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FU..K
I do not mind new video IGN

I just want to play demo ..
the problem with Konami, does not release demo?
last year , 2nd demo release same time full game

WTF!!!!!!!!!!¿
 
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abriroyesejuiii said:
FU..K
I do not mind new video IGN

I just want to play demo ..
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60%, 75%, Beta or not, we want to try the demo right now. :RANT:

My bad for the smile, but is the true.

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Konami make people sick with a disease. Even a single date to not provoke more damage to anyone.
 
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Jamezinho said:
I'm not a fan of some of the changes to the tactics menu in PES over recent years.

Wing-back is a position that should still be available as it's a common feature of the 3-5-2. It's then down to the user to select the correct player for that role, or decide not to play WB's at all if the squad doesn't contain suitable players.

Other things like the covering option and attack/defence arrows for individual players.....sadly missed.

I like how the current tactics menu features sliders to adjust the style and shape of the team as a whole, but I would like to see more options for individual player commands as above.
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It's one of those things the Attack/Defence Arrows, should they be in, should they not, Its been missing for a while and it's been not available since PES 2010.

Wingbacks where taken away in PES 2012 which seemed odd with its prominent usage in Serie A and in South America. With Wing Backs and like with the attack/defence arrows, its as if they took this out to give a greater sense of individuality.

In PES 2012, there was much talk about the player runs and they way fullbacks where programmed, I don't think Konami saw a need for a 'Wing Back' Option since they ow think just setting a player up as a Full back essential has them acting as a Wing back.

'Wing Back' is now more than ever like Zee said a player Attribute, So depending on the players ATT and DEF levels and playing positions (both Lb and Lm etc..)

This opens the debate, is it better to have the option to have a 3-5-2 with 'wing backs' So whoever you put there will have to act accordingly. Or instead leave it how it is so depending on your player will determine if he will play as an wing back. Most modern Full backs, Gibbs, Rose, Walker, Rafael, G.Johnson, everyone pretty much acts like a Wing Back. Full backs before this change used to be for example Lee Dixon, Gary Neville, Primarily defensive players and helped out a bit going forward.

Most full backs these days are poor defensively.

I think I'd like to have it back, even if the player will essentially just play as a modern full back but will actively help out defensively all the time.

As for Attack/Defence Arrows, bit like with the 'Wing Back', possibly it would be ok to bring them back, but I can see exactly why they are left out, not just playing around with the positioning will modify how each player runs but again, it brings out more individuality without them. Also the arrows implementation in the old games was very simple and essentially limited a players movement just to that, not having them makes them more dynamic.

What I miss the most is the choice of Marking, either Zonal, Normal Man Marking or Tight. That is needed again.
 
DuduBR9 said:
No doubt about that. but I am fine playing on a console.

But being able to play all the best games of 2013 (GTAV and The Last of Us) on a single platform is something that has no price for me personally, a better version of PES simply doesn't compensate this honestly.
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im a ps3 man too, threw my xbox out the window when i got the dreaded RROD


im thinking demo will be week after gamescon
 
CrispX said:
60%, 75%, Beta or not, we want to try the demo. :RANT:

My bad for the smile, but is the true.
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do not really understand the situation.
only think about their benefit .. as intended to buy your game when I can not even try a "demo"

to think, I'm not interested at all a new video

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Jamezinho said:
Yes, that's my issue with too.

I'm not a fan of the player cards although I admit they are just an extension of the old special ability stars. I also dislike the overall player stat and how it changes depending on position.

In all honesty I much prefer the old tactics menus and spending time poring over player stats to make sure I'm using my players where they will be most effective.
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Problem with Overalls is that they emphasise pace and passing too much. Pacy players like Lennon, Clichy and Armero have overalls which are very high and don't give a very good indication to their overall ability.

Strikers are always rated low in terms of overalls. They aren't implemented very well for me. I think they will be better this year, however if the overalls are here to stay, maybe not to have them on show so much would help.

The good thing is the last two years haven't seen any FIFA like political ratings where players ratings are made generic so they have a high overall.
 
abriroyesejuiii said:
do not really understand the situation.
only think about their benefit .. as intended to buy your game when I can not even try a "demo"

to think, I'm not interested at all a new video

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Really?
So i preffer to not the buy the game and get piracy, just to make konami worse then as been before, think before you say something...
Thanks Seabass for the 2 demos on PES 2013, that will clear me before buy it.
 
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klashman69 said:
Most full backs these days are poor defensively.
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Not sure I agree with that although I understand where you are coming from. There are still plenty of full-backs that play the traditional role of defence first and do it very well.

Obviously in countries like Brazil the full-back is a de-facto wing-back who is expected to attack more than defend. That's why I would like a distinction between a wing-back and a full-back. Even in a conventional 4-4-2 formation, the LB and RB can be designated wing-backs. It's not the preserve of the 3-5-2 exclusively.

