Dominic
Serie A
- 19 August 2003
Re: Moggi Tapes
English please, jack32.
English please, jack32.
Moggi tapes - Italian Football Scandal
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Milanista
Mangiamoli!
Re: Moggi Tapes
The worst thing, if Juve get relegated and Milan dont, is that we're going to see Inter in Cl every year
The worst thing, if Juve get relegated and Milan dont, is that we're going to see Inter in Cl every year
gerd
Retired Footballer
Re: Moggi Tapes
First of all "cultural differences" was not meant to be arrogant...let's face it, there are cultural differences between different countries...
Second: this is the second discussion about Real Madrid that i have with you...as somebody from Madrid i'm sure you're better informed, so what you say could be right.
If you're right however, then Real Madrid have a massive PR-problem. Do you think that i invented these stories????
Our first quarrel was about Di Stefano and the fact that Di Stefano was heading for Barcelona but that Franco himself changed that and that only that way Di Stefano ended up playing for Madrid.
You denied that vehemently...and if i remember well you sounded very convincing...fact is that the story which you deny so vehemently was published in several (good) books about Spanish football.
Our latest quarrel: i read my version in several good magazines (World Soccer, Four Four Two,...) they all perceived the fact that Madrid "asked" things to the council as very negative...
In countries like Belgium, Great Brittain, Holland you don't simply "ask" to change the destination of land... In our countries this is a very complicated an specialistic urbanistic problem which takes years and lots of planning and studies and in some cases even public hearings ...in Belgium a city council cannot decide to grant that wish... That is one of the reasons why we perceive this very negative and think that Real Madrid is "violating" the rules of fair competition (one of the basic principles of the European Union).
Once again, this posting is not meant to be arrogant or patronizing. I am merely stating the obvious: cultural differences.
Gedtillo said:They sold their properties for its fair and proper value. They only ASKED the council to give them what they had given everyone else around before, as they deserved. That's not only legal, but fair and had to be done. If not, they would have discriminated Real Madrid for no reason at all (why should they not be allowed to build in their land while everybody else around had been allowed to?).
It puzzles me how you can say that what I tell is a "shorter version" of "Real Madrid manipulated..." and the likes. They manipulated nothing. You just need local authorities' permission to build, they asked for that and the got it, as every neighbor had before. It is hardly corruption anywhere... and I'm starting to get tired of the "cultural difference" arrogant tone...
First of all "cultural differences" was not meant to be arrogant...let's face it, there are cultural differences between different countries...
Second: this is the second discussion about Real Madrid that i have with you...as somebody from Madrid i'm sure you're better informed, so what you say could be right.
If you're right however, then Real Madrid have a massive PR-problem. Do you think that i invented these stories????
Our first quarrel was about Di Stefano and the fact that Di Stefano was heading for Barcelona but that Franco himself changed that and that only that way Di Stefano ended up playing for Madrid.
You denied that vehemently...and if i remember well you sounded very convincing...fact is that the story which you deny so vehemently was published in several (good) books about Spanish football.
Our latest quarrel: i read my version in several good magazines (World Soccer, Four Four Two,...) they all perceived the fact that Madrid "asked" things to the council as very negative...
In countries like Belgium, Great Brittain, Holland you don't simply "ask" to change the destination of land... In our countries this is a very complicated an specialistic urbanistic problem which takes years and lots of planning and studies and in some cases even public hearings ...in Belgium a city council cannot decide to grant that wish... That is one of the reasons why we perceive this very negative and think that Real Madrid is "violating" the rules of fair competition (one of the basic principles of the European Union).
Once again, this posting is not meant to be arrogant or patronizing. I am merely stating the obvious: cultural differences.
