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PC PES 2014 discussion thread

PES 2014 made me forget about Fifa release this year. I think that Konami now has a pretty solid core to extend in the future.
I was a Fifa player from 2009 to 2012 and i didn't like the direction this game gone on 2013 so i didn't bought it at all. Fifa had a chance to establish themselves if they priorise modes like Clubs but i guess they believed that they found the magic formula that would allow them to keep producing "samey" games without solid improvements to the core and get away with the same sales.

I believe that PES 2014 developers tried to make it a hardcore simulation and i think that they came very close to that target. IMHO the game is so simulation-based that i enjoy it more when i play with one player selected (be a legend, or fixed cursor) where i am able to switch between different camera views (player and ball). When i try to play the game with semi-assisted player switching i hardly create any chances.

I usually play on Superstar difficulty , 0 bars passing, advanced through balls and manual shot.

When i pick a single player i am able to control his positioning and momentum and with the help of the right stick i can even get past 1 or 2 players. I really believe that this game is made to be played like that and has the potential to become super fun if 11v11 implemented right (no lag).

Lastly i would like to make one little observation that could make the game even better when played with unassisted player switching. When i am controling one player (fixed cursor) i am able to switch views with the select button but this isn't the case with unassisted player switching. One detail that would improve playing with unassisted settings.
 
Such an ignorant comment that was. Felt like I was reading EA FIFA forums all over again.

ML was never meant to be realistic, because when it first showed up the game didn't even have leagues. People just kept asking for an actual career mode and instead of them doing a separate mode, it became a weird mix of the "fantasy club mode" it was with a realistic-wannabe career mode.
 
What do you expect from somebody who never heard of Castolo, Minanda, Ruskin and co.? I knew Doctor was a big pretender since he was ousted from EA forum months ago. He's not an ex-PES/WE player that jump ship to FIFA, he's simply a FIFA player through and through.

I can accept that, but absolutely can't when he keep on pretending. Sorry to be blunt, but you start to sound annoying. Just do everybody and yourself a favour, get yourself a copy of FIFA 14.
 
losslesscompression said:
What do you expect from somebody who never heard of Castolo, Minanda, Ruskin and co.? I knew Doctor was a big pretender since he was ousted from EA forum months ago. He's not an ex-PES/WE player that jump ship to FIFA, he's simply a FIFA player through and through.

I can accept that, but absolutely can't when he keep on pretending. Sorry to be blunt, but you start to sound annoying. Just do everybody and yourself a favour, get yourself a copy of FIFA 14.
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Another one who thinks they can read minds! Allow me to draw your attention to this post:
Really?

Funny that I played PES from PES 4 to PES 2008; y'know when it actually was the superior game?
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And prior to that, I played Fifa because it was the only option on PC, apart from unrealistic but fun games like Sensible World of Soccer. What - so I've never played PES because I haven't heard of their dumbass made up names? From what I can remember, the option for using proper players was there as well - maybe I picked that?

As for the copy of Fifa 14 - that's already on its way. I was prepared to give PES 2014 a go, especially when I saw the early videos and the (unfounded) rumours that ML was to be improved this year. Instead, what did they do? They made it more barebones than it was before. Add to that the fact they couldn't provide the PC with a demo this year? The PC demo was supposed to be available upon release - so where is it, Konami? The game's been out a few days now.
ML was never meant to be realistic, because when it first showed up the game didn't even have leagues. People just kept asking for an actual career mode and instead of them doing a separate mode, it became a weird mix of the "fantasy club mode" it was with a realistic-wannabe career mode.
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Maybe that was OK years back, but I don't think it washes now. And I fail to see how my post was 'ignorant'.

