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Manchester United Thread

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Like I said, it depends on where Nasri wants to go. If Nasri decided that he wants to join us, he'll simply reject the other clubs. And if you dont sell him to us, he'd just join us for free.

Of course there's also the question of whether we actually want him or not.
 
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We don't spend the money we get anyway according to alot of people, so I would rather keep him for a year and not play him and waste a year of his career :)) then let him go.

I would rather go to Man United anyway, it looks more fun, hair transplants, crazy affairs, little peas etc etc
 
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Don`t start bad mouthing Nasri just yet , :LOL: don`t want to look silly. Nasri is using OT like Rooney used MCity. Maybe, Nasri has a secret affair w/ his girlfriend`s mum and the forces behind OT will help hide it for a few years :P


....About Giggs still classy he`s just MORE than a Uncle !!!!!
 
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Fergie coming out and talking about 3 signings again...I wonder when he's planning to get them done. Typically we like to do our business before the team get back together as it gives the new players a chance to bed in - especially on a tour.

I keep hoping to hear some positive news, especially now that the internationals are just about over, but am starting to worry a bit that it could be another 'no value' summer...especially if City just decide to treble any bid we put in out of spite.
 
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Ryan Giggs isn't very fussy about where he gets his birds from...

Either big brother or little brother.
 
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Theirs a lot of options out their though Beachryan, I just hope we land some of them!

Young is someone who seems like a certainty but I think it could be to get Nani more game time on the right with their still being a legitimate attacking threat from the left and someone who is willing to rotate with Valencia who will still get games.

So for debate sake De Gea and Young are done which means a midfielder is likely but I am worried were being linked with midfielder who do play in advanced role which will collide with Rooney as Hernandez IMO will continue to improve and become undroppable.

But then Anderson could be deployed in the deep role next season and hit the ground running.

Kagawa has given us a come and get me plea. Would be a good signing but I don't think we should sign him if were getting Young but I do think he's a better player and better prospect with age into the equation.
 
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Yeah, think Fergie’s definitely all about the squad these days – somewhat to a detriment of the first XI. Which is fine for the league, and really that’s all I ask for each season 

Options by position (some overlap)
GK: Lindegaard, Amos, XX XXX (assuming De Gea)
RB: Rafael, O’Shea, Fabio
CB: Rio, Vida, Smalling, Evans, XXX, O’Shea (definitely think Brown will go and we’ll strengthen)
LB: Evra, Fabio, Evans
LMF: Nani, Park, Cleverly, Obertan
RMF: Valencia, Nani, Cleverly, XXX (not convinced it’s Young, expecting a randomer now)
CMF/DMF: Carrick, Fletcher, Giggs, Anderson
AMF/SS: Rooney, Anderson, Berbatov, Cleverly
WF/CF: Rooney, Hernandez, Berbatov, Owen, Welbeck, Macheda, Diouf

I’ve probably forgotten someone (deliberately left out Bebe) but yeah I think that’s right. Might introduce Morisson, Pogba and Tunnicliffe at random points, but not as regulars. Writing it down like that, it’s so blindingly obvious to me that we’re stuffed in the centre of the park, and possibly at centre back too. I really don’t think we need another winger/ wing forward, but what do I know. If the Varane rumours were/ are true that could be who we’ve got for that hole, and likely De Gea for keeper (I hope).

What’s truly remarkable about the squad is how flexible it is. We have so many options for a front 4/5 that it’s ridiculous. Obviously that’s what Fergie was going for, but I do wonder if he isn’t going to somewhat go back to a true quality lineup for big matches next year. And despite how they did a couple times, a midfield of Giggs and Carrick is just not good enough.
 
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Did you intentionally leave out Gibson... ;-)

I don't think Kiko will come back. I reckon he'll stay in Italy now. Possibly Diouf to go as well, and possibly Welbeck on loan again (if we don't sign a winger).

I have a feeling we'll sign 4 players; a left winger (with all these Giggs stories I wouldn't be surprised if he suddenly retired), a full back, a GK and hopefully Sneidjer.

Here's an interesting thought, straight from the rumour mill:
Liverpool are being heavily linked to signing Jordan Henderson for a silly price of around £20m.
Steve Bruce is then being linked to making a move for Brown, Gibson & Welbeck.
So in theory, Liverpool would effectively be giving us £20m. To snap up another of their targets - Ashley Young.
 
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Brown, Gibson and Welbeck for £20m?! :LOL:

More like £10m max for all three. Brown isn't even worth a fee.
 
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Welbeck is worth 15M IMO Gibson is worth 5M alone on being a decent passer and being able to score goals from midfield.
 