Gedtillo
Mediocentro defensivo
- 13 July 2004
Re: Moggi Tapes
Here it is too, and it is something very "tricky" when it is done obscurely and with no apparent reason. But this case was very particular, as it happens to be that when Real Madrid bought the land it was the outskirts of the city, and therefore considered a place in which only gardens and sports facilities could be built. But from then on the city continued to grow, and what had been the outskirts soon became integrated into the center of the city. Why? Because the City Council changed the destination of the land allowing construction there decades ago. Every piece of land, but Real Madrid's, had been re-considered and allowed construction. Real Madrid initially had no interest in building there, so they just did not ask for that change until they needed it. It is a much simpler situation than it appears to be.
Would you consider that unfair?
I think it would have been much more unfair to deny Real Madrid what had been given to everyone else before. Many teams had stadia or training fields outside small cities, and when these grew, they sold the land and bought new land outside the city. Many other teams have demolished their stadium and sold the land to "survive". Atlético de Madrid is on its way of doing it now. Having land inthe center of a city is having a major assett, for both a normal person and a sports team. If your land gains value with time that's only the result of your investment, the same way as if your players are bought for a small figure and five years later they are worth much more.
I agree that there are some strange operations involving city councils and big constructors in order to change some land's possibilities of building, but, as you clearly can see here, there is nothing strange with this. You said that - quote - "Real Madrid had millions of debts until Perez came, then he set up some sort of hoax with the municidad de Madrid. The municidad bought Real Madrid's training complex for millions and returned it as a "gift" to Real..."
All those three bold statements are false. Real Madrid set no hoax with the council. They just filed for the reconsideration of their land, as had happened with all the surrounding area prior to this. That's absolutely legal here, in Belgium and in Sebastopol. Then you say that it was the city who bought the land. That is not correct. The city council and the government of the region of Madrid agreed to the reconsideration of the land, but only as long as Real Madrid agreed to refuse to 2/3 thirds of that land, which would be shared by the city council and the region of Madrid. Of course, no land was returned to Real Madrid, the team decided to keep and not sell a small part of their land.
After that each part of the land was sold separately by their owners, and oil group Repsol YPF, Mutua Automovilística de Madrid and constructors Sacyr Vallehermoso and OHL were the private groups that bought the land and started construction there. There were some accusations of "obscure" facts, and both Manchester United and Bayern Munich complained about the situation. The case was brought to the European Commission in Brussels and was investigated personally by commisioner Mario Monti. The case was closed in 2004, after the Commission declared that "there were no State helps of any kind". You can research on this one, you'll find all I say is verifiable and correct.
http://www.lukor.com/not-mun/europa/0411/08202740.htm
What I mean by all this is that many clubs were annoyed to see how Real Madrid got rid of their debt. The fact is that Real Madrid had the right to sell their land, the case was investigated by the EU and Brussels clearly stated that there was nothing wrong with that. I take that as a very important fact to prove that what happened not only was not morally wrong, but also was totally legal and fair according to not only the Spanish government, but also - ironically - Brussels and the EU Commission. So it seems that it is legal in Belgium after all.
I however do not deny that this probably is not the same way that some football magazines may have portraited the story. But you know that Manchester United and other European teams were displeased with the situation, and bias may occur when treating this info abroad. It happened too here, and Barcelona papers were very angry that this had happened... but they had no right to complain. I have given very detailed information about all this things, easily verifiable if you wish - especially living in Belgium as you do - and I'm sure that you'll admit that after the hearing the complete story and knowing how the EU investigation finished, there's little wit in keeping these stories of "Real Madrid cheating" and all that.
Maybe World Soccer and Four Four Two are not the best sources of information about Spain's urban regulation after all. Please, forget about this case. It was asked that this was investigated, it was, and the EU made it clear that there was nothing even slightly wrong with this. So move on.
It was good debating this with you though, sorry for having perceived your "cultural differences" statement as an arrogant one, my fault.
Regards.