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What I miss the most is the choice of Marking, either Zonal, Normal Man Marking or Tight. That is needed again.
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Agreed.

This is now encompassed in the team sliders but I would like the option to 'fine tune' my tactics on a player-by-player basis.
 
abriroyesejuiii said:
assumptions, yet we know absolutely nothing.
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People here and outside and etc... don´t think first. :YAWN:
I only see this...

Where is the Demo?
Demo???
Demo When???
And then a few meme images.
Bring that dam demo konami or else...
And final... Fake users (Bot) posting a demo
(fake images, tell to us they have the demo bla, bla, bla)
and the real deal is pay to that website to get virus.
 
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klashman69 said:
Problem with Overalls is that they emphasise pace and passing too much. Pacy players like Lennon, Clichy and Armero have overalls which are very high and don't give a very good indication to their overall ability.

Strikers are always rated low in terms of overalls. They aren't implemented very well for me. I think they will be better this year, however if the overalls are here to stay, maybe not to have them on show so much would help.

The good thing is the last two years haven't seen any FIFA like political ratings where players ratings are made generic so they have a high overall.
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Yep, which is why, in an ideal world, I would get rid of the overall ratings completely. The hexagon is all you need to get a good idea of a player's general strengths and weaknesses.

I understand why the overall rating is there as it probably serves a purpose for the casual crowd who won't look through player stats like I will. Picking players based on a tenuous overall number saves time I suppose.

Before the overall ratings were introduced it was necessary to look at your squad more carefully. I enjoyed not knowing who the better players were and having to try different players to get an idea of their quality.
 
Abut the demo.
Everything points that the announcement will not be the date of release, it will be the demo itself. Like:

"The demo is out today!"

There's no time left to do an announcement date anymore
 
Deluxe said:
Abut the demo.
Everything points that the announcement will not be the date of release, it will be the demo itself. Like:

"The demo is out today!"

There's no time left to do an announcement date anymore
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So Konami will be Completely, Ridiculous, Retired, Fool all togheter.
All-in-one.

It seems konami don´t have people to work or release the demo date only, and make us stupid.
Example they had 100 to work on the full game, and they don´t have 5 people to work only on the demo?
I wish i can have a job only just to complete the demo.
 
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Jamezinho said:
Not sure I agree with that although I understand where you are coming from. There are still plenty of full-backs that play the traditional role of defence first and do it very well.
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Come to think of it, which young full backs are in the mould of your traditional Gary Neville, Lee Dixon, Dennis Irwin Full Back who are sound defensively and do help out going forward a bit but their game is to be solid defensively.

I think I only see that when teams stick a versatile Center Back such as Smalling, Grant Hanely, Martin Kelly or Phil Jones out there.

Jamezinho said:
Yep, which is why, in an ideal world, I would get rid of the overall ratings completely. The hexagon is all you need to get a good idea of a player's general strengths and weaknesses.
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I think your right in that the Hexagon is all you need now, The overall stat could be hidden totally or only available in edit mode.
 
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klashman69 said:
Come to think of it, which young full backs are in the mould of your traditional Gary Neville, Lee Dixon, Dennis Irwin Full Back who are sound defensively and do help out going forward a bit but their game is to be solid defensively.

I think I only see that when teams stick a versatile Center Back such as Smalling, Grant Hanely, Martin Kelly or Phil Jones out there.
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That kind of player is becoming less common but that's not to say they aren't capable defenders. The modern full-back really has to have a good all-round game and plenty of energy.
 
Jamezinho said:
That kind of player is becoming less common but that's not to say they aren't capable defenders. The modern full-back really has to have a good all-round game and plenty of energy.
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Kieran Gibbs (When he is fit)

Decent a defending :) Great pace, stamina, good going forward and offering support rather than creating anything.
 
spektarm said:
+1

Add to that the awesome individual arrows and the newer generation's team sliders and you've got the best tactics setup ever made in a footie game.
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I suppouse arrows expired when Konami started creating automatic positional sequences. Although this system is likely to lead to scripted maneuvers, I find it richer than the old arrows system.


As for Attack/Defence Arrows, bit like with the 'Wing Back', possibly it would be ok to bring them back, but I can see exactly why they are left out, not just playing around with the positioning will modify how each player runs but again, it brings out more individuality without them. Also the arrows implementation in the old games was very simple and essentially limited a players movement just to that, not having them makes them more dynamic.

What I miss the most is the choice of Marking, either Zonal, Normal Man Marking or Tight. That is needed again.
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This (by Klashman69).
 
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YouTube - Pes 2014 [demo] Festigame 2014-CHILE

Watch this video. Look at that fucking pressure!! My God! When will they sort this out ?