Konami can never compete with EA for licences; that's a given. So what can they do to close the gap to Fifa? Put more content in the game - unlicenced, licenced, who gives a fuck? The modders always take care of the unlicenced stuff in any case. Provide some empty league slots for people to fill - that sort of thing. Seems to me Konami don't want to try and close the gap for some reason. Do you think it's a good thing that instead of fleshing out ML, they've gone completely barebones on it? Don't you think a more realistic mode would help close the gap to Fifa? As I said, Konami are never going to do it via licences, as they can't compete with EA financially.

I mean, this whole D1, D2 thing. What's wrong with expanding the ML to be three or four divisions which can then be populated with real life lower league teams? PES seems to strive for reality on the pitch, so why does it resemble a coin-op arcade game off it?
 
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The Doctor76 said:
Another one who thinks they can read minds! Allow me to draw your attention to this post:


And prior to that, I played Fifa because it was the only option on PC, apart from unrealistic but fun games like Sensible World of Soccer. What - so I've never played PES because I haven't heard of their dumbass made up names? From what I can remember, the option for using proper players was there as well - maybe I picked that?

As for the copy of Fifa 14 - that's already on its way. I was prepared to give PES 2014 a go, especially when I saw the early videos and the (unfounded) rumours that ML was to be improved this year. Instead, what did they do? They made it more barebones than it was before. Add to that the fact they couldn't provide the PC with a demo this year? The PC demo was supposed to be available upon release - so where is it, Konami? The game's been out a few days now.


Maybe that was OK years back, but I don't think it washes now. And I fail to see how my post was 'ignorant'.

Konami can never compete with EA for licences; that's a given. So what can they do to close the gap to Fifa? Put more content in the game - unlicenced, licenced, who gives a fuck? The modders always take care of the unlicenced stuff in any case. Provide some empty league slots for people to fill - that sort of thing. Seems to me Konami don't want to try and close the gap for some reason. Do you think it's a good thing that instead of fleshing out ML, they've gone completely barebones on it? Don't you think a more realistic mode would help close the gap to Fifa? As I said, Konami are never going to do it via licences, as they can't compete with EA financially.

I mean, this whole D1, D2 thing. What's wrong with expanding the ML to be three or four divisions which can then be populated with real life lower league teams? PES seems to strive for reality on the pitch, so why does it resemble a coin-op arcade game off it?
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You're very naive and dumb if you think EA wouldn't do anything about modders if there was similar mode to FIFA CM, but unlicensed. Sorry, but that's just dumb.

EA definitely CAN fight for what is worth it. CM is one of those game modes. If KONAMI introduced something similar, but without licenses. It would be ok. If it stayed like that, people would still buy FIFA, because, you know... Licenses do matter for people (and you admitted this too, in one of your posts, so don't be fucking ignorant).

The problem is, if modders turn those unlicensed teams, players into licensed ones, with correct stadiums, kits, etc.

THAN there is a problem I can see. Definitely it would be something EA sees too. You know EA is a bitch company? They already had processes with KONAMI over the recent years. They won almost all of them. That's how dirty EA as company is.

Better learn HOW game industry works in deep. Read about PES vs FIFA. Read about KONAMI vs EA Sports. ;)

I enjoyed original ML. Most of PES fans would still like it. Because gameplay is the most important thing.

I don't even care if FIFA has proper Career Mode model. Because you know what? Gameplay is in shambles. It's complete joke. I can tell you plethora of things which irritate me when it comes to FIFA gameplay. FIFA 14 definitely isn't a step up from FIFA 13. You enjoy broken FIFA gameplay, so be it. (I do enjoy it too, but it is not realistic or to put it better, EA doesn't strive to make realistic football game).

Maybe do us a favor and move to FIFA section? Leave valid discussion in tact here? ;)
 
The Doctor76 said:
If you're planning on a PS4 then yeah, wait for that version - no need to line EA's pockets twice.



That's a big part of the problem for me - the game has no meat on it. ML is dated and unrealistic compared to Fifa's CM. Either way, they haven't seen fit to provide the PC version with a demo, so for me no demo no sale. My days of buying a game without trying a demo first ended a long time ago - I broke that trend by buying Rome 2 because I'd waited for it almost ten years - that was a mistake.