Here it is too, and it is something very "tricky" when it is done obscurely and with no apparent reason. But this case was very particular, as it happens to be that when Real Madrid bought the land it was the outskirts of the city, and therefore considered a place in which only gardens and sports facilities could be built. But from then on the city continued to grow, and what had been the outskirts soon became integrated into the center of the city. Why? Because the City Council changed the destination of the land allowing construction there decades ago. Every piece of land, but Real Madrid's, had been re-considered and allowed construction. Real Madrid initially had no interest in building there, so they just did not ask for that change until they needed it. It is a much simpler situation than it appears to be.
Would you consider that unfair?
I think it would have been much more unfair to deny Real Madrid what had been given to everyone else before. Many teams had stadia or training fields outside small cities, and when these grew, they sold the land and bought new land outside the city. Many other teams have demolished their stadium and sold the land to "survive". Atlético de Madrid is on its way of doing it now. Having land inthe center of a city is having a major assett, for both a normal person and a sports team. If your land gains value with time that's only the result of your investment, the same way as if your players are bought for a small figure and five years later they are worth much more.I agree that there are some strange operations involving city councils and big constructors in order to change some land's possibilities of building, but, as you clearly can see here, there is nothing strange with this. You said that - quote - "Real Madrid had millions of debts until Perez came, then he set up some sort of hoax with the municidad de Madrid. The municidad bought Real Madrid's training complex for millions and returned it as a "gift" to Real..."
All those three bold statements are false. Real Madrid set no hoax with the council. They just filed for the reconsideration of their land, as had happened with all the surrounding area prior to this. That's absolutely legal here, in Belgium and in Sebastopol. Then you say that it was the city who bought the land. That is not correct. The city council and the government of the region of Madrid agreed to the reconsideration of the land, but only as long as Real Madrid agreed to refuse to 2/3 thirds of that land, which would be shared by the city council and the region of Madrid. Of course, no land was returned to Real Madrid, the team decided to keep and not sell a small part of their land.
After that each part of the land was sold separately by their owners, and oil group Repsol YPF, Mutua Automovilística de Madrid and constructors Sacyr Vallehermoso and OHL were the private groups that bought the land and started construction there. There were some accusations of "obscure" facts, and both Manchester United and Bayern Munich complained about the situation. The case was brought to the European Commission in Brussels and was investigated personally by commisioner Mario Monti. The case was closed in 2004, after the Commission declared that "there were no State helps of any kind". You can research on this one, you'll find all I say is verifiable and correct.
http://www.lukor.com/not-mun/europa/0411/08202740.htmWhat I mean by all this is that many clubs were annoyed to see how Real Madrid got rid of their debt. The fact is that Real Madrid had the right to sell their land, the case was investigated by the EU and Brussels clearly stated that there was nothing wrong with that. I take that as a very important fact to prove that what happened not only was not morally wrong, but also was totally legal and fair according to not only the Spanish government, but also - ironically - Brussels and the EU Commission. So it seems that it is legal in Belgium after all.
I however do not deny that this probably is not the same way that some football magazines may have portraited the story. But you know that Manchester United and other European teams were displeased with the situation, and bias may occur when treating this info abroad. It happened too here, and Barcelona papers were very angry that this had happened... but they had no right to complain. I have given very detailed information about all this things, easily verifiable if you wish - especially living in Belgium as you do - and I'm sure that you'll admit that after the hearing the complete story and knowing how the EU investigation finished, there's little wit in keeping these stories of "Real Madrid cheating" and all that.
Maybe World Soccer and Four Four Two are not the best sources of information about Spain's urban regulation after all.
Please, forget about this case. It was asked that this was investigated, it was, and the EU made it clear that there was nothing even slightly wrong with this. So move on. It was good debating this with you though, sorry for having perceived your "cultural differences" statement as an arrogant one, my fault.
Regards.
gerd
Retired Footballer
Re: Moggi Tapes
Ok, no problem my friend...i think you are right...
One more thing (but this has nothing to do with "the Real Madrid" case we discussed): it is not because the EU considers something legal (in Spain) that it should be legal in Belgium too...this would clearly not be legal in Belgium (and i know very well what i'm talking about...in my professional life i treat those things, i'm in social housing departement...).