There are circunstances in wich you can see three players almost raping (at 0:41 and 0:57 to be more specific) the other player and gettinf the ball with no foul (oh God, please, make WE9 defence style comeback one day to make people learn how to defend like in a footbal game). The "german" guy just defend using secound pressure, no skills, no thinking, just second pressure buuton and sprint button held down, and he gets the advantage in almost every encounter with no foul.

Look at around 2:15, the guy playing as germany sprint and hold down the presure button with the CB, wich is completetly non sense in that circunstance(very high risk, irl this is a very dumb decision), but he wins the fucking ball.

See why online is unplayble ? Because of the pass assistance and specially this diabolical pressure unbalancing the game.:RANT:

People don't care about taking players out of position, they mess up the defence position but still get huge advantage with this brainless pressure.

It is impossible to have a decent and realistic football with this insane pressure, we will never have one until they finally focus on balancing this aspect of the game.

:RANT:

It seems that the mentality of these people is something like: OMG how dare you have ball possession for longer than 1 second you son of a... I am going to hunt you

Jessu Christ, I am sick of this already!!
 
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After 2 years of new defending controls, what's your opinion? It's a better system than the previous one, or it's change for the sake of change?

DuduBR9, until they redesign the stamina system, there will always be this unrealistic nonsense, both online and vs. the CPU. IRL a football player can only make heavy pressing during 35-40 min, then he's exhausted for the rest of the match.
 
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NikoLiberty4 said:
After 2 years of new defending controls, what's your opinion? It's a better system than the previous one, or it's change for the sake of change?

DuduBR9, until they redesign the stamina system at least, there will always be this unrealistic nonsense, both online and vs. the CPU. IRL a football player can only make heavy pressing during 35-40 min, then he's exhausted for the rest of the match.
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But irl, even when players are physically in good conditions to pressure the opponent, if two or more player pressure the man on the ball together, the probability of making a foul increase significantly compared to a 1 vs 1 battle, so it's really just not a staminia issue. Pressureing a player from behind would also increase the risk of conceding a foul. WE9 was a game that almost nailed this, you could not pressure a player with that much agressiveness, you would end up taking your opponent down. You could easily see that pressuring from behind would increase the possibility of conceding a foul, same for second pressure.

Not to count that pressure has to be more contextual. In some circunstances, if a defender is not enough close to the man with the ball under possession and he (the dfender) decides to go straight up to him, he could leave a huge space behind and the man on the ball could dribble him and get 1-1 with he keeper. The game should make players think more about the risk of leaving too much space by moving players away from their positions with the pressure, but as long as you can always call the second pressure and attack the man on the bal with two men or even from behind with minimal risk of conceding a foul, then it's all fine. :TTTH:

Bring back the WE9 referees and let players lose their ballance and fall more easily, earning their dserved freekick. That's what footbal games have been needing, not just a new staminia system.
 
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I really miss the pes5/we9 foul system. agree fully w/ Dudu, that was the best system.

There should be a foul slider in the game to please all gamers.
 
DuduBR9 said:
YouTube - Pes 2014 [demo] Festigame 2014-CHILE

Watch this video. Look at that fucking pressure!! My God! When will they sort this out ?

There are circunstances in wich you can see three players almost raping (at 0:41 and 0:57 to be more specific) the other player and gettinf the ball with no foul (oh God, please, make WE9 defence style comeback one day to make people learn how to defend like in a footbal game). The "german" guy just defend using secound pressure, no skills, no thinking, just second pressure buuton and sprint button held down, and he gets the advantage in almost every encounter with no foul.

Look at around 2:15, the guy playing as germany sprint and hold down the presure button with the CB, wich is completetly non sense in that circunstance(very high risk, irl this is a very dumb decision), but he wins the fucking ball.

See why online is unplayble ? Because of the pass assistance and specially this diabolical pressure unbalancing the game.:RANT:

People don't care about taking players out of position, they mess up the defence position but still get huge advantage with this brainless pressure.

It is impossible to have a decent and realistic football with this insane pressure, we will never have one until they finally focus on balancing this aspect of the game.

:RANT:

It seems that the mentality of these people is something like: OMG how dare you have ball possession for longer than 1 second you son of a... I am going to hunt you

Jessu Christ, I am sick of this already!!
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dude winning eleven used to have unrealistic pressure as well, which was very frustrating, as for the pressure in this game, im still on the fence cause the team doing the pressure is italy they have the players to do that, now on the other if every single team pressured like that, yes i agree you its a big turn off for me too.
 
I am in love with t the Chilean box art for PES2014. I think Konami should do a UCL box art theme exactly the same way but with all the teams they have licensed in the CL.

It would look great and be. A great advert for the license.

PS I think they will announce at Gamescon that the demo will be released next week
 
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