PES 2012 PC Demo talk

[uksix]

I'm a tad confused with skills. So you can do skills with just the analogue and aslo with LT+anagloge? Is there any others since I was doing the Maradona turn with LB and a few other tricks with RB. anyone help?


Also, what do you press/do when your reciving a pass and instead of taking a touch you let the ball through your legs? It used to be RB (I think) but it doesnt seem to work. In many situations I could of had this to go onto a break.

 

[StarEye]

X360 pads are also PC pads. They belong just as much on the PC as they do on the X360 console. A game supporting an X360 pad doesn't make it a port.

Also, making a footballgame that would require a very powerful PC would be a very bad business decision. They're also not particularly known to push the hardware very much.

 

[_anderson]

I'm a tad confused with skills. So you can do skills with just the analogue and aslo with LT+anagloge? Is there any others since I was doing the Maradona turn with LB and a few other tricks with RB. anyone help?


Also, what do you press/do when your reciving a pass and instead of taking a touch you let the ball through your legs? It used to be RB (I think) but it doesnt seem to work. In many situations I could of had this to go onto a break.

I'm actually not too sure about tricks anymore since I don't use them apart from some stepovers with the right stick.

About letting the ball through your legs, pressing solely RB and nothing else still does it for me.

 

[norsende]

+1.
Just like (almost) every year eversince PES 2008, the initial excitement is now gone, vanished.

The first 3 matches I was like " damn, this PES is really good".

After 10 matches I was like " Hmmm... something smells a little fishy here."

After 30-some matches I'm like " Errr.... it is definetely wrong, annoying and at times it's even un-enjoyable."


Back to FIFA 11 now.

That is exactly how I felt, first 3 matches really were full of wow moments and thinking it would equal or even better FIFA. How wrong was I.. truly unenjoyable.

 

[razib_46]

I can't understand why KONAMI adds the "Full Manual" features when they're still assisted. Let's hope for next Demo or for the final release. I want to play PES 2012 without boring semi-automatic passes, crosses and shoots.

 

[mr_man]

I can't understand why KONAMI adds the "Full Manual" features when they're still assisted. Let's hope for next Demo or for the final release. I want to play PES 2012 without boring semi-automatic passes, crosses and shoots.

If I'm honest, I hope that day never comes. But if that's what the people want...

 

[tyouto]

Many of the cons of PES 2011 still apply

-Player switching needs improving
-Keepers are still prone to acting like De Gea
-Passes going to the wrong player

sorry to cut your post, but if konami cant fix all of them at least fix this top 3, it's essential IMO

teriible Player Switching make my defence so stupid, i cant switch to player that i want to move for covering the CPU attacker, konami please everybody has their own style for defence none of your assisted, semi-assisted nor unassisted can provide this one

lack response from Goal Keeper also really annoying, CPU attacker ruin my 1 goal lead (thats hard to get) only with a slow speculation kick from 30 meter distance

and for the passing, sometimes its going to right player sometimes not, sometimes its fix with power that i want (as hard as i push the button), sometimes not

 

[kernel32]

About the freekick, it's way too easy to score if you use a second player to set up the main kicker. I've tried 5 times so far, and the success rate has been 100%. I can see it being exploited if it's not changed in the full game.

YouTube - PES 2012 DEMO easy freekicks

 

[_anderson]

Just got murdered by Barcelona. 5-0 on Professional, I was Porto. They're too good lol.

 

[pes4lyfe]

Ok played more games and initial wow PES is back factor is starting to fade sadly.

1. Keepers. We all know this..I wont go in detail.but wtf.Worst in PES series. Surely fixed before release.

2. Shooting. It just dont feel right. Shots just dont seem that powerful often. Even when I score a powered type shot it just dont feel like it did in PEs3 etc...also I maybe need to work on shooting but its seems not that great to me atm? Though I can score screamers, often shots just feel weak or weird

Remember PES3 you could get Zidane and dominate midfeild, dribbles, long shots, passes or R.Carols bomb down the wing and blast into top corner from 30 yds, Or Ronadlo skin forwards and pull away from them. This individual facotr is still not back.. I miss that from old PES. BEckham had a great cross but not good at dribblign with pace, MArtins/Saviola could beat offside trap and not be caught, Rivaldo could blast in 35 yarders, Recoba could dribble, curl shots from distance, take a mean FK, Jaap Stam would win every ball in the air and was hard to get passed, cafu and Lizarazu etc could bomb up the wings, Finidi Geroge was like Usain Bolt, Jay JAY ockahe had mad skills and amaizng close control etc..You felt like you had control off the players as they were IRL.

I don think this feeling is back?

I miss the feeling off being in control off the individual almost life like. I dont know why they cant do that no more.

Try PES3 maybe Pes4..then try PES 2012 demo its not back to old PEs quite at all I think?

 

[seppovich]

I still do not know why people compare PES with FIFA.
The games have different feel.
You can make PES doesn't look like Football in FIFA you can't because of the scripts. E.g. FIFA would not allow you to miss the ball if you want to volley-clear in the defense.
Same in some offense actions. In PES you can miss the ball. In FIFA you have only a few directions to shoot at which i personally do not like.