That said, the fact that it is not legal in Belgium does not mean that Real Madrid did something illegal...so i have no problem with that.
Still it could be considered as unfair competition within Europe because Belgian clubs can't do this...(and apparently English neither judged by the reaction of Manchester United). But i have to admit that the European regulations concerning fair competition tend to be absurd in certain cases and this would be rather absurd...so no problem...i was wrong.
We had a good and fair discussion.
Good luck to the Spanish national team at the WC, i hope they play as good as against Belgium, for our national team they were much too strong.
Ok, no problem my friend...i think you are right...
One more thing (but this has nothing to do with "the Real Madrid" case we discussed): it is not because the EU considers something legal (in Spain) that it should be legal in Belgium too...this would clearly not be legal in Belgium (and i know very well what i'm talking about...in my professional life i treat those things, i'm in social housing departement...).
That said, the fact that it is not legal in Belgium does not mean that Real Madrid did something illegal...so i have no problem with that.
Still it could be considered as unfair competition within Europe because Belgian clubs can't do this...(and apparently English neither judged by the reaction of Manchester United). But i have to admit that the European regulations concerning fair competition tend to be absurd in certain cases and this would be rather absurd...so no problem...i was wrong.
We had a good and fair discussion.
Good luck to the Spanish national team at the WC, i hope they play as good as against Belgium, for our national team they were much too strong.
Gedtillo
Mediocentro defensivo
- 13 July 2004
Re: Moggi Tapes
The "legal in Belgium" was a prank...
I'm surprised. Is it not legal in Belgium to sell your land if you are a sports club?
The "legal in Belgium" was a prank...
I'm surprised.
Is it not legal in Belgium to sell your land if you are a sports club?
gerd
Retired Footballer
Re: Moggi Tapes
It is legal to sell your lands as a sports club when the land is used for the same thing as before: sports, recreation,...
If you want to put houses on it (like Arsenal) it takes years before you can do it...you need to have the "all clear" from city council, Flemish administration, neighbours...A Belgian club is currently doing this. Jupiler League club AA Gent will build a new stadium outside the city and there will come houses at their old ground...this has taken years in order to do this...i think they are working more than 10 years on it.
And in this cas they are fortunate, because the neighbours were fed up with the stadium and all the distubances...if the neighbours don't agree...you can forget it in Belgium. Hope this explains something.
It is legal to sell your lands as a sports club when the land is used for the same thing as before: sports, recreation,...
If you want to put houses on it (like Arsenal) it takes years before you can do it...you need to have the "all clear" from city council, Flemish administration, neighbours...A Belgian club is currently doing this. Jupiler League club AA Gent will build a new stadium outside the city and there will come houses at their old ground...this has taken years in order to do this...i think they are working more than 10 years on it.
And in this cas they are fortunate, because the neighbours were fed up with the stadium and all the distubances...if the neighbours don't agree...you can forget it in Belgium. Hope this explains something.
Gedtillo
Mediocentro defensivo
- 13 July 2004
Re: Moggi Tapes
Yeah, I think that is more or less how this is here... but it took Real Madrid much less time to gain permission. :lol: Neighbour opposition was also considerable, but the majority had no trouble. Still, I'd prefer your way. Long-term waiting makes corruption less likely.
Yeah, I think that is more or less how this is here... but it took Real Madrid much less time to gain permission. :lol: Neighbour opposition was also considerable, but the majority had no trouble. Still, I'd prefer your way. Long-term waiting makes corruption less likely.
Dominic
Serie A
- 19 August 2003
Re: Moggi Tapes
Well the worst case scenario could still see them taking away this season's points as a punishment. So don't get your hopes up just yet. Thing about this is, they don't need to prove we are guilty. If they have reasonable doubt, that we(better yet, Moggi) had a hand in match fixing, that's all it takes to give us some kind of punishement.
