted.

zdravo hvala. btw did you manage to beat asim? what was the result

 

[maremas_]

zdravo hvala. btw did you manage to beat asim? what was the result

My friend Zeljko (@zexsim) was in Milan, not me. At the end he was playing against Asim 0-0 and lost against Adam 1-0.
At the thumbnails you can see against whom he has played. That all Italians, journalists or people from Italian PES communities.

 

[DuduBR9]

manual on pes17 isnt full manual anyways, stats still play a major roll, try playing in the brazilian or argentinian league on manual, youll notice a huge difference in passing error. if pes had no manual i wouldnt be playing this game either, from my experience PA 1-4 settings and superstar is broken in pes 17

Manual passing in PES 2017 is close to perfection and I will never understand why would anyone comolain that is not "manual" enough.

All we need on a manual passing system is there, I feel theres a lot of freedom to put the ball into any space, its relatively easy to get used to it.

I want freedom to pass where I want without feeling ridiculously challenged to make a simple pass of 5m, like it used to be in sime games like Fifa09.

I also feel like theres some autocorrection going on with manual passing (probablu determined by stats) wich I find great.

I enjoy manual passing a lot. But shooting passing is not my cup of tea. I hate being in one on one with the keeper and end up shooting so wide, its not realistic and makes me go mad.

 

[romagnoli]

I love manual passing because of that freedom to do whatever you want with the ball, to put it anywhere and to use it to direct the runs the recipient makes. But with shooting, there's always a clear target. It doesn't make sense being able to shoot entirely the wrong way, or aiming to miss the goal entirely, as you can do with manual shooting - I should be able to tell my player to aim for the top corner, or low inside the near post, etc, and then just use the shot button for power. So I like the idea of advanced shooting but it hits the woodwork far, far too often. It always has, it's needed some attention for 4 PES titles now.

 

[ianni]

So a good combination to play ML in Superstar is Manual Passing + Advanced Shooting and 20 mins match, right?

 

[Jimi_Zuko]

So a good combination to play ML in Superstar is Manual Passing + Advanced Shooting and 20 mins match, right?

as romagnoli mentioned above, advanced shooting doesnt feel right, i set to manual shooting but basic is good enough depending on what u prefer

 

[Ameppe]

I love manual passing because of that freedom to do whatever you want with the ball, to put it anywhere and to use it to direct the runs the recipient makes. But with shooting, there's always a clear target. It doesn't make sense being able to shoot entirely the wrong way, or aiming to miss the goal entirely, as you can do with manual shooting - I should be able to tell my player to aim for the top corner, or low inside the near post, etc, and then just use the shot button for power. So I like the idea of advanced shooting but it hits the woodwork far, far too often. It always has, it's needed some attention for 4 PES titles now.

Honestly i play manual passing but base shooting. I find adv shooting is not good enough,so i'm forced to play assisted shooting.

 

[Jimi_Zuko]

Manual passing in PES 2017 is close to perfection and I will never understand why would anyone comolain that is not "manual" enough.

All we need on a manual passing system is there, I feel theres a lot of freedom to put the ball into any space, its relatively easy to get used to it.

I want freedom to pass where I want without feeling ridiculously challenged to make a simple pass of 5m, like it used to be in sime games like Fifa09.

I also feel like theres some autocorrection going on with manual passing (probablu determined by stats) wich I find great.

I enjoy manual passing a lot. But shooting passing is not my cup of tea. I hate being in one on one with the keeper and end up shooting so wide, its not realistic and makes me go mad.

yes without a doubt there is auto correction determined by stats.

 

[Anjin]

Basic shooting in ML drives me mad but maybe that's because I'm not using any top teams. All those shots barely missing the goal, it's infuriating me since PES 2015. In 2017 I was using L2 manual shooting most of the time, but then when you have good day and can aim properly you'll score from all sorts of angles.

So shooting overall is the weakest point of the game for me. I just wish basic worked like PES 5/6 shooting more or less but it's probably not that easy, so manual is the best choice.

Advanced I tried for a while, 100% of my shots hit the crossbar, good for everyone who enjoys it but I can't figure that crap out sorry I'll stick to manual.

Up until now I was using PA1 but it's high time to go back to manual again. In 15/16 I always had issues with PA1, I'd feel cheated and scripted to death all the time. In 17 it's okay for the most part but now that I'm back into PES again it got a little bit too easy.

