PES 2011 Master League Online beta Feedback thread

[romagnoli]

I broke the bank with another D5 cup (I win it another one in Manager Mode) and bought my fellow player J. Vargas. Not a chance to test him yet, but he looks like a beast in the stat department. Pity I need him as a winger/side midfielder where he has only 84, as a SB he has 92 rating LOL... he costed me almost 7 million!

Mode is a lot of fun, until all the "play all day" kids will have Messi-Cristiano-Ibrahimovic upfront. Today in the managerial cup I faced a Juventus guy with Pato-Balotelli-Eto-o-Gerrard in his team. I used a defensive formation and beat him 1-0 but with a huge bugged goal from G. Rossi...

My actual team is

Ivarov
(turkish name SB from defaul team, that guy is great)-Valery-Stremer-Ruskin
Ettori
Felipe Melo-Vargas
Rossi-Huygens-Biabangy

I keep wanting to play Coach mode in a quick match just to try it out, but nobody ever seems to be around...

I faced one of those summer holiday kids today. I still had my default fullbacks, Kilgallon and another guy (who came and went pretty quickly). I was feeling pretty good about trying out my new signings, Montolivo and Cassano, too.

He had Ronaldo, Sneijder, Giggs, Benzema, Arshavin and Sissoko.

How do you think things will play out when there are a hundred times as many people playing? I'm wondering whether the prices should stretch up to a higher amount to begin with. It seems absurd that you can amass a team like that so quickly, but on the other hand there's hardly anyone around to boost the prices. I just worry about how people will get on if they start MLO even a week late. Prices will be sky high and there will be teams with all sorts of players who are significantly better than the default sides. Frankly I worry about how I'll get on tomorrow evening!

 

[Jamezinho]

How do you think things will play out when there are a hundred times as many people playing? I'm wondering whether the prices should stretch up to a higher amount to begin with. It seems absurd that you can amass a team like that so quickly, but on the other hand there's hardly anyone around to boost the prices. I just worry about how people will get on if they start MLO even a week late. Prices will be sky high and there will be teams with all sorts of players who are significantly better than the default sides. Frankly I worry about how I'll get on tomorrow evening!

That's my worry too. There is the potential for the Call of Duty effect here, whereby you have to get on the game from day one to keep up with the pack. Hopefully the matchmaking system will pair new MLO players with fair opposition and keep them away from the Harlem Globetrotter teams.

 

[Putuco Malo]

I keep wanting to play Coach mode in a quick match just to try it out, but nobody ever seems to be around...

I faced one of those summer holiday kids today. I still had my default fullbacks, Kilgallon and another guy (who came and went pretty quickly). I was feeling pretty good about trying out my new signings, Montolivo and Cassano, too.

He had Ronaldo, Sneijder, Giggs, Benzema, Arshavin and Sissoko.

How do you think things will play out when there are a hundred times as many people playing? I'm wondering whether the prices should stretch up to a higher amount to begin with. It seems absurd that you can amass a team like that so quickly, but on the other hand there's hardly anyone around to boost the prices. I just worry about how people will get on if they start MLO even a week late. Prices will be sky high and there will be teams with all sorts of players who are significantly better than the default sides. Frankly I worry about how I'll get on tomorrow evening!

Yeah, I understand your frustration. I dont want to buy super stars. Players like Vargas are pretty good and a bit expensive, but I dont see many people spending 7 million in just a full back/side midfielder... I bought him because he is peruvian and without a single doubt the best player from my country at the moment. it is a shame that some kids spoil the fun with Globetrotters teams, where is the fun with that? I could save the money I spent in Melo, Rossi and Vargas and buy Messi or Cristiano but that is plain stupid. Anyway, when I played the D5 cup in Coach Mode, it was fun to see my team well organized and with a defensive attitude allowing almost zero chances to the rival team with Eto'o, Pato, Balotelli and Gerrard. It was massive, and funny to see that the goal of the victory was a bug of the game

 

[Jimmy G-Force]

Even with such an early code, this game is light years ahead of anything from a technical footballing standpoint. People can romance about the 'legendary PES 5' as much as they want for me, this is a completely different animal altogether. I played this yesterday for 11 hours straight. I had my ass handed to me once, in a 4-1 defeat, and he used default players. The guy's footballing brain was immense, I swear I could almost hear his brain ticking as we played. Although I got well beaten, I loved every second of it, it was beautiful to watch. It's the first time in a long time I have been beaten by simply the better player. No cheap glitches, no sprint whoring, cheap goals, nothing, just pure undiluted football.