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Brown, Gibson and Welbeck for £20m?! :LOL:

More like £10m max for all three. Brown isn't even worth a fee.
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If you lot are paying £20m for Henderson, how do you figure Welbeck isn't worth a good chunk of that? For most of the season his name was definitely on the same team's teamsheet before Hendersons, and he's actually younger.

Gibson + Welbeck should be worth at least much as Henderson.

It's also a strange world where a completely unproven talent like Henderson is immediately valued at 4x that of Gibson, who despite his obvious flaws has about 40 matches at the very highest level, CL experience and a good number more goals.
 
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yeah, the fact we are probably buying him for lot´s of money but.. it´s still better to have young player with wage about 60000 a week then 30 year old with 120000 a week.. just example..

and Henderson is quality..i imagine also United would be after him if they didn´t have Cleverly + gave new contract to Carrick..

and if Liverpool´s new owners are fine with buying him for 20 mil. pounds..than there is no worry.. i think we will buy more than one or two players this season window..
 
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Sanchez to Barcelona denied by Udinese

BELIEVE!

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Sanchez is great player but i think Modric/Sneijder would make your team more complete ;)

edit: but maybe you end up with all of them..
 
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If you lot are paying £20m for Henderson, how do you figure Welbeck isn't worth a good chunk of that? For most of the season his name was definitely on the same team's teamsheet before Hendersons, and he's actually younger.

Gibson + Welbeck should be worth at least much as Henderson.

It's also a strange world where a completely unproven talent like Henderson is immediately valued at 4x that of Gibson, who despite his obvious flaws has about 40 matches at the very highest level, CL experience and a good number more goals.
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Completely agree with you Ry. Gibson actually showed a bit of talent with his passing towards the end of the season. Even if a lot of us Utd lot don't think he's good enough for us, he'd do very well at a 'smaller' side.

If Henderson is worth up to £20m, and Rodwell (who, after injury, had a job getting back into an at times depleted Everton side) is valued at the same amount, how can Welbeck - a regular for Sunderland & the England U21s - be worth less than £10m? Especially as the price of English players is so inflated.
The one exception was Liverpool picking up Jonjo Shelvey for a small fee.
 
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If you lot are paying £20m for Henderson, how do you figure Welbeck isn't worth a good chunk of that? For most of the season his name was definitely on the same team's teamsheet before Hendersons, and he's actually younger.

Gibson + Welbeck should be worth at least much as Henderson.

It's also a strange world where a completely unproven talent like Henderson is immediately valued at 4x that of Gibson, who despite his obvious flaws has about 40 matches at the very highest level, CL experience and a good number more goals.
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I'd value Welbeck at £10m maybe, Gibson around £5m (maybe a little less), Brown as a free transfer. I'm not sure about your logic about names on a teamsheet either.

We're paying for current ability as well as potential. So because Gibson has played X games, he's immediately worth more? In that case, I'm hoping we make a move for Zidane as well because he's done it all in world football and we'd get him cheaper than Henderson and Adam!

Henderson is only 20 years old, has already impressed this season and has the chance to go to the U21's and do well and possibly increase his value even more, we could've ended up getting into a bidding war.

Tell me, did you think Ferdinand was worth £29.1m back in 2002? Was he the worlds best defender because he was transferred for the highest price? Would he have been the first name on the team sheet because of his value?

Anderson hasn't performed ANYWHERE near £17m. He still might do well, he has the potential to do well. But he's not exactly justified £17m.

Wayne Rooney, a very talented kid when he was bought by Utd for £25m. And we know he's a very good player now, but at the time, he'd hardly proven himself in the league. And you bought him because of his potential.

I can't see how United fans can really say Henderson is costing too much when you have a record of transfers like that. And Bebe...
 
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We're not denying we've spent unwisely / over the top, just commenting on how extreme the varying cost of English players is at the moment, and how people come up with these valuations.
Welbeck also has a lot of potential. Many involved in our youth & reserves regard him highly. He played well when he had a few chances in the first team a couple of years ago (scoring a screamer against Stoke too), and has gone out on loan and still earned rave reviews.

Modric is being valued at around £20m - are you honestly telling me that Henderson is in the same class (both currently & potentially)?

For every bad signing we've made I'm sure we could name another that you've made, but there's no point going down that road to be honest.
 
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As I said in the Liverpool thread, there's always that premium on English players. If Kenny wants a British squad, we're going to have to spend that bit extra to get British players in.

If FSG have got the money to pay those premiums and get us the players that Kenny wants, then brilliant. For years we've had to make do with getting second-choice players because the board either didn't want to sign the player, or didn't have the money. So it's nice that we're identifying a player and now have the money to get that player.

If it means paying extra for English players, at least we're in a position to do it for a change.

£20m is too much, if he was Spanish then he wouldn't be valued as highly. It's that simple. But we obviously want English players and we've got the means to get them now.
 