As said before, I'm still annoyed about the lack of Ignite on PC for Fifa, but at least EA provided the ability to try their game before buying it, which is a lot more than can be said for Konami, who have lost a lot of my respect because of the way they've conducted themselves this year.
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Fifa 14 is identical to fifa 13 though. That is my main complaint. demo or no demo it is £20 for a patch?

no thanks.

I cant understand why PC users would buy the pc version of fifa when it is exactly the same as fifa 13.

i would personally feel more ripped off buying fifa 14 pc.

The more people that dont buy fifa pc or voice their concern about lack of next gen engine, the more likely EA will put the new engine on fifa 15.
 
jonneymendoza said:
Fifa 14 is identical to fifa 13 though. That is my main complaint. demo or no demo it is £20 for a patch?

no thanks.

I cant understand why PC users would buy the pc version of fifa when it is exactly the same as fifa 13.

i would personally feel more ripped off buying fifa 14 pc.

The more people that dont buy fifa pc or voice their concern about lack of next gen engine, the more likely EA will put the new engine on fifa 15.
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You know what, I can almost confirm that the way they've built up the new 'AI PLAY THROUGH THE MIDDLE!!' feature is just by changing the value range for the "Pass Range" variable in team tactics. You know why? Because of the drastic increase in short goal kicks and short corners. I mean if they really changed the way the AI played you shouldn't really be seeing this... right? But I did a lot of DB editing in FIFA 13 and this was almost exactly what you'd see if you dropped the pass range very low.

IMO the fifa 14 FEELS like a dramatic improvement because 13 was so incredibly bad (on the pitch). But it really just feels like they 'fixed' some of the broken things in 13 rather than implement new stuff.

Maybe thats why playing against the CPU feels so incredibly generic. I've played the game for like 3 days and already feel incredibly bored vs AI.
 
I see the same thing every year - angry PES fans expecting perfection on release. It never happens.

It's clear the game has been rushed to market. But the Konami coders have made a major effort this time. Come the patches, faith will be restored for most. The online problems were exactly the same last year. It took a few weeks, after which lag disappears.

There will always be a small number who will be unhappy, no matter what. But to claim that Konami owes them is childish fantasy. Really, do they not have more constructive things to do with their time? Life is too short!
 
BIG NEW BIG NEW BIG NEWS....I think!!(SINCE I HAVENT SEEN ANYONE POST THIS YET)

...Was just in the dribble training mode (basic) and finally found out how to kick the ball further ahead (similar to ps2's r1+r2 diagonal), hence allowing player to run faster with the ball :) (ill tell how in a minute)..

Firstly you have the normal dash (hold r1) which sprints with ball about 1/2m-1m ahead of player.

Then you have the double dash (r1 tapped quickly twice), which kicks the ball out in front about 2m. Great when running slow, then suddenly changing direction with the quick r1x2 for the burst of speed past the player. And this is what I also used for the quick sprint once I got past a player with no one ahead of me, ie. r1 x 2 just before I got to ball -continuously to sprint. However defenders still catch up quickly... so I was looking for a method where you can kick the ball further ahead...

Now here it is..

When you are sprinting, do this in between kicking the ball forward, ie. before you reach the ball: r1 x 2 + r3 (and hold it down). Not all at once, but consecutively, ie. double tap of the r1 followed by pressing down the right stick and then holding this button down. Do this inbetween every ball touch. Try it. It knocks the ball ahead about 3-4 meters. And whats great about this is the fact that you can keep this up while changing direction..

Also its much better than the simple r1x2 burst speed... ie.. do the slow dribble one direction, and then quickly do the r1x2+r3(click and hold) to a direction of 45-90 degrees left or right of the original direction. Its amazing.. its a change of direction at speed as well as knocking ball fwd about 3-4m instead of the normal r1x2 being approx. 2m.