I actually tried PES 2010 for two games, and the massive difference is now you can play the game how you want to play it, with statistics having a massive effect. I've always loved playing PES and playing it properly. Making sure that I follow all the basic fundementals of football to produce my game. PES 2011, takes it to a whole new level indeed. By combining the fundementals of PES and adding the semi-auto approach of Fifa, Konami have created the perfect base. Finally we have a football game that will truly seperate the men from the boys, with a level of freedom never truly realised previously.

What I love about it the most, is the fact that you can really appreciate everything your opponent does, you know that they have really earned the fruits of their labour, because it's exactly the same for yourself. I played with a friend of mine yesterday, taking turns playing online games. He has been a PES fan for years, and it took him 7 games before he scored his first goal, and got his first win. And when he did, he really earned it. No sweetspots like Fifa, or playing the game the way Konami want you to play the game like all the past PES's,( which was never a bad thing for me as it followed basic football philosophy) but now doing it your way whilst still combining the basics of footballing technique.

Anybody that is looking for a cheap, quality AMF, look no further than Ben Saada from Eypyt, awesome purchase for just under £2million. I also sold Gervinho as he was very inconsistent with his shooting, although other areas of his game were top class. I actually made just over £500,000 profit on him as well, his valution increased due to his goalsd and assists. The problem was he needed 4 chances to tuck away one. He was basically exactly as it says on the tin, and not an out and out striker which I needed. I eventually opted for Julio Baptista to partner the superb Suarez. Baptista is strong as an ox, great power and technique, and is a real handful.

Suarez is also the perfect example of an SS. His passing is off the map, and I can use him to provide that killer pass that no-one else on my team bar Saada has in their arsenal. Saada has the Passer Playing Card by the way, always look out for that. Suarez is also great in the air, and knows how to find the back of the net. For me, he is the player on my team that really highlights the whole stat-based manual system currently in place.

I was trying to work out in my head, just how Konami have managed to implement this system with such a seemingly flawless transition. I'm starting to feel like a tap of the through ball or pass, or lobbed throughball leads more towards the stats of the players. Yet when you 'take over' a little with the application of the powerbar, thats when it becomes 50% manual 50% stat based. Anymore thoughts on this ?

Also, my biggest fear prior about the tricks is no-more. I need to check this, but I'm certain, even with trick stick, you need to be aware of which foot the player is using to pull off certain moves. This is what happens in PES 2010, and I thought they had moved away from it, but I'm sure they havent, just incorporated it into this new system. As for the error in tricks, it's massive, I've seen it so many times now, a player with lesser ability can attempt the trick, but they just make themselves look stupid as the technique falls down. I'm really, really happy about this. I did the Rainbow Flick by accident with Gervinho, then tried it again with Stein and it didnt even flick over his head, and bounced off his back, idiot.

I cant wait to get my hands on the finished product, even this early code shows to anyone that can see, it's so much deeper than anything we have ever had in a football game. And as far as making PES easier, this so isnt the case. This whole 'Freedom' not only gives you exactly what it says, but the flip side of this Freedom is so much more potential error, it really is exactly what we need to simulate football. I think the casual gamer will find PES 2011 far too hard. It really is for the hardcore player, and I love that. It's still quite tight for Regular AI, I'm really cant wait to play this baby on Top Player AI, it's going to make PES 5 feel like PES 2008 in stubborness.

Edit - I also played my first Evo-Weber in Fremm. The game highlighted a few minor animation bugs and the little stuff you would expect from this code, but overall the game was brilliant. It ended 0-0, and Fremm's defensive play was some of the best I have seen yet. I really wish the 'Covering/Retreat Tracking Defensive System' was in this code, but its just another thing to look forward to I guess.

 

[Kaiser]

I signed Klasnic, Gatusso some guy called Roman Poyet(great for my lone striker) and...

David Beckham : )

 

[Jimmy G-Force]

I signed Klasnic, Gatusso some guy called Roman Poyet(great for my lone striker) and...

David Beckham : )

Interesting. I'm intrigued to know how they have done Beck's passing with this new system. I would imagine alot of assistance on semi-auto ?

 

[DarthKebab]

Got a decent team now, bought Baines, Heitinga (with the money I won from coach mode cup) also got Arteta, Fabregas, Tuncay, Walcott and Babel.

I cannot see a world of difference between Arteta and Fabregas though, Arteta seems to hold onto the ball better with skilled dribbling but Fabregas is stronger.