So in the end manual shooting and passing is probably the best pick for Master League.

 

[Topaz]

Basic shooting in ML drives me mad but maybe that's because I'm not using any top teams. All those shots barely missing the goal, it's infuriating me since PES 2015. In 2017 I was using L2 manual shooting most of the time, but then when you have good day and can aim properly you'll score from all sorts of angles.

I agree with you here 100%. All these close misses pisses me off so much.

 

[lancers]

manual on pes17 isnt full manual anyways, stats still play a major roll, try playing in the brazilian or argentinian league on manual, youll notice a huge difference in passing error. if pes had no manual i wouldnt be playing this game either, from my experience PA 1-4 settings and superstar is broken in pes 17

I started playing Superstar lately was playing Pro and Top Player and TBH I do not see all that much difference.

 

[Anjin]

Higher difficulties just feel faster / more frantic and all over the place I guess. So initially it's a bit of a shock but you can adapt to it.

I imagine in case of ML Team Spirit also plays it part. When you reach 90s nothing is impossible.

 

[Deco]

I love manual passing because of that freedom to do whatever you want with the ball, to put it anywhere and to use it to direct the runs the recipient makes. But with shooting, there's always a clear target. It doesn't make sense being able to shoot entirely the wrong way, or aiming to miss the goal entirely, as you can do with manual shooting - I should be able to tell my player to aim for the top corner, or low inside the near post, etc, and then just use the shot button for power. So I like the idea of advanced shooting but it hits the woodwork far, far too often. It always has, it's needed some attention for 4 PES titles now.

You CAN tell your player where to put the ball with practise.. . go on to the training ground and practise shooting and you will get used to it.

 

[ianni]

I get along very well with Advanced Shooting, so I'll stick with it. I play Superstar with fake ML team and 20 mins with PA1 and the games are very slow, of course not the same as a real match but very close. People saying Advanced Shooting = crossbar, yeah at first is frustrating, but with time it's the best option, at least for me.

Thank you everyone with the manual / assisted passing thing.

 

[romagnoli]

You CAN tell your player where to put the ball with practise.. . go on to the training ground and practise shooting and you will get used to it.

Are you talking about manual or advanced?

If manual, I don't need practice. I score plenty in off the post and such like. It just isn't the best system.

If advanced, I scored plenty when I was using it. My problem was that it didn't feel very balanced, there were an awful lot of times when I hit the woodwork rather than the ball going over or wide, or indeed in.

Edit: this was advanced shooting -

 

[Deco]

I don't need practice. I score plenty in off the post and such like. It just isn't the best system.

I must have misunderstood your post. . .I thought you said that the shots on manual aren't going where you want them to go.

 

[romagnoli]

I must have misunderstood your post. . .I thought you said that the shots on manual aren't going where you want them to go.

I said it doesn't make sense that you can aim to shoot in all 360 degrees relative to where you are at the point of the shot. It makes sense for passing, heading etc - but not shooting. It's too primitive.

A more developed advanced shooting system could allow for far more expression and be more inclusive for people who can't get past manual shooting's difficulty. It also allows the difference between clinical finishers and the more wasteful to be more pronounced than manual can.

 

[Jimi_Zuko]

I started playing Superstar lately was playing Pro and Top Player and TBH I do not see all that much difference.

Depends if your playing ML or exhibition, from my experience playing superstar in ML, more games i played, gameplay became faster and CPU was too accurate and unrealistic and impossible to break down to create space but on pro I found that even tho u can disposess the AI easy at times, found the game more balanced.

 

[DuduBR9]

Enjoyed the manual videos. Pace is just right on manual.

But guys, take a loot at the minute 7:40 on this video below.

This is one of the things that really annoye me. I dont understand how players have such strength and balance.

Here Torres is being pressed by two men who are right behind his back putting much weigjt on him, Torres stumbles like 2x and doesnt loose balance and fall ? Seriously ?

On this mordern era of football, NO player would keep on the play, they usually fall with any touch, let alone in that specific situation in wich any player would not keep in balance with so much weight on their back.

Players MUST fall way more often right after this stumble animations, just like it used to happen in Pes5. The game would benefit so much from that.

This is clearly something that its easy to implement.

Heres the video. Take a look at 7:40mimute

 

[TroyDeeneyScoredAPenal!]