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Absolutely - most transfers involving English players have been way too high lately.
It's a vicious circle really. The media complain about the national team suffering because of the number of foreign players, but they're the ones that constantly inflate the price of English players.

On the other hand, Liverpool, like us, seem to already have a decent crop of youngsters on the verge of breaking through. So offset that against what you spend on others and it should kind of break even. Doesn't make it right, but kind of compromises I guess...
 
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I think £20m for Henderson is too much, regardless of potential the future, Englishness or anything like that. Unless it truly is the 'City effect' kicking in, and all prices are just that little bit more ridiculous.

Barry was a far more accomplished player, and everyone balked at his £24m fee, which undoubtedly was inflated due to City's wealth. Same with Milner. Hell, it's more than we paid for Carrick and Hargreaves (and Anderson and Nani etc etc)

Bebe is a scandal that I wish would get exposed. I've never tried to justify that price, it's a joke. Think how much we could have reduced season tickets by instead of buying him.

The one thing you're right about is that it's good news if the new owners are willing to pony up that far over the odds. Hints at some real financial clout, and certainly not any penny pinching.

Whereas our summer is increasingly looking like another one of 'no value'...
 
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£2m more than for Carrick, £3m more than for Hargreaves. And those transfers were done when those fees really were expensive whereas £20m these days is becoming more common.

If you look at it in comparison with how prices are these days, I'd imagine it's at least the same as paying for Carrick and Hargreaves, if not less.

And those were straight cash transfers, no players involved. Our deal is £13m and Ngog, where Ngog's value is subjective anyway.
 
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Listen, I like Henderson, think he'll be a decent signing. But it just scares me that he's worth something like £20m. If a player that has 1 season under his belt, 1 cap for his country and fairly standard performances for that 1 year is worth £20m, what the hell is someone like Snjeider worth?
 
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English players have been overpriced for years now, it's been this way for a long time and I can't see it changing. Until England start to produce quality footballers on a regular basis and there's more of a market to buy from, the select few will always be top dollar.

I'd love to see English players go for the same price as the foreign equivalents but until English clubs stop importing players and not concentrating on their own, it's not going to happen anytime soon.

Maybe you could get Sneijder for £20m instead, or X player from Italy. But there's no guarantee that they'll settle here. In the Prem, or into the English lifestyle. When you're signing English players, you've got a better chance of the gamble working out.

As mentioned in the Liverpool thread, there's no guarantee that Hazard or Gervinho would be suited to the league. Every transfer is a gamble, it's less of a gamble buying English but you pay extra for that.

It's shit but what else are we going to do? Keep buying foreign players? Everyone complains about the state of our game, too many foreigners, not enough English players, our national team not having enough competition for international squad places. So do we keep going out and taking punts on foreigners on the hope that they settle in? Or do we pay a bit more for a little more certainty?

Until our game changes its habits, English players will always be overpriced. Hopefully we'll see a chain of the "bigger" clubs signing English players for large amount, the selling club will then use that money to buy English players from lower leagues and we bring up English players like we should be doing. Moyes is a very good example of this, signing players from lower divisions.

That's not going to happen though. And teams will still rather go out and spend £20m on a foreigner because an Englishman with the same skill will cost them £40m. And that's wrong.
 
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Yeah, agree with most of that. Sucks, but you're right.

At least he'll be at a club with (hopefully) other good young English talents where he can grow into a real quality player.

I still like the idea of having a championship team made up of England's best young players, playing together. And the prem premadonnas can do what they all clearly want to do and just retire from the national game.
 
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There needs to be a proper foreign player cap. It wont happen because of EU regulations but that would make our game so much better. We've become a circus act and although it's exciting, you have to say that the English core has pretty much gone. In my opinion anyway.

Going back to Henderson, £13m and Ngog looks like it could be good for all parties.

We get a young, exciting English player who's got talent now and lots of potential. We also ship out a player who hardly featured, will free up wages, and has gone from being bought from £1.5m to valued at £7m.

Sunderland are then linked with signing players like Welbeck, Gibson and Brown. British players.

Utd go and buy Ashley Young, English player again. Speaking of Ashley Young, is he worth £17m?

And maybe we'll see Villa signing players from the Championship?
 
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I think Young is definitely worth £17m or so, he's been one of the most productive players in the league for 2 years now. The issue is that he only has 1 more year on his contract, so his fee should come down a bit.

Interesting that he's getting married this weekend. Hopefully he's maturing off the pitch as well as on it.

I don't think United need him as much as they need certain other positions filled, but then again being two injuries away from starting Park on one side and Fletcher on the other wing scares me into panic buys ;)

Fergie clearly doesn't believe we can play Valencia and Nani at the same time, or else it really doesn't make any sense. Unless there is some Nani related news coming our way :(!
 
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