Beat someone 5-0 last night with three goals int he last 10 mins, felt a bit horrible because he was a decent player, left him positive feedback though.

If you want a better team enter the coach mode competetions, I only got 4 games but recevied almost 5 million!

 

[tobi]

Not sure if its been mentioned before but when the opposition has a throw in, two/three of my players are stuck together and separate just before the throw in is taken.

I hope it's a bug and will be fixed.

 

[zeemeister]

I-m happy about the fact that so many people are highlighting the same issues I brought up a couple of days ago.

Fact: if the MLO maintains the format we are going to play Messi, Ronaldo and co in every game imaginable. Also these people will have a massive advantage compared to people who are building a team that will utilise teamwork rather than sprint,shoot, repeat and will inevitably be the top players.

Lastnight I qualified for the league cup with a decent team consisting of 60 - 70 players but ended up against Gerrard, Etoo, balotelli, Foggia and a few other juggernauts. I am not perturbed that I lost the match but I dominated while he just blasted 2 shots past my retard between the sticks who has become so error prone over the last 2 days. Final stats Me 8 shots at target with 56%. 0 goals and globetrotters 2 shots with 2 goals....the better player did not win!

 

[Jimmy G-Force]

Not sure if its been mentioned before but when the opposition has a throw in, two/three of my players are stuck together and separate just before the throw in is taken.

I hope it's a bug and will be fixed.

I had one of my defenders remain on my goal-line for 30 minutes of the match. He looked like he was just stood chatting to my keeper. Even when my keeper took a goalkick he stayed on the goal-line. Thats what you call a sweeper.

 

[shorty alien]

The thing is, your entrance fees get significantly higher the more stars you amass, so maybe if they continue to balance that then people will have to be careful otherwise they could go bankrupt!

Having reasonable strength in depth is good as well, the random arrows means the stamina does actually kick in during the matches, I usually have to make a triple substitution at half time to counter it or pre-empt it for the players that are going down.

I'm almost there with my first team, just need a goalkeeper and a midfield playmaker and then I'll start looking at signing backups, even though some of the default ML players make good backups atm, you can always improve.

I agree though, not too sure how long this mode will last. Unless they do something like FIFA's Ultimate team, where you introduce contracts, say a 10-15 game contract or something so players are always encouraged to deal in the transfer market, or sell a player at good value before his contract is up and he leaves on a free.

So that people don't keep hold of Ronaldo/Messi and co for too long. Maybe re-signing them will come with an extra fee as well, or maybe you can't resign them. Then once you've run out of players that you've been signing and exchanging for a whole year you reset the game and you can sign them again.

Basically a system should be in place that makes sure you constantly need to dabble in the transfer market every so often, and players are not infinitely kept hold of, so that you need to keep building a team.

There are like a million players in the database, you can always find new and interesting players to play with, the stats and individuality of PES ensures variety, it would be a shame if all you played was Ibrahimovic, Kaka, Ronaldo, Messi, Buffon etc.

If i say so myself I think this is an amazing idea personally, is it likely to get implemented, yeah right

 

[zlac]

Fact: if the MLO maintains the format we are going to play Messi, Ronaldo and co in every game imaginable. Also these people will have a massive advantage compared to people who are building a team that will utilise teamwork rather than sprint,shoot, repeat and will inevitably be the top players.

Lastnight I qualified for the league cup with a decent team consisting of 60 - 70 players but ended up against Gerrard, Etoo, balotelli, Foggia and a few other juggernauts. I am not perturbed that I lost the match but I dominated while he just blasted 2 shots past my retard between the sticks who has become so error prone over the last 2 days. Final stats Me 8 shots at target with 56%. 0 goals and globetrotters 2 shots with 2 goals....the better player did not win!

That would be bad, but AFAIK Seabass spoke in that interview (couple of days ago) that there are 5 online divisions in MLO and that the matchmaking system should prevent matching "weak starters (from lower divisions, presumably) with experienced veterans"?

Has anyone been promoted to a higher division? Does the matchmaking really work as it should?

 

[Jimmy G-Force]

I-m happy about the fact that so many people are highlighting the same issues I brought up a couple of days ago.

Fact: if the MLO maintains the format we are going to play Messi, Ronaldo and co in every game imaginable. Also these people will have a massive advantage compared to people who are building a team that will utilise teamwork rather than sprint,shoot, repeat and will inevitably be the top players.