 

[vivek1412]

I still do not know why peaople compare PES with FIFA.
The games have different feel.

Exactly!
The two games are totally different in their philosophy and idea of football. This competition provides us with 2 great football titles year after year! instead of moaning we should be thankful.

 

[DagsJT]

Just got murdered by Barcelona. 5-0 on Professional, I was Porto. They're too good lol.

How did you add Barca? Cant seem to find a thread in the demo editing section.

 

[squidward]

0 speed very slow

 

[Daisuk]

Having played a few more games now, I'm kind of losing the feeling of this game. There's a tendency towards too many goals both ways, and it's probably due to the fact that defending against skilled attackers is so damn hard. Should be fixed for the full game.

 

[nerf]

Watch this video when Giggs runs to the top. It's just constant and the AI just chooses the nearest player to send after me.

YouTube - pes2012 2011-08-24 22-17-56-50222.avi

There's two things exhibited in this video that I really didn't like in the demo.

As Stardog pointed out, one is the double pressure from the CPU. Excessive, particularly from attackers.

The other is the complete lack of defensive shape (and the first point compounds this, but isn't the entire cause). Pause that video just as it ticks over from 0:24 to 0:25. There are two defenders stood in the same spot in the left back area, and two more defenders stood close together a little further infield. Spacing between defenders and overall team shape is almost non-existent.

Romagnoli talked in his playtest review about how the team works defensively as a unit, covering for each other... that might be true, but unfortunately they do so without holding any recognisable shape. This is not how real professional teams defend in the modern game.

 

[AlaaEG]

There's two things exhibited in this video that I really didn't like in the demo.

As Stardog pointed out, one is the double pressure from the CPU. Excessive, particularly from attackers.

The other is the complete lack of defensive shape (and the first point compounds this, but isn't the entire cause). Pause that video just as it ticks over from 0:24 to 0:25. There are two defenders stood in the same spot in the left back area, and two more defenders stood close together a little further infield. Spacing between defenders and overall team shape is almost non-existent.

Romagnoli talked in his playtest review about how the team works defensively as a unit, covering for each other... that might be true, but unfortunately they do so without holding any recognisable shape. This is not how real professional teams defend in the modern game.

Have to agree with that too.

 

[danyjr]

0 speed very slow

 

[yair25]

i am sick of this pes5-6 or fifa is better stop it move on we are in 2011 not 2006 that it, lets forget about the past alredy,the old games is the past and now that what we have pes2012 and its a great game, not prefect, but still for me its the bast game out ever.

 

[Jimmy G-Force]

So you mean that i should hold and then press when the time is right? Won't that just make the player i control slide instead of the keeper?

Forget that, it doesnt work. I expected it to, but it simply cant be in this code.

 

[Hawke]

How did you add Barca? Cant seem to find a thread in the demo editing section.

Dags... -> http://pes2008editing.blogspot.com/2011/08/peseditcom-2012-demo-fc-barcelona-patch.html

 

[AlaaEG]

Why is this always happening? Lots of AI defenders running everywhere!

Spoiler

 

[sedax]

I didnt like original demo version but with gameplay patches i m starting to feel it a bit. I guess i also wont be satisfied with original version much but it will have a huge tweaking potential and i will get what i want. I want to play games 60-90 minutes and i need heavier ball physics a bit slower gamespeed and realistic accuracy levels to get that.

When i look at controls i see a lot of special attacking controls which are great and very affective but there are just 2 defensive controls.(I m talking about picture in another thread.)We need more special defensive moves there.For example when i challange the attacker i want to push him with left stick + a trigger. I feel so much freedom when attacking, because 360 is better and it doesnt feel scripted (Manual passing needs work though).But i dont feel that when i defense. We decide timing that'a good start but stealing the ball from feet or cutting the passing lanes arent only ways to defend.Defenders can physically abuse attackers.So it must be speed vs power.If we just have to rely on timing we are at a big disadvantage from the beginning.Because defenders naturally react and move slower than attackers.

That's all i want to say for now.

 

[drag]

i am sick of this pes5-6 or fifa is better stop it move on we are in 2011 not 2006 that it, lets forget about the past alredy,the old games is the past and now that what we have pes2012 and its a great game, not prefect, but still for me its the bast game out ever.

the only way to stop thinking about the past is making a better game than PES 6, its as simple as that

 

[khalev]

Ok played more games and initial wow PES is back factor is starting to fade sadly.

