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PES 2011 Discussion thread

Can any of the guys that played "hundreds" of matches by now, give me (and others) any tip regards shooting?

I'm now also having balls going either too high, or too low and weak.
 
The stadium editor looks very good, I don't remember anyone previously saying that we could change the lighting too, that's a nice touch.
 
romagnoli said:
That's not true at all. Not being affected by stats doesn't make something intentional, does it?

They just need to expand the AI's pitch coverage by a couple of metres each side of the pitch.
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Agreed. It's something they should rectify as we can avoid it by not using the exploit but it shouldn't be there in the first place.

That's poor AI. Admittedly many fullbacks do not bother making challenges with any efficacy in most games nowadays but you would expect another defender to come over at the very least and try to win posession.
 
could someone kindly explain the linking feints option in the team management screen please?

i understand you assign tricks to the right stick and you can assign upto 4 tricks to each direction.

if for example i assign the rainbow flick then an elastico and then a front flick for when i press the right stick up, will my player automatically do all three tricks one after the other? or do i need to flick the right stick up three times to do all three tricks? ie if i flicked up once would my player only do the rainbow flick?

hope i've explained myself ok and someone could help,

thanks
 
Jamezinho said:
This year we have a new game that PES diehards need to relearn as well as those coming across from Fifa. The 'clunkiness' is just an excuse from those that don't want to invest the time in the demo and scratch beneath the surface.
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Now that's unfair - I'm one who's said it feels a tad clunky and yet I'm generally pleased with the game and excited to purchase PES for the first time since 2008. I'm typing this post in-between what is around my 30th match with the demo - is that not enough time with the demo for my opinion to not just be written off? I know - or at least I hope! - you weren't directing those comments at me but there seems to be a tendency, on both sides of the forums, to dismiss any criticism and vehemently defend each game no matter the cost. The fact is neither game is perfect, and people who have issue with one thing or another shouldn't automatically be labelled a troll.

I agree wholeheartedly that dribbling in the PES demo is awesome - I absolutely love the drag-backs and simple changes of direction with Xavi that look so much like his play style IRL - but that doesn't change the fact that movement feels and looks a little unnatural and clunky to me, especially when turning. It seems as if there is a step missing, like the player is going from angle A to angle C and skipping B. I'm assuming this is down to lacking the right transition animations, I know little of these things, but the end result is player movement can look and feel a little jerky.

Now I'm not interested in getting into another comparison war with FIFA so please don't post that FIFA is unrealistically smooth and defies laws of inertia etc. I get that. You may not think PES looks or feels clunky to you but there's enough of us out there with that opinion, and theres many of us who are doing our best to look beyond it, but I think it's fair to say that theres probably at least a liitle truth to the issue.

I think it's worthwhile to remember that not everyone is interested in the deepest of experiences (not saying I'm not) when playing a football game, and so it's a tad harsh to expect everyone to just ignore all superficial failings in the game. FIFA has enough of a following without PES pushing people away over things that really shouldn't be an issue for a next gen game.
 
@ mfmaxpower

Perhaps I was a tad unfair. As I've said many times, PES2011 is lacking in animations and hence why it's not as smooth to look at as it could/should be. The clunkiness is in the animations, and to an extent the collision engine, but I really don't think there's clunkiness in the gameplay. It actually plays a very precise, responsive and controlled game of football. Not signs of clunkiness, or at least not in my opinion anyway.

Of course PES2011 is a million miles from perfect, I quite agree, but you've put the time in to the game and got the benefits from that. I just get the sense that many others simply aren't prepared to look past the fact that it doesn't move as fluidly as Fifa.
 
Jamezinho said:
@ mfmaxpower

Perhaps I was a tad unfair. As I've said many times, PES2011 is lacking in animations and hence why it's not as smooth to look at as it could/should be. The clunkiness is in the animations, and to an extent the collision engine, but I really don't think there's clunkiness in the gameplay. It actually plays a very precise, responsive and controlled game of football. Not signs of clunkiness, or at least not in my opinion anyway.

Of course PES2011 is a million miles from perfect, I quite agree, but you've put the time in to the game and got the benefits from that. I just get the sense that many others simply aren't prepared to look past the fact that it doesn't move as fluidly as Fifa.
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Now that I agree with. It's unfortuante that some people wont give PES the time it needs to really shine just because of a lack of polish. I have however experienced my first GK gaffe - a deflected ground pass came into the penalty area and instead of calmly kneeling and scooping it up, Valdes chose to dive and whiff completely, allowing for Olic to run in for a tap in. That's the first time in about 30 matches the keeper has so obviously cost me a goal, but still, it was a tie game and in the last ten minutes!