Good news though nonetheless.
Well the worst case scenario could still see them taking away this season's points as a punishment. So don't get your hopes up just yet. Thing about this is, they don't need to prove we are guilty. If they have reasonable doubt, that we(better yet, Moggi) had a hand in match fixing, that's all it takes to give us some kind of punishement.
Good news though nonetheless.
- Thread starter
- #73
Re: Moggi Tapes
Fabio Capello has been confirmed as Juventus Coach for next season, decided today’s Board of Directors meeting.
The tactician has won two consecutive Serie A titles since taking over, but his future was in doubt amid a revolution within the club.
Although he had said in the past that his stay in Turin was linked with the so-called Triade of directors – Luciano Moggi, Antonio Giraudo and Roberto Bettega – it seems Capello will continue on the bench even after their departure.
“I’ll see you all here on July 15,” Capello told the players and journalists as Juve completed training ahead of the summer holidays.
The decision was announced by Chief Executive Officer Carlo Sant’Albano, who has been temporarily given full powers at the club following the resignation of the entire Board of Directors as a result of the investigation into match-fixing allegations.
“I have received powers to ensure the club runs smoothly until June 29, 2006, when the new Board of Directors is set to be nominated,” explained Sant’Albano.
It’s strongly rumoured that the first stepping stone to rebuilding the side will come from director of sport Franco Baldini, who has already worked with Capello at Roma.
“We are working to give Juventus a new director of sport who, sharing the vision of the club, will stand alongside Coach Fabio Capello. We’ve already started preparing for the 2006-07 campaign with Capello and we are following the evolution of the situation.”
It was always set to be a Year Zero for the Bianconeri, who will play their home games at the Stadio Olimpico in Turin while the Delle Alpi is restructured.
The club office has also moved to the new ‘Mondo Juve’ training ground in the Vinovo area of Turin.
“In this transitional period, I will work to resolve problems in bringing in new management, maintaining a strong bond with our sponsors, verifying contracts and the in-depth analysis of future projects, which will be handed on to the next CEO for his own autonomous valuation.”
Fabio Capello has been confirmed as Juventus Coach for next season, decided today’s Board of Directors meeting.
The tactician has won two consecutive Serie A titles since taking over, but his future was in doubt amid a revolution within the club.
Although he had said in the past that his stay in Turin was linked with the so-called Triade of directors – Luciano Moggi, Antonio Giraudo and Roberto Bettega – it seems Capello will continue on the bench even after their departure.
“I’ll see you all here on July 15,” Capello told the players and journalists as Juve completed training ahead of the summer holidays.
The decision was announced by Chief Executive Officer Carlo Sant’Albano, who has been temporarily given full powers at the club following the resignation of the entire Board of Directors as a result of the investigation into match-fixing allegations.
“I have received powers to ensure the club runs smoothly until June 29, 2006, when the new Board of Directors is set to be nominated,” explained Sant’Albano.
It’s strongly rumoured that the first stepping stone to rebuilding the side will come from director of sport Franco Baldini, who has already worked with Capello at Roma.
“We are working to give Juventus a new director of sport who, sharing the vision of the club, will stand alongside Coach Fabio Capello. We’ve already started preparing for the 2006-07 campaign with Capello and we are following the evolution of the situation.”
It was always set to be a Year Zero for the Bianconeri, who will play their home games at the Stadio Olimpico in Turin while the Delle Alpi is restructured.
The club office has also moved to the new ‘Mondo Juve’ training ground in the Vinovo area of Turin.
“In this transitional period, I will work to resolve problems in bringing in new management, maintaining a strong bond with our sponsors, verifying contracts and the in-depth analysis of future projects, which will be handed on to the next CEO for his own autonomous valuation.”
Milanista
Mangiamoli!
