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Manchester United Thread

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RuneEdge said:
Thats not my point. Im saying we dont need a sugar daddy. We never have.
I want someone rich to take over just for the sake of clearing the debt.
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FSG took over us with the intention of clearing the debt and working us into a position so that we can use shirt sales etc as our transfer funds. It makes sense and we're saving £30m or so a season in debt payments. So if we can put that towards players, plus increase the commercial side, you don't need a chairman to put money in, just run the club right.

I'm assuming that's what you're getting at, and your income from commercial sales would be ridiculous. If your debt was gone and you could use that income for players, you'd be well and truly set.
 
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DagsJT said:
FSG took over us with the intention of clearing the debt and working us into a position so that we can use shirt sales etc as our transfer funds. It makes sense and we're saving £30m or so a season in debt payments. So if we can put that towards players, plus increase the commercial side, you don't need a chairman to put money in, just run the club right.

I'm assuming that's what you're getting at, and your income from commercial sales would be ridiculous. If your debt was gone and you could use that income for players, you'd be well and truly set.
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Yep. How annoying is it that we have the perfect operating model to truly be the biggest club in the world - but can't - because of the ownership situation.

Bugger.
 
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RuneEdge said:
Thats not my point. Im saying we dont need a sugar daddy. We never have.
I want someone rich to take over just for the sake of clearing the debt.
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sugar daddy is someone RICH! whether its to pay off debt or players. A group could not be labeled sugar daddy only individuals. So , you want a sugar daddy like Roman that pay-off Chelsea`s debts. I think the club has to revenue it`s earning by debt to ratio. That keeps the Clubs running on the plus factor. Owners take or borrow as collateral put the club at risk.
 
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DagsJT said:
FSG took over us with the intention of clearing the debt and working us into a position so that we can use shirt sales etc as our transfer funds. It makes sense and we're saving £30m or so a season in debt payments. So if we can put that towards players, plus increase the commercial side, you don't need a chairman to put money in, just run the club right.

I'm assuming that's what you're getting at, and your income from commercial sales would be ridiculous. If your debt was gone and you could use that income for players, you'd be well and truly set.
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Thats exactly it. And its how all football clubs should be run, only spend what you earn.

beboq said:
sugar daddy is someone RICH! whether its to pay off debt or players. A group could not be labeled sugar daddy only individuals. So , you want a sugar daddy like Roman that pay-off Chelsea`s debts. I think the club has to revenue it`s earning by debt to ratio. That keeps the Clubs running on the plus factor. Owners take or borrow as collateral put the club at risk.
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:ROLL:
Theres a difference between someone rich and a sugar daddy.
A sugar daddy is someone who's rich and throws his money around on younger women for his personal enjoyment. In the case of football clubs, its someone who takes over the club for pretty much the same reasons, his own enjoyment rather than actually hoping to make a profit. Abramovich has spent nearly £500m on Chelsea out of his own pocket. That's like half of what our whole club is worth. Is he in it for profit? Clearly not. He's now probably hoping its profitable in the long term but its clearly not why he came to Chelsea.
We dont need that. We were doing fine 6 or 7 years ago. We didnt borrow tons of money to fund players and become another Leeds United. We helped ourselves, with of course the fans support.
And it seems like now its only possible to get that back if someone rich enough could come in and buy out our debts.
 
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My point was theirs nothing suggesting we can't spend right now Rune, I would prefer no debt but wouldnt want the risk of having another Roman turning us into Plastic FC 3'
 
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YoungGun_UK said:
My point was theirs nothing suggesting we can't spend right now Rune, I would prefer no debt but wouldnt want the risk of having another Roman turning us into Plastic FC 3'
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I've never questioned the Glazer's ambition in the transfer market. That wasnt my point.
I was just pointing out that they havent really improved our transfer dealings either cuz we were always spending big money before they even came in.
And like I said before, we dont need someone taking over to help us buy players and turn us into "Plastic FC" like you said. We just need someone to clear the debt. Who ever that person will be, wont need to inject any more money into the club cuz the club will generate its own money from then on.
 
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Has Hargreaves really injured his shoulder?

How can one person possibly be so unfortunate?
 
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beachryan said:
Wow, do we still have that scout somewhere? That was some good work. Clearly not the same guy that spotted Bebe.