Lastnight I qualified for the league cup with a decent team consisting of 60 - 70 players but ended up against Gerrard, Etoo, balotelli, Foggia and a few other juggernauts. I am not perturbed that I lost the match but I dominated while he just blasted 2 shots past my retard between the sticks who has become so error prone over the last 2 days. Final stats Me 8 shots at target with 56%. 0 goals and globetrotters 2 shots with 2 goals....the better player did not win!

Team for team, player for player, the better team will win the majority of the time. I'm positive of that Zee. What you experienced is what was happening to me before I made the signings of quality staff. The positive is that individuality is still as present as it has always been, even with the 'Freedom'.

 

[tobi]

I had one of my defenders remain on my goal-line for 30 minutes of the match. He looked like he was just stood chatting to my keeper. Even when my keeper took a goalkick he stayed on the goal-line. Thats what you call a sweeper.

I've seen that in games too.

It's very instinctive of the defenders to get back on the line in certain situations but then as you allude to they stay there for too long and play everyone onside.

 

[Radiation]

oh come on guys stop playing start testing!!!

Give Konami feedback what you like and what you dislike, suggestions. This is a great oppertunity and you are wasting it for playing

I can't understand all of you... If I was able to test with the pc version i would end up with a 3 pages long list with things I like and things I complain about.

Really there isn't much wrong with the beta other than the problems that we're told have already been improved on. Keepers, Player AI, AI players making runs, and so on... we're either told they've been improved or you can see it's been improved on the latest gamescom videos.

What we're supposed to be testing is the mechanics of the MLO and the only way to do that is play and play and play.

They will want to know our thoughts on things like...


* Did you feel you were able to improve your team too fast/not fast enough?
* Did you feel the money for winning was too low, too high or just right?
* Do you advance into higher divisions too fast/not fast enough?
* Were you auto matches into matches with players/teams at the same skill level often enough or did the game auto match you with someone a division or 2 above you?
* Do you feel the increases/decreases in player prices are fair/ they change too much/not enough?

etc...

 

[Jimmy G-Force]

Konami actually state in the email

"Please play this as much as you possibly can".

You dont need to ask me twice.

 

[wotshappenin]

Hey everyone I been playing the ps3 beta and am very impressed only one problem i have found with it are few soft goals conceded and coulpe of times i have been through one on one with their goal keeper only to be taken out by last defender from behind an he gets just a yellow card. But like they said there is more to be done to gk an refs before release.

Another problem is that whenever i go to enter a cup it always says entries closed i cant seem to enter any wondering if anyone else had same problem?

 

[Isslander]

I really am to busy competing to really test the new things in this game. Not that I'm doing very well, I have about 3 losses, wins and draws, but my wins have been 1-0 and my losses pretty horrible, up to 5-1 (Ibrahimovic is like a god against the default guys). I don't see my self really getting to grips with this game until a demo arrives, and then finally the game itself.

I have noticed many small annoyances, some due to me having to learn things over again, some not. I hope they change the throw-in man marking, the receiver always has enough room and there is no time to apply pressure, when defending. my players let balls go through them all the time, which is fine in some cases, but less when defending in your own box. They also seem painfully inept at clearing the ball, with the square button simply not working at all in some cases. The keepers look awful too but I'm not worried as they are supposed to be fixed in later versions. One thing does worry me though: Still little or no sign of the advantage rule! players get hacked down after a pass and no action is taken.

On the plus sides I'm really glad to have a new game to master. It's been a while since I have struggled so much with a new PES, it's soooo different and I'm still soooo far from having a clue what I am doing. Can anyone explain why some crosses have power gauges and some don't?

Well, off to work... hmmm maybe I can just squeeze in one game...

 

[Kaiser]

Interesting. I'm intrigued to know how they have done Beck's passing with this new system. I would imagine alot of assistance on semi-auto ?

Indeed. I tend to have him central of my midfield three but attack down the left and use Castollos pace but his through balls are deadly.

My Market strategy was not to spend all my money on superstars or a 4-5 million man but solid players costing 1-2 million, good pros you know. Rino cost 1.7 Klasnic 2.1 and Becks just over 2.

That's my transfer ethos also Kuyt is a steal at 2.3

 

[Isslander]

Always nice to see new little touches, like the referee checking out the defending wall in a free kick

 

[Putuco Malo]

I-m happy about the fact that so many people are highlighting the same issues I brought up a couple of days ago.

Fact: if the MLO maintains the format we are going to play Messi, Ronaldo and co in every game imaginable. Also these people will have a massive advantage compared to people who are building a team that will utilise teamwork rather than sprint,shoot, repeat and will inevitably be the top players.