Re: Moggi Tapes
You Interisti arent so innocent now, theres some evidence of Inter fixing UEFA referees in order to have favourable results. Seems this scandal is bigger than it seems if UEFA are part of it.
You Interisti arent so innocent now, theres some evidence of Inter fixing UEFA referees in order to have favourable results. Seems this scandal is bigger than it seems if UEFA are part of it.
Gedtillo
Mediocentro defensivo
- 13 July 2004
Re: Moggi Tapes
I've read in Marca that Juve is in serious hazard of being relegated to Serie B or even a regional league, and that their last two scudettos will probably be taken away from them...
What chances are there that this happens? What will happen with their players?
I've read in Marca that Juve is in serious hazard of being relegated to Serie B or even a regional league, and that their last two scudettos will probably be taken away from them...
What chances are there that this happens? What will happen with their players?
PLF
Legend
- 2 August 2004
Re: Moggi Tapes
I don't think they will actually relegate Juve or Milan!!! There will be penalties, maybe even very harsh ones but I don't think we'll actually see them relegated because that could end some people's LIVES and I don't think the people are brave enough and the system is "JUST" enough to do such thing!
And that's sad for me because while I have nothing against these 2 clubs as I'm neutral viewer of Serie A and would actually like them to stay, I do want everyone no matter who get punished for what they did with the RIGHT consequences but I highly doubt we'd ever see these 2 huge clubs relegated for NEXT season no matter what they prove they had done!
I wish the answer was yes there is a possibility, but no I don't think the system is that fair and not corrupt! It's more to do with money and fans... and this could hurt Serie A a lot as well as many people being threatened and their lives and their loved ones being put in danger (which nobody wants over an issue with a football club), so I don't think it'll happen!
I'd love to be proven wrong though because that'll make me happy!
I don't think they will actually relegate Juve or Milan!!! There will be penalties, maybe even very harsh ones but I don't think we'll actually see them relegated because that could end some people's LIVES and I don't think the people are brave enough and the system is "JUST" enough to do such thing!
And that's sad for me because while I have nothing against these 2 clubs as I'm neutral viewer of Serie A and would actually like them to stay, I do want everyone no matter who get punished for what they did with the RIGHT consequences but I highly doubt we'd ever see these 2 huge clubs relegated for NEXT season no matter what they prove they had done!
I wish the answer was yes there is a possibility, but no I don't think the system is that fair and not corrupt! It's more to do with money and fans... and this could hurt Serie A a lot as well as many people being threatened and their lives and their loved ones being put in danger (which nobody wants over an issue with a football club), so I don't think it'll happen!
I'd love to be proven wrong though because that'll make me happy!
vasilios
Greek God of Football
Re: Moggi Tapes
where is this evidence? everything I've read says that Inter were informed of who the referees were in advance, not that they fixed who the referees were.
Milanista said:
where is this evidence? everything I've read says that Inter were informed of who the referees were in advance, not that they fixed who the referees were.
Milanista
Mangiamoli!
Re: Moggi Tapes
Well, the source where I read this from seems to be the only source... maybe its no real then.
Well, the source where I read this from seems to be the only source... maybe its no real then.
Dominic
Serie A
- 19 August 2003
Re: Moggi Tapes
The charges of sporting fraude were made public yesterday. Milan, Lazio, Fiorentina and Juve are the clubs in question. Milan risk least punishement with Juventus risking the most heavy punishment. The trial is set to follow.
The charges of sporting fraude were made public yesterday. Milan, Lazio, Fiorentina and Juve are the clubs in question. Milan risk least punishement with Juventus risking the most heavy punishment. The trial is set to follow.
Milanista
Mangiamoli!
Re: Moggi Tapes
Milan can only get points deducted. Juve, Lazio and Fiorentina risk relegation.
Milan can only get points deducted. Juve, Lazio and Fiorentina risk relegation.
Cloud1863
Premier League
- 10 December 2004
- Stoke City
Re: Moggi Tapes
What is the maximum amount of points you could have taked off you?
