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PC PES 2014 discussion thread

klashman69 said:
I tried we9le soyo's adjusted version. it's good, just dated compared to pes 2013 gameplay.

the adjustments make it slower so you take tie to break teams down, so each game is a chess match with a good level of technique.

The reasons why pes 2013 goes far beyond this is the variety of matches which are derived from the new tactics system, the ball physics and individuality is much more advanced so depending on your individuals, you need to think like a manager and create strategies to suit your team. WE9LE is old fashioned in the sense if you play with a team like Australia or the USA, you are always looking to try play good football with them. passing football. The 'old pes feeling'

In pes 2013, you realize passing with them on 1bar is not going to get you anywhere because they like in real life have few gifted passers so you look to use strength and height upfront to your advantage and work on defensive tactics and either wing play or long balls to win.

It does frustrate me at times people don't see this new concept brought in by konami, 'Variety realism' pes 2010 tried it worked to an extent, pes 2011 was the first game which did this well because of the tactics system. pes did it well in the 1.06 patch and pes 2013 did it all year.

This is the 'new' pes feeling. Some matches are chess-matches, highly tactical, some are open, some are cagey, some are fierce competitive battles with lots of tackles, some are cat and mouse, variety!
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I do agree with you when it comes to different tactics for each team which obviously is limited on PES5/WE9LE.

I'm playing PES5 with my adjustments which include slower gameplay, and better teamwork and attacking moves by the CPU. So, no, the one i play is not fast and it is about building up play for myself and for the CPU.

Some things i still love about PES5 are
  • the CPU passing back and forth and spraying cross field balls is good to see (i'm not saying it doesn't happen in PES2013).
  • Seeing the CPU striker go lunging in to my goalkeeper with a sliding tackle.
  • Seeing a 'sweeper' keeper come running out to head the ball to safety.
  • Seeing a fast cross come in from any angle and defender, attacker and goalkeeper missing the ball as it goes across to the other side. Then seeing another winger cross the ball back in again.
  • Those frantic goalmouth scrambles that happen in front of goal, when i have to pause it to see the replay.

There are many things. What i prefer about PES5 (not WE9LE) is the realistic amount of fouls. Yes it is infuriating when your striker hounds the defender too much and the whistle goes, but it happens. Those times when you are holding out for a draw or win and the opposition get consecutive free kicks around the box in the last 5 minutes, they are nerve jangling moments.

Thinking about tactics, in my ML i was playing Sunderland in the cup. They had already beaten me i think 4-0 in the league. I just played with 1 up front and 5 in defence, and i just defended throughout the match. The midfield battles were immense, once they got past my DM, i brought my next line of defence forward to block. The CPU had to play to the wings, but if i blocked them, they played through the middle. Also i was trying to hit them on the break. Finished 0-0, but it was a fantastic result for me.

Also, people mention the 'heart' factor. It has always been there but called 'mentality'. Go in front against a team with high mentality and suddenly they would start pounding you. If your mentality was also high then you may be able to hold on, or even get a second. If the team had a low mentality and conceded then they would probably concede more goals.

Don't really want this to be a PES v PES debate. I have got all the games and i really like 2013 and also enjoying 2014. I am annoyed because my PS3 has packed up. So i bought PES2014 for PC but now thats having issues with slowness. Another reason why i just bung the PS2 on :P

klashman69 said:
Could be your video card drivers, mine doesn't lag much if at all. Despite being a beta/unfinished. 1.06 gameplay on top player is good and enjoyable. sadly there is a noticeable reduction or responsiveness compared to training mode gameplay still.
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Thanks klashman, i will update them and see if it makes a difference. :))
 
Can't read the sentence "the ball physics and individuality is much more advanced" with a straight face.

At least ball physics on WE9LE are far beyond any other PES game.
 
ramgamer said:
can u tell me the patches for pes 2013 to make as close as possible to be a gd soccer game?i really miss playing a gd soccer game that's at least in current gen.thanks
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You need to decide first what you want from a soccer game.

Forget realism even, just decide what you want from a game, list everything. How hard do you want it? how do you expect and want to play?

geeeeee said:
I do agree with you when it comes to different tactics for each team which obviously is limited on PES5/WE9LE.

I'm playing PES5 with my adjustments which include slower gameplay, and better teamwork and attacking moves by the CPU. So, no, the one i play is not fast and it is about building up play for myself and for the CPU.

Some things i still love about PES5 are
  • the CPU passing back and forth and spraying cross field balls is good to see (i'm not saying it doesn't happen in PES2013).
  • Seeing the CPU striker go lunging in to my goalkeeper with a sliding tackle.
  • Seeing a 'sweeper' keeper come running out to head the ball to safety.
  • Seeing a fast cross come in from any angle and defender, attacker and goalkeeper missing the ball as it goes across to the other side. Then seeing another winger cross the ball back in again.
  • Those frantic goalmouth scrambles that happen in front of goal, when i have to pause it to see the replay.

