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_anderson said:
Please don't tell me you're buying the "old code" talk. The reason it all looks so different is precisely because this is post-community-feedback code.
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it's obviously a more advanced build
more stadiums
different teams

and like you said it's clear this is so different in animations because of the feedback

we can only hope it's a sort of transition build and that the final build will have smooth animations
 
GKs look disappointing as usual.

But at least on PC, you could global edit GK ratings to the 90s to make them dive decently.

With the way form arrows are currently, I'm not confident over the Heart system.

Imagine AI striker Red arrow + Heart, you're pretty much screwed LOL.

Or your GK on blue and concede a soft goal thus losing motivation. Might as well turn off the game.

Oh well, we will see.
 
They don't remove entire animations, they make them (and the transitions between each other) several times shorter to improve responsiveness.

FIFA does it in several different ways depending on the situation, sometimes the speed up parts of the animation, other times they remove a few frames; and Konami probably does similar stuff as well.

http://www.gdcvault.com/play/1012342/
 
Shikashi said:
Are you for real? So, you mean to tell me that Konami has been sitting on 4 or 5 videos since before E3 and is only releasing them now? Or that a code based around the E3 build time looks massively inferior?

Is anyone actually falling for this nonsense?
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My thoughts exactly.
If this was true, which I refuse to believe, then the whole "Demo delay" thing had been planned all along. Otherwise, why would they keep these videos 'private' for all this time based on an old code of the game? It makes no sense.

If this was true, then that means they didn't show this videos earlier because they wanted to show them when the Demo got delayed and they needed something to keep the beasts quiet.
 
lons_pl said:
Seriously do You think they done it intentionally? :SHOCK::SHOCK: Which changes? Reduce new animations?:CONFUSE: Reduce quality of animations? :SHOCK: nonsens
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How many times KONAMI made nonsense decisions? Many times.

I think they had to react quickly to people complaining about inertia issues. What was the fastest way to do this? Remove transition animations. Done.
 
lons_pl said:
Seriously do You think they done it intentionally? :SHOCK::SHOCK: Which changes? Reduce new animations?:CONFUSE: Reduce quality of animations? Reduce fluid animations? :SHOCK: nonsens
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It's possible, as Konami did the same in other editions. For example, the trick they used in PES 2012 to increase smoothness in movement was just cutting animation frames.
 
Ameppe said:
How many times KONAMI made nonsense decisions? Many times.

I think they had to react quickly to people complaining about inertia issues. What was the fastest way to do this? Remove transition animations. Done.
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They don't remove them, they either make them much faster or remove several frames.

The game becomes much more responsive but the effects of momentum/inertia start to disappear.
 
Shikashi said:
Explain how Santos has the kits for this season in the new videos, but has last year's kits for the E3 build then. Yet, somehow, this is old code.
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Updated kits mean nothing. You can update kits on an older build, as was suggested in the page previous. If anyone lied, it's Adam. Take this issue up w/ him. He stated something, and I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt here. Maybe the kits were updated very close to the end of E3. So much speculation. Just tweet him. He'll respond.
 
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Xav1 said:
Updated kits mean nothing. You can update kits and use the same footage from an older build, as was suggested in the page previous.
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Yes, because they would bother to update kits on older footage, even if it was pre-recorded on the engine.

Starting to sound like addicts in denial.
 
What is interesting about the Heart video is how the animations don't look as good compared to a similar build in the first two attacking play videos released yesterday and Tuesday.

The gameplay footage also seemed rather scripted, I think this is a case of Konami just showing examples of what situations heart will work in and used some old scripted footage to show this. Which would make sense. Konami's intention where not animation quality here, instead just 'How' heart works. The two vids yesterday and tuesday seemed to be just as good as what we saw at E3.

Very few elements of that video seemed to be live gameplay footage.

As shown before that slide tackle was exactly the same in the last bayern/santos video.

As usual people are going apeshit over nothing. Calm down.
 
mna said:
E3 VIDEO - June 12th

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HEART VIDEO - August 15th

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CLEARLY, the HEART video is from a new code.
Neymar is no longer in Santos.

What more proof do you need to realize and assume Konami screwed it all up?.
 
I corrected myself. Jeez. "You can update kits on an older build,.."

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klashman69 said:
What is interesting about the Heart video is how the animations don't look as good compared to a similar build in the first two attacking play videos released yesterday and Tuesday.

The gameplay footage also seemed rather scripted, I think this is a case of Konami just showing examples of what situations heart will work in and used some old scripted footage to show this. Which would make sense. Konami's intention where not animation quality here, instead just 'How' heart works. The two vids yesterday and tuesday seemed to be just as good as what we saw at E3.

Very few elements of that video seemed to be live gameplay footage.

As shown before that slide tackle was exactly the same in the last bayern/santos video.

As usual people are going apeshit over nothing. Calm down.
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_anderson said:
They don't remove them, they either make them much faster or remove several frames.

The game becomes much more responsive but the effects of momentum/inertia start to disappear.
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do you think there is a chance this is just a temporary solution because they are trying to solve inertia issues and animations will be smooth again in final build or am i just deluding myself?
 