The only issue I sometimes have in regards to gameplay is sometimes it can feel a little unresponsive, but that may change with time and greater understanding of the gameplay mechanics. For example, I seem at the moment to have trouble with using R1 for quick stopping (without turning to face goal). Again, that could just be me.
 
mfmaxpower said:
Now that I agree with. It's unfortuante that some people wont give PES the time it needs to really shine just because of a lack of polish. I have however experienced my first GK gaffe - a deflected ground pass came into the penalty area and instead of calmly kneeling and scooping it up, Valdes chose to dive and whiff completely, allowing for Olic to run in for a tap in. That's the first time in about 30 matches the keeper has so obviously cost me a goal, but still, it was a tie game and in the last ten minutes!

The only issue I sometimes have in regards to gameplay is sometimes it can feel a little unresponsive, but that may change with time and greater understanding of the gameplay mechanics. For example, I seem at the moment to have trouble with using R1 for quick stopping (without turning to face goal). Again, that could just be me.
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I've experienced a number of keeper gaffes in the demo. Some look realistic, like a proper keeper error and some are clearly down to the problems with the keeper AI. Still, would you believe the keepers are much improved compared to the online beta, and they could still be improved slightly in the retail code. But as it stands they are pretty decent, and the errors are not frequent enough to be considered game-breaking. Anyway I would rather the keepers are slightly on the side of 'not good enough' rather than 'too good', as we've seen with the last couple of Fifas.

I hear what you are saying about the R1 stop. Then again it's always been the same in PES as far as I can remember. I guess the R1 stop could be affected by stats and context, but it's never been an instantaneous thing.
 
I do wish i hadn't seen that little glitch. I was reading about it before and i was thinking ' well just don't do it against the CPU' but it's not quite as simple as that. See when you're running at a defender with Robben, it is pointless trying to change direction because you can travel upfield by just running in a straight line.

I hope they can fix this. PES11 is a great game, but this could potentially ruin it. It'll still be ok online, but Master League is where i'll be spending my time, and this is a big problem.
 
PC Demo, Top Player, as Bayern. Give the ball to Badstuber at left back, and chances are that Ribery, van Bommel and Olic will go and hold hands. Like this:





There's obvious space that the real Ribery and van Bommel would naturally move into, but they're not interested :(. They'd rather occupy the same position than help me out.

You can usually see a similar thing when Maxwell has the ball; Villa and Xavi will often go and stand together, slightly infield (never go near the sideline, it's radioactive or something).

Don't you think it's strange when you put your foot on the ball and stand still... nobody else on the pitch really moves anywhere? That's not very smart. You can see it in the youtube videos that henrys hand posted.
http://forums.evo-web.co.uk/showpost.php?p=2068859&postcount=11203

Then there's the great marking from free-kicks, too.



With each match that I play on this demo, I get more used to controlling the ball and dribbling. PES 2011 does some things well. I just can't get over the unnatural AI, both when attacking and defending. I'm a little surprised that more people don't notice how static and unaware they can be. It's one of the main things that spoil the game for me.
 
i'm just wondering, for those that are arguing about the computer's movement of your team's players (like running into space and such). Can you check what settings you are playing with (in the tactics menus). And maybe you should move those to better suit your style of play or how you want the computer to play it??

Cause i play around with those quite a bit and most of the times i get the results/runs that i want. Of course there are still some plays where the AI does something wrong, but like real football, not all players follow 100% to what the coach says every single second of the game.
 
ss4_goku said:
i'm just wondering, for those that are arguing about the computer's movement of your team's players (like running into space and such). Can you check what settings you are playing with (in the tactics menus). And maybe you should move those to better suit your style of play or how you want the computer to play it??
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Whatever the Bayern default is. But I get similar things happening with all four teams in the demo.

I'm not trying to get them to play a certain way, I just see them behave unnaturally quite often.
 
i think you are exaggerating about this bug thing
i played one entire match trying to exploit the bug and with 10 attempt i managed to cross half of the times
i was playing in Top Player Barca (me) vs Bayern (AI)

and about the other video about the players doing the same thing all over the pitch i never experienced that even if i tested hardly the game

i'm talking about this
YouTube - PES 2011 KI Fail
and beware we are talking about demo (not exactly final code) and frienlies
and we all know difficulty is toned down in Pes friendlies
 
Wheres all this dissapointment over the copa america come from when they first announced it they said it was only playable in a single exhibition mode and the teams invloved couldnt be used in any other mode.
 
romagnoli said:
Absolutely. It's why it's frustrating and cringe inducing when he mixes the two so often because it dilutes those parts of his posts which are true. It is fantastically deep - a lot of people complain about juddery/clunky animations, but in many cases it's because they're "doing it wrong". You can't just hold sprint and press a direction to knock the ball past a challenger - you've got to time it right to get the desired effect. You can't just hold R2 and move in any direction the split second you move the stick - you have to manipulate your momentum as well as your opponents. You can't just hold forwards and pressure, otherwise you get the dozens of fouls people complain about. You've got to time your challenges, holding the opponent up and not committing.

