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Why are we still going on about this? The demo is coming out later. They're not locked out.
 
_anderson said:
I think they might have returned to fake cloth animations instead of realtime cloth physics. Kits look so stiff in comparison with previous footage.
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I think we will have 2 types of shirts in the game, notice that video between France and Spain, the spannish kit still the same as E3, very loose and with movement, while France kit looks like PES13
 
suprised everyones worried about gamespeed Adam said on twitter weeks ago the gamespeed at E3 was fed back to the team in japan thats its perfect and fans dont want it to be changed
 
The potential for using the players' weight into fooling defenders with changes of directions is huge IMHO.
 
From watching these gamescom videos game pace looks just about right. Maybe slow at times but I'm ok with it.
 
I am loving what I'm seeing so far. No early PC demo is a little sad but understandable. The new GC trailer seems to be teasing the new Master League interface. Have Konami mentioned any improvements being made to the Master League?
 
Simcut said:
I knew the Jenkey unlock all teams sort of patch would cause problems, but its Konami's fault for not closing off parts of the game for the demo :/
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Quite simply, this. I'm not condoning hackers at all but when you leave most of the game code and content in a simple demo, you're always leaving it open to abuse.

Other devs put out PC demos without issue so in my opinion Konami should take most of the blame here.

Lami said:
But don't go blaming konami fully for what the PC community has done throughout the years to their game.
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What, such as massively improved it?

Lami said:
I feel sorry for the legit ones.
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Yes, sadly the decent majority of PC gamers are being punished.

Lami said:
Why are we still going on about this? The demo is coming out later. They're not locked out.
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Because I've just got up after a 12 hour night shift and wanted to have my say. :))

Anyway, I think the only thing I can do is cancel my PC pre-order and wait for the demo. I always try before I buy unless it's a dirt cheap Steam sale purchase. My pre-order would drop through my door before the demo, and that makes no sense.

Such a shame Konami have soured things for us PC gamers. They are quite happy to showcase their game on the PC with screenshots the consoles aren't capable of.
 
Lami said:
Why are we still going on about this? The demo is coming out later. They're not locked out.
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They're still locked out from testing the demo on useful time, which basically means the same as not having a demo out at all.

Releasing a demo AFTER retail is "everywhere" else has the same effect as releasing an exploitable demo. Without wanting to disrespect the rules about the warez talk, let's just say that PC users have the chance to be pragmatic about it all.

The most eager will be playing the game first and decide whether or not it's worth the buy afterwards.
 
Yep, the game speed is ok. The A.I and the awareness are still an issue, by the looks of it. Just 29 days... I can endure the pain of waiting!
 
_anderson said:
They're still locked out from testing the demo on useful time, which basically means the same as not having a demo out at all.

Releasing a demo AFTER retail is "everywhere" else has the same effect as releasing an exploitable demo. Without wanting to disrespect the rules about the warez talk, let's just say that PC users have the chance to be pragmatic about it all.

The most eager will be playing the game first and decide whether or not it's worth the buy afterwards.
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I'm seeing it from a company's POV though. If I spend so much on my product I wouldn't appreciate seeing it on the web for free. Yes I'd try to find ways to secure it better, but it just won't sit well with me for next time. I'd probably drop the demo a day or 2 before retail as that may be not enough time for anyone to hack.

Of course from a consumer POV it's different. Still, it is their game and I'd have to wait to decide. I can't justify breaking rules because it doesn't suit me.
 
A better demo is required that doesn't leave the game open to abuse.

Also, I don't buy the excuse about revealing licences. By mid-September all of that will be known anyway.
 
A demo just a couple of days before release would be a good decision. A better decision would be to remove all the possibly exploitable content from the game.

From a company's point of view, is it wise to treat a major part of your community so differently from the other because you couldn't properly secure your code on previous years? Not really.

I could be wrong, but I think the negative impact of this decision will be greater than the positive one.
 
_anderson said:
A demo just a couple of days before release would be a good decision. A better decision would be to remove all the possibly exploitable content from the game.

From a company's point of view, is it wise to treat a major part of your community so differently from the other because you couldn't properly secure your code on previous years? Not really.

I could be wrong, but I think the negative impact of this decision will be greater than the positive one.
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Agree 1000% - Konami can't blame people for being intrigued and want to look at the code to find information out, it's poor show of them to blame it on the community and punish them by releasing the demo at/after release. It's just a sign of laziness really
 
No matter what, the hacker will find a way to get around that. I don't think this decision will affect PC community that much. Maybe only for those whose life revolve around PES will greatly affected. I'm serious because there's a lot of quality release alongside PES to look upon in coming weeks.
 
Gari Clark ‏@GariClark 13s
Just played newer code of PES 2014 at Konami and I'm very happy. So much better than show floor code.
 
_anderson said:
A demo just a couple of days before release would be a good decision. A better decision would be to remove all the possibly exploitable content from the game.

From a company's point of view, is it wise to treat a major part of your community so differently from the other because you couldn't properly secure your code on previous years? Not really.

I could be wrong, but I think the negative impact of this decision will be greater than the positive one.
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Yes, I'd be more than happy with a demo two or three days prior to release. How much damage can be done at that point?
 
if the demo release later than actual game then people will hack the game first instead of the demo. do konami not think about these things?
 
losslesscompression said:
No matter what, the hacker will find a way to get around that. I don't think this decision will affect PC community that much. Maybe only for those whose life revolve around PES will greatly affected. I'm serious because there's a lot of quality release alongside PES to look upon in coming weeks.
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Mate, ask anyone on the editing part of this forum. The one with more than one million posts.
 
seppovich said:
Gari Clark ‏@GariClark 13s
Just played newer code of PES 2014 at Konami and I'm very happy. So much better than show floor code.
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so why they don't show this code to all the gamescom attended ? don't they want to show the game at his best ?
 
Did anyone found a video.... with Spain, Germany and Portugal.... and it would even better if in that video they showed the teams screen..... I really need it!!
Thanks anyway! :WORSHIP:
 
Calling it hacking is bullshit and offensive to the dozens of talented modders who breathed life into PES/WE for so many years, without them there would be no PES/WE today.

The demo was modded, modded to add more teams and balls and such, if Konami didn't want that they shouldn't have been lazy and included data/code they didn't want to reveal publicy.

That said, PES2014 is looking very nice, hopefully it will fix a lot of the little annoyances and niggles I have with PES2013 (currently at 114 hours of ML starting from July 27th this year)
 
Im not sure releasing a demo around retail release date is a wise move. I think this will increase the chance of piracy. Some people will obviously chose to try the full game rather than the demo if they are released at the same time and probably not get around to buying it..just a thought
 
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