Not sure if this fixes catch up bug as I haven't tried this in a match.. only at training. oh and I did this on the pc mode, but im sure itll work for the ps3 mode.. ill try that later tonight. Ill try posting some videos if I can :)

Let me know what you think :)
 
losslesscompression said:
I believe that's rumoured date for data pack, not the patch?
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There will be patch with DLC coming at same time. Just like 1.01. did with 1.00 Data pack.

Didn't it always work that way?

Plus I really do feel this game was rushed out for sale. Normally PES was released in October. Hell would be good if they had gone to October/November release if that meant they could FINISH the game by then.

Right now, it's just in much worse state than when PES 2008 was released O_o.
 
I think I will just wait for the patch before ploughing serious hours into this game. It will suffice for a few friendlies until then.

Next year there is not a chance I will pre-order this game.
 
jonneymendoza said:
Fifa 14 is identical to fifa 13 though. That is my main complaint. demo or no demo it is £20 for a patch?

no thanks.

I cant understand why PC users would buy the pc version of fifa when it is exactly the same as fifa 13.

i would personally feel more ripped off buying fifa 14 pc.

The more people that dont buy fifa pc or voice their concern about lack of next gen engine, the more likely EA will put the new engine on fifa 15.
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No your wrong, the differences are subtle but you can definitely notice them
 
Sorry, but it means you haven't played FIFA 13 with MODS.

You need Moddingway patch for 2013/2014 season + AndreaPirlo21 last FIFA 13 gameplay modification.

It plays EXACTLY or even better than FIFA 14.

There is INTERIA and MOMENTUM already in FIFA 13, though, EA disabled it by default.

this is a problem with EA. They always implement stuff for NEW FIFA in previous FIFA version, but only tweak it further.

You pay heavy money for this... I wouldn't. Knowing what modders are capable of on PC :P.
 
If Konami would make very good football game with good online I would be content with minor tweaks on following releases. In fact I'd rather had pes 6 reskins on first two xbox/ps3 gen releases instead of miserable efforts to make major changes.

Me and many people here don't say fifa has been perfect, but sales and general popularity tells otherwise unfortunately.
 
info0 said:
Sorry, but it means you haven't played FIFA 13 with MODS.

You need Moddingway patch for 2013/2014 season + AndreaPirlo21 last FIFA 13 gameplay modification.

It plays EXACTLY or even better than FIFA 14.

There is INTERIA and MOMENTUM already in FIFA 13, though, EA disabled it by default.

this is a problem with EA. They always implement stuff for NEW FIFA in previous FIFA version, but only tweak it further.

You pay heavy money for this... I wouldn't. Knowing what modders are capable of on PC :P.
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I had that patch and it was good, it made the game more harder and more realistic. But I soon got bored with it.
 
b0m83dd said:
I had that patch and it was good, it made the game more harder and more realistic. But I soon got bored with it.
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Moddingway alone is not good enough. AndreaPirlo21 gameplay patch makes it so much better (adding interia ftw!).

The thing is, he didn't publish his final version.

you have to ask him for it @soccergaming.

Makes WORLD of difference imo :P
 
played a few games this evening of pes 2014, and the game is good - but i have too many moments where i think this is great and then something stupid happens leaving me scratching my head

they are so close this year to have a decent game, just hoping the patch they bring out addresses these issues
 
I was wondering if someone could give me some advice before I buy this game. Is the PC version as laggy as the console version? My PC is a lot more powerful than your average console so I'm hoping that I'm not going to encounter any of the lag issues I've seen people complain about in the console versions.
 
info0 said:
Moddingway alone is not good enough. AndreaPirlo21 gameplay patch makes it so much better (adding interia ftw!).

The thing is, he didn't publish his final version.

you have to ask him for it @soccergaming.

Makes WORLD of difference imo :P
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Yep, but what if you want to play online?
 