Lastnight I qualified for the league cup with a decent team consisting of 60 - 70 players but ended up against Gerrard, Etoo, balotelli, Foggia and a few other juggernauts. I am not perturbed that I lost the match but I dominated while he just blasted 2 shots past my retard between the sticks who has become so error prone over the last 2 days. Final stats Me 8 shots at target with 56%. 0 goals and globetrotters 2 shots with 2 goals....the better player did not win!

LOL Z, I also played that guy in the D5 Cup Manager Mode and my team beated him with a silly goal...

There are kids with sooooo much time!

 

[kiev123]

I've found a glitch to earn you money. I you disconnect from the internet while in a cup match you will still get the money. So effectively you could earn about 3 million every cup . Hope Konami can fix this for the retail game.

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I see this becoming mode breaking if it isn't fixed

 

[Lami]

Must be stressed on in survey.

Also, for coach mode competition, since barely anyone joins, they should set a minimum number of members before starting one, to avoid easy money.

 

[dannyfc2]

So are there different options for passing? I.e. Manual/Semi/Assisted.

Has dribbling changed at all? I found one of the most frustrating things of the last game the unresponsive of turning.


I know many people have said they've had to relearn, but is it REALLY a massively improved game?

I couldn't stand PES 2010 after two weeks, and believe my I tried to like it. But I'm forced to pin my hopes on it this year after seeing the shambles EA are offering.

 

[only1ronaldo]

Adam didn't lie this time around - PES IS BACK!

I'm having a blast with this online beta, I know this build is incomplete but who cares - game is incredible, very different approach and very refreshing take on PES, going all manual is like giving this game new passing engine bacause it's a gamechanger

Old ISS/PES feeling is back, rewarding feeling after scoring (important) goals , like I did in MLO Cup Final is just SICK, you can't copy that EA

Plus the game feels more like a football , everything depends on your precision, things like posession play and holding up with the ball are dependant on your skill, better player will do it better...PES2011 is a game of skill

I still can't believe how good this game is, I haven't been posting on any message boards for two days because I've been glued to my console, thanks for that Seabass, well done

PS. I think I played some games with lots of you guys, from here, from WENB, pesfan,,,all good games, massive fun :>

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My attack lineup is

[B]Niang - Asamoah Gyan - G.Rossi[/B]

you better watch out

 

[Putuco Malo]

Adam didn't lie this time around - PES IS BACK!

If you say the same sh** for some time, eventually can become true... LOL

G. Rossi seems to be one of the favourites in the market. Lot of teams have him!

 

[Lami]

So are there different options for passing? I.e. Manual/Semi/Assisted.

They're not really options. If you use the x button only then its semi-assisted. If you use the L2 or R2, not sure which one as I haven't tried it yet, plus the x button then its manual.

Has dribbling changed at all? I found one of the most frustrating things of the last game the unresponsive of turning

Responsive and beautiful.

I know many people have said they've had to relearn, but is it REALLY a massively improved game?

It is. Like a totally new game, imo.

I couldn't stand PES 2010 after two weeks, and believe my I tried to like it. But I'm forced to pin my hopes on it this year after seeing the shambles EA are offering.

Hopefully you'll enjoy it Demo should answer most your questions.

 

[aitken]

i'm really thrilled to see the positives people are giving this, sounds like this will be the year that will start the spark, im excited, still no news on actual demo release date?

 

[mjsmith2k]

OK, one of the main aspects I think needs improving in Master League is the matchmaking process.

I've come up against some super teams this afternoon (with Messi, Ronaldo, Drogba, Cech, Alonso, Gerrard in one team) and I pretty much have a team of basic ML players with a few average players thrown in. Yet I keep being matched with these. Fair enough I've won a few matches and my WLD ratio is quite good, but this is ridiculous. With the lag and everything, they just stroll through me and the high pressure is ridiculous. Yet in the next match I'm up against someone my level.

 

[Putuco Malo]

OK, one of the main aspects I think needs improving in Master League is the matchmaking process.

I've come up against some super teams this afternoon (with Messi, Ronaldo, Drogba, Cech, Alonso, Gerrard in one team) and I pretty much have a team of basic ML players with a few average players thrown in. Yet I keep being matched with these. Fair enough I've won a few matches and my WLD ratio is quite good, but this is ridiculous. With the lag and everything, they just stroll through me and the high pressure is ridiculous. Yet in the next match I'm up against someone my level.

I feel your frustration. I guess this beta will last a couple of days more for me then kaput...