There are many things. What i prefer about PES5 (not WE9LE) is the realistic amount of fouls. Yes it is infuriating when your striker hounds the defender too much and the whistle goes, but it happens. Those times when you are holding out for a draw or win and the opposition get consecutive free kicks around the box in the last 5 minutes, they are nerve jangling moments.

Thinking about tactics, in my ML i was playing Sunderland in the cup. They had already beaten me i think 4-0 in the league. I just played with 1 up front and 5 in defence, and i just defended throughout the match. The midfield battles were immense, once they got past my DM, i brought my next line of defence forward to block. The CPU had to play to the wings, but if i blocked them, they played through the middle. Also i was trying to hit them on the break. Finished 0-0, but it was a fantastic result for me.

Also, people mention the 'heart' factor. It has always been there but called 'mentality'. Go in front against a team with high mentality and suddenly they would start pounding you. If your mentality was also high then you may be able to hold on, or even get a second. If the team had a low mentality and conceded then they would probably concede more goals.

Don't really want this to be a PES v PES debate. I have got all the games and i really like 2013 and also enjoying 2014. I am annoyed because my PS3 has packed up. So i bought PES2014 for PC but now thats having issues with slowness. Another reason why i just bung the PS2 on :P
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Yes, PES 2013 does all of this, and more, i 100% agree about the mentality, it shows the most with Player form for me. You get those fancy dan wingers who are talented but if their mentality is lower than 70 especially, oh god they do my fucking head in when they are on a blue or purple, totally useless! Just in real life (See Nani and Andrei Arshavin!)

Players with high mentality tend not to be on blue or purple much and even when they are still perform very well. You don't see to many teams in this day and age though with players full of high mentality, football is played by 'Man-Childs' blame everything on everybody apart from you and don't take responsibility unless the chances is presented to you. Players aren't men anymore, you don't see that aspect as much in PES 2013 as back then.

WE9 has elements such as snow, wind affecting the ball and a much better and deeper injury and fatigue system compared to PES 2013, that along with the infinitely better game modes and master league still make it the best all round PES game, for me i'd miss the 360 movement which opens up new worlds of passing, dynamic one-two's the higher all round individuality, first touch especially, explosive power and dribbling, on WE9 there is no need to play hoofballl with a limited team like PES 2013, also dribbling wise even bad players, you could dribble well with them, always on PS2 PES at the right angle you could fake shot past a man, that is was the issue with the 8 directions on WE( compared to the recent games. .

I'd say PES 2013 big issue in gameplay apart from dodgy keeper animations was the kitserver and other tools messing with the programming, there a bug which happens when the change tactics D-pad button is disabled and the gameplay seems to heavily reduce itself, the game feels quicker, easier and the CPU tend to charge forward and seem invincible at times, rather than follow their tactics.

_anderson said:
Can't read the sentence "the ball physics and individuality is much more advanced" with a straight face.

At least ball physics on WE9LE are far beyond any other PES game.
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Your giving up too easily, you have to fight and learn in PES 2013 to see it, if you allow yourself to continually get beaten by the AI on the counter in PES 2013 its your loss, you simply need to play better.

Your blaming the game too, sorry i'm not going to feel sorry for you simply man up! You been moaning about cheating especially since 2012, it did have a bad cheating element from 1.00-1.02 in PES 2012, then it was reduced in 1.03 and 1.06 was great, very balanced. PES 2013 had no big cheating problems, WE9 had more cheating than PES 2013 and that game was awesome.

You have so many advantages over the CPU, if it cheats a bit, so? There so much they cant do and you CAN do, that's the whole point. Your going to get it in every football game. Man up! Sorry i'm not having people moaning because they believe they more more about football than they actually do, you need to swallow that pride and be aware of the lessons that are handed to you.

Sorry, there is nothing else i can say. You have to be cruel to be kind sometimes.
 
Ball physics especially first touch in this game is quite excellent. You must bring the ball down under control properly before sprinting. One of many aspect that differs from any of previous title.
 
klashman69 said:
PES edit team only cares about money through Uploaded.to

it shares nothing.
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Yeah, I understand why they are hated, not just due to Uploaded.to - I read the reasons some time ago. However, I like their perference to keep a "vanilla" feel, a base patch to build upon. I wish more patches did the same approach, without the questionable decisions PESEdit take about hosting. Back to topic.
 