That Torres bit is bullcrap! The same as I saw footage from the PES 2018 WT at Anfield, Some guy chose Brazil the other chose Barcelona and what I saw was horrific! Somehow from no where Neymar picked up a Gold Mushroom style speed boost like he was in Mario Kart! Sprinted past the Centre Back (Pique) and just had the easiest of finishes!

Again I am seeing far too many rocket shot goals which lack variation at all. The ball just seems to fly straight and true like Bullet Bill in Mario Kart... (sorry for the MK references, been playing that a lot lately on Switch). The more I see the more I meh. It looks like certain players are overpowered and the shooting again lacks variety. Its like playing Virtua Striker when you shoot for goal again.

 

[DuduBR9]

I said it doesn't make sense that you can aim to shoot in all 360 degrees relative to where you are at the point of the shot. It makes sense for passing, heading etc - but not shooting. It's too primitive.

A more developed advanced shooting system could allow for far more expression and be more inclusive for people who can't get past manual shooting's difficulty. It also allows the difference between clinical finishers and the more wasteful to be more pronounced than manual can.

All we need is a shooting system in wich power, accuracy and curl are influenced by stats and contextual aspect like angle, body balance, pressure, how far or how close ball is on players feet etc.

The power bar should be sensitve to these things. If you have space to sprint and shoot, to put the ball a bit further and shoot, theres no need to hold the shooting button to any longer than 1 second.

Now if your player is suffering some pressure from behind and the ball is close to players feet, you will need to hold shooting button longer to put some strengh on the ball.

Power button should not work the same in any circunstance. It must be more sensitive or less sensitive depending on theses aspects.

Im sure this isnt so hard to implement.

 

[bonyi]

Anbody can comment on the following issues of prevoius games?

1. Catch up bug
2. CPU shooting variety
3. Keepers staying on the line when they shouldn't

Thanks
Cheers

 

[Bond!JamesBond!]

Looking at his last post where he arbitrarily decided to put bits of my post in bold, with no real rhyme or reason whatsoever, I'm starting to think it's inappropriate to laugh at him. I think he should be very proud, posting all by himself.

Bold was to point out were you crossed the line with your first rude post!
Your just an angry little boy who wasn't loved enough.
The standards were lowered by your original post.
Also i see you couldn't prove anything to justify your original post about skating and hiccups in the animations. So sad indeed...
Greatest thing that i can just set ignore on you, avoiding your rubbish posts in the future...... giving me less drivel to scan through.... And Poof.. no more romagnoli.....

Anbody can comment on the following issues of prevoius games?

1. Catch up bug
2. CPU shooting variety
3. Keepers staying on the line when they shouldn't

Thanks
Cheers

no catchup bug
still working on it
still a problem

 

[Bond!JamesBond!]

manual on pes17 isnt full manual anyways, stats still play a major roll, try playing in the brazilian or argentinian league on manual, youll notice a huge difference in passing error. if pes had no manual i wouldnt be playing this game either, from my experience PA 1-4 settings and superstar is broken in pes 17

yep, full manual on player camera (don't let the angles stop you from trying it you'll adjust eventually) is what improved this game for me a lot. i get unpredictable games this way and shooting is better from this camera angle. Plus because of the camera angle i get more midfield play and stats are more noticeable too.

 

[DuduBR9]

Another manual match

 

[PES Russia]

We really liked this video. The game looks different in comparison with the PES 2017 (we also play the FM). Thank you, PES Serbia.

 

[zexsim]

Pure football played on fullmanual

Thx maremas!!

 

[zexsim]

We really liked this video. The game looks different in comparison with the PES 2017 (we also play the FM). Thank you, PES Serbia.

Thx bro!!!
Хвала вам браћо!!!

 

[zexsim]

My friend Zeljko (@zexsim) was in Milan, not me. At the end he was playing against Asim 0-0 and lost against Adam 1-0.
At the thumbnails you can see against whom he has played. That all Italians, journalists or people from Italian PES communities.

I didn't play win, just show the beauty of Full Manual. That's the point...

 

[wkhalil]

manual on pes17 isnt full manual anyways, stats still play a major roll, try playing in the brazilian or argentinian league on manual, youll notice a huge difference in passing error. if pes had no manual i wouldnt be playing this game either, from my experience PA 1-4 settings and superstar is broken in pes 17

Manual passing is almost perfect in PES2017. You have the freedom to place the ball where you want while players stats do have an effect. That's the right formula for manual passing that they should build on. Manual shooting, the power and precision stats can even be more apparent