Milanista said:
What is the maximum amount of points you could have taked off you?
Milanista
Mangiamoli!
Re: Moggi Tapes
They havent said, but the final verdict would be before the WC final.
They havent said, but the final verdict would be before the WC final.
Dominic
Serie A
- 19 August 2003
Re: Moggi Tapes
In fact the verdict will be ON the day of the WC final.
In fact the verdict will be ON the day of the WC final.
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ninjabreakz
Guest
What do you guys think of this?
Juventus, AC Milan, Lazio and Fiorentina have been ordered to stand trial over match-fixing allegations.
Italian football federation prosecutor Stefano Palazzi confirmed the four clubs will face questions over match-fixing allegations and demotion is a likely outcome if found guilty.
The scandal broke when Italian newspapers published transcripts of telephone conversations between senior FIGC officials and Juventus general manager Luciano Moggi discussing refereeing appointments.
Palazzi did not divulge the names of individuals, but said a number of sports figures would also be ordered to stand trial in the sports court.
"Stefano Palazzi has announced 30 people or clubs, including Juventus, AC Milan, Lazio and Fiorentina for violations of articles 1 and/or 6 of the sporting code of ethics," the federation announced in a statement.
The announcement was made after the closure of the Milan stock market, where three of the four clubs are listed, as officials were keen to lessen the prospect of flash trading in the shares.
The trial is due to start next Wednesday at Rome's Stadio Olimpico, with the Italian federation keen to reach a conclusion in early July - allowing for the authorities and clubs to plan for next term.
Juventus, AC Milan, Lazio and Fiorentina have been ordered to stand trial over match-fixing allegations.
Italian football federation prosecutor Stefano Palazzi confirmed the four clubs will face questions over match-fixing allegations and demotion is a likely outcome if found guilty.
The scandal broke when Italian newspapers published transcripts of telephone conversations between senior FIGC officials and Juventus general manager Luciano Moggi discussing refereeing appointments.
Palazzi did not divulge the names of individuals, but said a number of sports figures would also be ordered to stand trial in the sports court.
"Stefano Palazzi has announced 30 people or clubs, including Juventus, AC Milan, Lazio and Fiorentina for violations of articles 1 and/or 6 of the sporting code of ethics," the federation announced in a statement.
The announcement was made after the closure of the Milan stock market, where three of the four clubs are listed, as officials were keen to lessen the prospect of flash trading in the shares.
The trial is due to start next Wednesday at Rome's Stadio Olimpico, with the Italian federation keen to reach a conclusion in early July - allowing for the authorities and clubs to plan for next term.
Milanista
Mangiamoli!
Re: MORE Italian Football Scandal
Theres already a thread on this.. and its not MORE scandal, its the same one from 3 months ago.
Milan only violated article 1, and are the least likely to be relegated.
Theres already a thread on this.. and its not MORE scandal, its the same one from 3 months ago.
Milan only violated article 1, and are the least likely to be relegated.
Re: MORE Italian Football Scandal
ohwell, thats what you get for being corrupt bastards. They'll all probably come straight back up eventually., but I wonder how many of the players will request transfers!
Justifies my choice of Lazio for my current ML (my first ML on PES1 was with them) and now they might be playing in the 2nd division anyway, lol.
ohwell, thats what you get for being corrupt bastards. They'll all probably come straight back up eventually., but I wonder how many of the players will request transfers!
Justifies my choice of Lazio for my current ML (my first ML on PES1 was with them) and now they might be playing in the 2nd division anyway, lol.
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ninjabreakz
Guest
Cheating buggers. I used to ADORE Serie A but over the last few years it has slowly been my turning into a strange league. Low crowd attendances, bad refs, cheating players, racism, pay-offs and the pasta sauce just isn't the same anymore - it just gets worst by the season-by-season.
Dominic
Serie A
- 19 August 2003
I'm stunned by your bad English, for someone from the UK.