As someone who is satisfied with the amount of content, any kind patch in general is overkill to me. And i'm not too sure if PESEdit doesn't include some sort of gameplay modification. Last time I tried back in 2013 they did include sound and several other modifications. Didn't seems that "vanilla" to me.

However I do like Julian Cames DLC. No extra teams & leagues, no fileloader, no gameplay fix, no cracked .exe, no other extras. Just additional kits and emblems everything else is left untouched. The kits are high quality as well. To me it is a perfect replacement for Defade OP (used to be one of very few high quality OP for PC). Although underrated, but based on the hit counts Julian Cames has start to gain some buzz.
 
losslesscompression said:
As someone who is satisfied with the amount of content, any kind patch in general is overkill to me. And i'm not too sure if PESEdit doesn't include some sort of gameplay modification. Last time I tried back in 2013 they did include sound and several other modifications. Didn't seems that "vanilla" to me.
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Replacing the nowadays crappy PES soundtrack isn't really questionable. Apart from that there are no gameplay modifications in PESEdit as well as in other patches using the original 1.06 exe with additional CPK archives.
 
I didn't mention anything about soundtrack. I could be wrong about gameplay fix in PESEdit, maybe you're correct there is no such in their patch. But I still maintain most patches in general always include some sort of gameplay modification. Better AI, tactics, formations, replay etc. those falls under the same umbrella from my POV.

Anyway this is not about me, PESEdit generate thousands of download each week. They did a big favour for the community.

For anybody that satisfied with the content, or looking for something simpler, I recommend Julian Cames DLC.

I think Julian Cames made the smart choice. There are plenty of high-quality patch but almost none for something simple and compact such as option file. By doing what he does, he cater to the other group. More choices for the community, the better.
 
Julian Carnes has taken it back to basics,just like it was
several years ago, when we used The Wolfs edited option file
and PLF stats.
Halcyon days.
Now if people cannot put 3GB of added content in they are not happy with it.
 
superleeds1 said:
Julian Carnes has taken it back to basics,just like it was
several years ago, when we used The Wolfs edited option file
and PLF stats.
Halcyon days.
Now if people cannot put 3GB of added content in they are not happy with it.
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PLF - what happened to that guy? I was reading some PM's I had with him the other day - he was a dude:COOL:
 
jonah66 said:
PLF - what happened to that guy? I was reading some PM's I had with him the other day - he was a dude:COOL:
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Still around here from time to time, but not surprisingly no time to give the huge in depth analysis that he provided for players.
 
losslesscompression said:
As someone who is satisfied with the amount of content, any kind patch in general is overkill to me. And i'm not too sure if PESEdit doesn't include some sort of gameplay modification. Last time I tried back in 2013 they did include sound and several other modifications. Didn't seems that "vanilla" to me.

However I do like Julian Cames DLC. No extra teams & leagues, no fileloader, no gameplay fix, no cracked .exe, no other extras. Just additional kits and emblems everything else is left untouched. The kits are high quality as well. To me it is a perfect replacement for Defade OP (used to be one of very few high quality OP for PC). Although underrated, but based on the hit counts Julian Cames has start to gain some buzz.
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Agreed. Many of these patches are bloated with things I don't need. The Julian Cames patch sounds ideal. All I really want from a patch is corrected names, kits and emblems.

If I ever get back into pes I'll check it out.
 
losslesscompression said:
However I do like Julian Cames DLC. No extra teams & leagues, no fileloader, no gameplay fix, no cracked .exe, no other extras. Just additional kits and emblems everything else is left untouched. The kits are high quality as well. To me it is a perfect replacement for Defade OP (used to be one of very few high quality OP for PC). Although underrated, but based on the hit counts Julian Cames has start to gain some buzz.
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I LIKE! Thanks for sharing, I had no idea such patch existed. I'm not halfway with my own OF yet.

I simply detest anything that comes with a huge package of stuff that just adds a great deal of crash potential in the x-th season of BAL or ML.
 
Since years ago the game is sensitive to active background process. The memory (RAM) consumption is not so important. It is CPU usage the most important because it can slow down the the game significantly.

Unless you have the latest processor from the market with higher threading capability it's best to keep your background task to minimum.
 
i played couple of games with 1.06.exe and i'm not sure i will stay on it.

comparing it to 1.04.exe, gameplay seems faster, players have less weight and cpu seems less dangerous than 1.04.exe.

i will play few more games and than decide, but so far i like 1.04.exe gameplay more.
 
For me 1.04 was the worst. 1.06 better, but still not as good as 1.01.

I have 1.06 with some stat adjustments (speed and explosive power -10, defensive prowess +10, lofted pass -5) and it plays quite fine. Need to test more, however.
 
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