Syn13 said:
I was wondering if someone could give me some advice before I buy this game. Is the PC version as laggy as the console version? My PC is a lot more powerful than your average console so I'm hoping that I'm not going to encounter any of the lag issues I've seen people complain about in the console versions.
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wait for the next patch, basically all you need to do is look here in the few threads when patch comes out
 
Jamezinho said:
I think I will just wait for the patch before ploughing serious hours into this game. It will suffice for a few friendlies until then.

Next year there is not a chance I will pre-order this game.
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Jamez my good man doesn't it feel good to get all that frustration out :)

See, look your already considering playing the game again until the patch. :P

I'm happy despite the bugs but I'm in a similar boat to you in regards to playing. I'm in a experimenting with tactics and looking into copa libertadores etc... I'm still massively enjoying my master league with Rennes buts its me getting to know the game more than rather delving deep into it.

Adam said the update comes in November, but I'm unsure because he sounded very unsure himself in the tweet. The good thing is this will be a very comprehensive patch, not just quickly fixing a few things then having to do more because the game remains unbalanced.

Now onto this interesting point.

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PES Team has an apparently small size. It must be under 90-100 people, and it's known it's not enough in today's gaming to deliver a good experience in all aspects. This is not EA where there are thousands of people available to contribute in any product development.

Apart from that, this data brings me a comparison to another known game which suffered a "unfinished release" this gen: Gran Turismo 5 from Polyphony Digital.

Kaz Yamauchi and Co. always said that he prefers to develop all the game in-studio (car modeling, physics, tracks, sound, etc.) because he wants to control the whole process (this obviously excludes any possibility of relying on 3rd-party teams for anything). I always thought this is related to a culture thing, as Japanese people are very (maybe too) proud in some things, and they don't want anyone else involved in their work.

But this approach creates one problem: they become "Jack of all trades, master of none".

In this case, PES Team want to do all work themselves (even if it's not the right solution), but they clearly can't, so they have to prioritize some aspects over others. Even then they can't bring a finished product. Add the yearly update cycle football games have, and the outcome is the unbalanced feel PES 2014 has (enjoyable gameplay, terrible content).

I think there are 2 obvious options here to resolve this:

- Work with 3rd-party studios from other locations to manage some aspects (online environment, UI design, licenses, FX sound) while the main team focus on gameplay design. This involves the need for PES Team to open their minds a bit.

- Konami investing a lot of money on PES Team so they can sign more quality devs and stick to their japanese development paradigm. They have money in the bank, they're not a poor indie dev.

What do you think?
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Now there is a good advantage to having a small inhouse team like PES team has. Everyone knows eachover, everyone has a good idea what they all do, they all been working together for a while and despite PES 2014 being unfinished on release, PES do have a reputation for having a far more solid game in terms of bugs compared to EA's mess.

When you have a huge team in FIFA and you have thousands working on the game, you have an ugly big corporate company who make unrealistic demands and sack people frequently, you have situations where parts of the game are totally unfinished because someone was sacked and the replacement didn't have enough time to get to grips with the tech.

This is why EA games in general not just FIFA always have these bugs, anyone remember the Luke Didd fiasco on FIFA 10 PC? He came in very late, had little knowledge on FIFA PC and had little time to make any substantial changes.

There is room for improvement here. Konami opened a London based studio to help out which will be key in future games especially transfers. But I don't want tons of tons of outsourced work unless these companies are reliable.
 
danhammer said:
played a few games this evening of pes 2014, and the game is good - but i have too many moments where i think this is great and then something stupid happens leaving me scratching my head

they are so close this year to have a decent game, just hoping the patch they bring out addresses these issues
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There is no chance whatsoever the patch will be worse than what we have now.

I'm certain it will fix the shooting, sort out key keeper errors like chip shots and improve defensive AI. This at the very, very least and probably more because they would of been working on this patch for a while.

The only way is up.
 
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