Xav1 said:
Updated kits mean nothing. You can update kits on an older build, as was suggested in the page previous. If anyone lied, it's Adam. Take this issue up w/ him. He stated something, and I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt here. Maybe the kits were updated very close to the end of E3. So much speculation. Just tweet him. He'll respond.
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You actually believe someone is about to update kits on a 3 month old build and release gameplay videos from it.

I don't need to write anything else after that.
 
Many on here seem to think Adam lied in the tweet I posted. Is that the case? AND EVERYONE DISREGARDS THE GK GLITCH VIDEO. WHY? It is CLEARLY from the newest build we have seen, and is MILES ahead of the Heart video we saw. Respond to that.
 
New Pes video? look's like lami has some cleaning up to do!

also for people who don't like idea of heart, they already said you can turn it off so chill people, i'll reserve my thoughts and opinion fully til i get my hands on the demo and final product, not through videos and screens.
 
Asim's SINGULAR view on INERTIA somehow MADE Konami change the game drastically for the worse. Great thought process lads. I was sarcastic when I suggested that before.
 
Xav1 said:
Many on here seem to think Adam lied in the tweet I posted. Is that the case? AND EVERYONE DISREGARDS THE GK GLITCH VIDEO. WHY? It is CLEARLY from the newest build we have seen, and is MILES ahead of the Heart video we saw. Respond to that.
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Offscreen footage
Offscreen always feels smoother and more colourful than real ingame footage.
 
Xav1 said:
Many on here seem to think Adam lied in the tweet I posted. Is that the case?
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Nah, what community manager would tell his community exactly what they wanted to hear so they buy the game and he keeps his job?

Xav1 said:
Asim's SINGULAR view somehow MADE Konami change the game drastically for the worse. Great thought process lads. I was sarcastic when I suggested that before.
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Do you even remember the content of Asim's feedback? He was the one to point out that the game looked more and more like PES2013.
 
Ameppe said:
Offscreen footage
Offscreen always feels smoother and more colourful than real ingame footage.
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I was looking at the quality of animations though. And, it IS in game footage in the Gk video. What is the difference between offscreen and in game footage? Aren't they both from in game?
_anderson said:
Do you even remember the content of Asim's feedback? He was the one to point out that the game looked more and more like PES2013.
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I was speaking about a specific quote of Asim's where he said that he felt that footplanting was non-existant.

mna said:
erm, i know. we are talking about why the new heart video looks so bad, and people are saying its because the code is older than e3. updated kits prove otherwise
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Fair enough. It still looks much worse than the GK glitch video. What's your reason for that? If its later than the e3 build, it's probably a few days later AND NOT developmentally close to the GK glitch video build. But, w/e.
 
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Am I missing your point then!? That's precisely what we're seeing here, because if you start trimming/warping animations your player will start ignoring certain laws of physics.
 
_anderson said:
Am I missing your point then!? That's precisely what we're seeing here, because if you start trimming/warping animations your player will start ignoring certain laws of physics.
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My point is that the game has improved since e3, not regressed. As evidenced by the GK glitch video. The heart video may have been taken a small time after e3, but the PAX video is taken from a much more RECENT build and looks, to me, MUCH BETTER.
 
mna said:
genuinely, i like that we can own up when we are wrong
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Really hope you meant 'we'. :P Will hold you to that in future, b/c you may be incorrect about the GK glitch build entirely.

mna said:
i think new heart video is newer code than preview code because animations have been cut to improve response times. animations are clearly worse and choppier to improve response.
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Imho, its the video resolution and rendering that make it look choppy. Not the animations themselves. Framerate issues look prevalent here. There is almost no way that the game ends up being choppier than was previously. Konami wouldn't let that happen. HOPEFULLY.. *SIGH . Literally, from second 1, the video looks choppy. The scene with the crowd looks choppy and everything thereafter. I really think it was poor rendering rather than the entire game looking gaining slideshow effects.
 
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mna said:
i maybe, i know that. but for me the logic is: preview codes were given out to people to play at home, that video appears like it is played at home

as for the heart video, again my logic is this: i know konami are stupid at certain things, but WHY, dear god WHY release a new video with a 2 month old code? especially when other videos have been released with (apparently) newer code? seems to stupid even for konami
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It is a mystery. But I REALLY don't think they created these videos using a build that was probably updated this week. It would be less time consuming and arduous for them to just do one a while ago and sit back and wait to release.

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i think new heart video is newer code than preview code because animations have been cut to improve response times. animations are clearly worse and choppier to improve response.

My response:

Imho, its the video resolution and rendering that make it look choppy. Not the animations themselves. Framerate issues look prevalent here. There is almost no way that the game ends up being choppier than was previously. Konami wouldn't let that happen. HOPEFULLY.. *SIGH . Literally, from second 1, the video looks choppy. The scene with the crowd looks choppy and everything thereafter. I really think it was poor rendering rather than the entire game looking gaining slideshow effects.

Watch it again. The ENTIRE VIDEO is choppy. Not just PORTIONS OF IT.
 
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