1. Keepers. We all know this..I wont go in detail.but wtf.Worst in PES series. Surely fixed before release.

2. Shooting. It just dont feel right. Shots just dont seem that powerful often. Even when I score a powered type shot it just dont feel like it did in PEs3 etc...also I maybe need to work on shooting but its seems not that great to me atm? Though I can score screamers, often shots just feel weak or weird

Remember PES3 you could get Zidane and dominate midfeild, dribbles, long shots, passes or R.Carols bomb down the wing and blast into top corner from 30 yds, Or Ronadlo skin forwards and pull away from them. This individual facotr is still not back.. I miss that from old PES. BEckham had a great cross but not good at dribblign with pace, MArtins/Saviola could beat offside trap and not be caught, Rivaldo could blast in 35 yarders, Recoba could dribble, curl shots from distance, take a mean FK, Jaap Stam would win every ball in the air and was hard to get passed, cafu and Lizarazu etc could bomb up the wings, Finidi Geroge was like Usain Bolt, Jay JAY ockahe had mad skills and amaizng close control etc..You felt like you had control off the players as they were IRL.

I don think this feeling is back?

I miss the feeling off being in control off the individual almost life like. I dont know why they cant do that no more.

Try PES3 maybe Pes4..then try PES 2012 demo its not back to old PEs quite at all I think?

Totally agree with this

 

[ono5985]

I played some more last night. 'Meh' sums it up for me now really.

It has a take it or leave it feel to it for me. Some aspects are very good. I love the considered pace of the game. I just feel detached from the game. I don't feel immersed in it like i did back in the old days. The bits that are supposed to be good, just aren't, and it's because of stupid bugs and issues, and to be honest i don't have much faith in Konami rectifying them in time for release.

Scoring a goal just doesn't feel that good. Dodgy shooting and dodgy keeper animations/buggy keepers in general just completely ruin the experience.

I don't know, it's hard to judge on ten minute matches because i usually play double that...at least, but i just don't feel the need or the urge to play another game straight after it like i used to do.

I've just ordered PES5 on the PC from Amazon. It cost me 1p. Haha. I'm going to get a mod for it. PES5 was the shit.

 

[scatmancrothers]

Ok played more games and initial wow PES is back factor is starting to fade sadly.

1. Keepers. We all know this..I wont go in detail.but wtf.Worst in PES series. Surely fixed before release.

2. Shooting. It just dont feel right. Shots just dont seem that powerful often. Even when I score a powered type shot it just dont feel like it did in PEs3 etc...also I maybe need to work on shooting but its seems not that great to me atm? Though I can score screamers, often shots just feel weak or weird

Remember PES3 you could get Zidane and dominate midfeild, dribbles, long shots, passes or R.Carols bomb down the wing and blast into top corner from 30 yds, Or Ronadlo skin forwards and pull away from them. This individual facotr is still not back.. I miss that from old PES. BEckham had a great cross but not good at dribblign with pace, MArtins/Saviola could beat offside trap and not be caught, Rivaldo could blast in 35 yarders, Recoba could dribble, curl shots from distance, take a mean FK, Jaap Stam would win every ball in the air and was hard to get passed, cafu and Lizarazu etc could bomb up the wings, Finidi Geroge was like Usain Bolt, Jay JAY ockahe had mad skills and amaizng close control etc..You felt like you had control off the players as they were IRL.

I don think this feeling is back?

I miss the feeling off being in control off the individual almost life like. I dont know why they cant do that no more.

Try PES3 maybe Pes4..then try PES 2012 demo its not back to old PEs quite at all I think?

Couldn't agree more!!

 

[scatmancrothers]

The shooting and keepers are that bad u did not need to play the demo, that was visible just watching game play videos from gamescom.

 

[jonneymendoza]

About the freekick, it's way too easy to score if you use a second player to set up the main kicker. I've tried 5 times so far, and the success rate has been 100%. I can see it being exploited if it's not changed in the full game.

About freekicks, 9/10 the cpu always scores just like in PES!

 

[drag]

Ok played more games and initial wow PES is back factor is starting to fade sadly.

1. Keepers. We all know this..I wont go in detail.but wtf.Worst in PES series. Surely fixed before release.

2. Shooting. It just dont feel right. Shots just dont seem that powerful often. Even when I score a powered type shot it just dont feel like it did in PEs3 etc...also I maybe need to work on shooting but its seems not that great to me atm? Though I can score screamers, often shots just feel weak or weird

Remember PES3 you could get Zidane and dominate midfeild, dribbles, long shots, passes or R.Carols bomb down the wing and blast into top corner from 30 yds, Or Ronadlo skin forwards and pull away from them. This individual facotr is still not back.. I miss that from old PES. BEckham had a great cross but not good at dribblign with pace, MArtins/Saviola could beat offside trap and not be caught, Rivaldo could blast in 35 yarders, Recoba could dribble, curl shots from distance, take a mean FK, Jaap Stam would win every ball in the air and was hard to get passed, cafu and Lizarazu etc could bomb up the wings, Finidi Geroge was like Usain Bolt, Jay JAY ockahe had mad skills and amaizng close control etc..You felt like you had control off the players as they were IRL.

I don think this feeling is back?

I miss the feeling off being in control off the individual almost life like. I dont know why they cant do that no more.

Try PES3 maybe Pes4..then try PES 2012 demo its not back to old PEs quite at all I think?

Exactly how i feel too, excellent post, i wish more people would realize this.