The game is way short of perfect still, but 2012 and 2013 will see Konami listen to what we think needs improving from here and build further. For a lot of us who have 'come back', perfection wasn't a requirement.
What we wanted was a PES that was playable, enjoyable and deep. You can tell at this early stage that those three have been ticked for a lot more of us than recent in years.
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Amen, well said. While I've been a Fifa player the last 3 years, this year Fifa has failed to meet my expectations while PES has far exceeded them - and while not as technically proficient as FIFA, it has so many subtle, deep and 'pure football' aspects to it, that any former PES fan such as myself can hardly help but be overjoyed with this years effort. Hats off to Konami, didn't think it was possible, so soon.
 
On the PC version I've tried to install the 30 teams patch and I did follow the instruction as accurately as possible but whenever I try to load teams with the windows 7 command line (pes_hio.exe) it doesn't work and I only play with AC Milan and Real Madrid replacing the 2 SA teams
 
I'd like to put on record since I have bin bitchin about the green zone thing that I pretty much love everything else about this game. Animations look awesome and I don't see any clunkyness. I love how I'm learning to shoot little by little, every game I get closer to that thunderous strike. I haven't had any problems with player runs, play agressive formation and tactics and you have more player runs then you need. Tactics are a joy to use (as they actually already were in the 2010 version). It's awesome to have to adjust to a completely new way of playing but that is the reason why it always boils down to this exploit in the end, it simply can not be avoided. When passing the ball around in midfield I will at some time receive it out in the wings. Am I supposed to ignore that I have some perfectly good crosser in a prime position to run up and whip in a cross? am I supposed to run into the defender and give away the ball because that would be more rewarding then scoring from a cross? Pass the ball back into the midfield right away when a winger receives the ball? Totally ignore huge areas of the pitch?

There is always the danger when a game gets reinvented that some faults make it to the party but I sincerely hope they mend this. And without going 180 degrees on the whole problem and have the cpu double team you every time and tackle you to death. It's not an easy balance to find, but I hope Konami can pull it off. Or at least try to pull it off.
 
i played offline multiplayer exhibition matches, about 15-20 last night, and i'm finally seeing the depth. oh the days gone by of learning how to play pes5/6 again. the game gets better with time.

just 2 complains. okay maybe one.

1) Shooting seems floaty, but this isnt so bad as if you knock the ball on and shoot, just like in real life, the ball will travel at a furious speed. Otherwise, the ball floats as natuarally your body posture is backward bending. ah I love this in fact.

2) the crossing. too automated. for goodness-sake, did they really take out the option in button configuration (seeing as this is the demo and I haven't played since pes6) to ensure that cross can be set to manual instead of automatic. if not it's just too easy in offline multiplayer matches especially. anyone can confirm this?
 
Jamezinho said:
@ mfmaxpower

Perhaps I was a tad unfair. As I've said many times, PES2011 is lacking in animations and hence why it's not as smooth to look at as it could/should be. The clunkiness is in the animations, and to an extent the collision engine, but I really don't think there's clunkiness in the gameplay. It actually plays a very precise, responsive and controlled game of football. Not signs of clunkiness, or at least not in my opinion anyway.

Of course PES2011 is a million miles from perfect, I quite agree, but you've put the time in to the game and got the benefits from that. I just get the sense that many others simply aren't prepared to look past the fact that it doesn't move as fluidly as Fifa.
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Agree PES2011 is a nice game but made to look bad by the animations. thousand plus new animations but still those incompetent fools cant get the basic and important ones like running and crossing animations right. may be they need a new people at mo-cap dept.
 
Placebo said:
Download the demo from the web or rapidshare and the like or torrent or usenet, then burn to DVD or run from USB drive or simply copy to the 360 hard drive from PC :)
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That works only with Fifa 11 but not PES 2011 or WE 2011.. the demos from Konami are consolebound! That means they are only playable on the console they were downloaded to the first time.

Imho it's rediculous to bound demos to the specific console they were downloaded from, they are demos and should be freely distributeable.:RANT:
 
Has anybody managed to get a penalty after being fouled by the goalkeeper? I've been fouled by the GK twice but no penalty was given on both occasions. One was the most blatant foul you will ever see, sending my player arse over head. Hope this is not another bug.
 
prorevo.de has the final version of PES 2011 for PC, the version that goes to retail and one of those playing it said on twitter that it were much smarter and smoother than the demo-version.

Maybe some, hopefully most, of the bugs and problems were already solved.
 
ollywolly said:
Has anybody managed to get a penalty after being fouled by the goalkeeper? I've been fouled by the GK twice but no penalty was given on both occasions. One was the most blatant foul you will ever see, sending my player arse over head. Hope this is not another bug.
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I've had my own keeper foul the other team and get a yellow card/penalty twice now. Never actually had one happen ot me yet.
 
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