Daniel Taylor did an interview recently where he was asked about his Bebe attacks, and said look, I don't want to talk about it anymore, but I'll leave you with a quote from one of the training staff: "It's like watching a competition winner."

Magic.
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I don't get it. Please enlighten me.

And who's Daniel Taylor?
 
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PLF said:
I don't get it. Please enlighten me.

And who's Daniel Taylor?
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He's the Guardian's Manchester correspondent - a guy that loves to 'break' the big stories. Ironically enough, he's also banned from press conferences because he wrote an unauthorised, unapproved book about Fergie. So their Manchester coverage is done by a guy that gets whisked around in luxury by Man City, and is banned from speaking to United. Balanced reporting ensues.

Anyway, the quote about Bebe was that he looked like some kid who'd won a competition to do a training session with United, rather than one that is actually a player there.
 
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http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11881_6837232,00.html
Release Owen and bring back Ruud?
He seems to be happy with a reserve place. I'd love Owen to stay but he's never fit when needed. Plus we have Chicharito now. Plus I'd like the idea of having Chicharito, Rooney, Berba and Ruud. All 4 are totally different and bring something new to the table.
 
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What would be the point? instead lets release Owen and bring back Welbeck or keep Owen and let Welbeck get another season of first team football.
 
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YoungGun_UK said:
What would be the point? instead lets release Owen and bring back Welbeck or keep Owen and let Welbeck get another season of first team football.
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Welbeck was the first thing that came to mind but it seems like he's considering his future and he wants to be playing games. I can easily imagine him being sold. And Owen is too injury prone.
 
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And what about Diouf?

I'd imagine if United do sell Welbeck, they'll probably at least put a buy back option or something. He does seem a lot more talented than the likes of Frazier-Campbell or Ebanks-Blake and to have more potential though it's still too early to tell so I don't think they should just let him go...
 
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I'd take Ruud any day of the week, even for a short term thing like Henrik Larsson was. Hernandez is a superb finisher but even he isn't a patch on Ruud.

Sina, Diouf is fairly obviously not going to make it at United. He's hardly shone at Blackburn (he's shown little bits of talent but in all honesty, he's rubbish).

I fear we may end up giving Welbeck to Sunderland so hopefully we do get a buy back just in case he becomes the next big thing.
 
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I fully agree. From what I've seen, this guy is not good enough at all. I was just reminding you guys that Diouf is still on Man Utd's books and so he's yet another striker United have. Now whether they want him or not is a whole other thing and I agree... he doesn't look good enough at all.

Welbeck seems far better and Chicharito is in an entirely different class of course. Hernandez reminds me of a young Michael Owen with his acceleration and movement and finishing. But a Mexican version. :P
 
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Don't forget that we still have Macheda who's on loan in Italy. He's another striker we can call back...

that is a lot of strikers...would be sad to lose Welbeck or Macheda, but with berba, rooney, chicharito, only one more can survive, and it won't give them much playing chances in that fourth role.
 
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Haha true! I totally forgot about Kiko! lol

Too many strikers.

Diouf would be last choice and should definitely be gotten rid of. Others have a chance...
 
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I'm desperate that we keep Welbeck. I can't see Fergie getting rid of him yet. With only Berba, Roon and Chicarito ahead of him in the pecking order, he'll get plenty of matches next season.

I've never understood the Macheda love, tbh. I'll always thank him for that goal against Villa, but he's not shown enough to warrant a place in our 'big 4' strikers. He's not all that fast, not all that technical, not all that good in the air. His arrogance is all well and good, but he needs to back it up with some actual performance.

Worst thing about Diouf is that he's at Blackburn - where they'll clearly not pay anything to sign him permanently!
 
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Ruud is still a top quality striker. And to find someone like him who's willing to be a back up is not common. If we dont pick him up, I can imagine someone like Spurs will.
 
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just had confirmation that i've got tickets for the wembley semi against city.
kind of wish i hadn't got lucky in the ballot though, from what i'm hearing there's going to be lots of trouble.
 
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J79 said:
just had confirmation that i've got tickets for the wembley semi against city.
kind of wish i hadn't got lucky in the ballot though, from what i'm hearing there's going to be lots of trouble.
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Congrats on the tix, but the bad news is Mike Dean is the ref. So enjoy the 'show how tough I am by punishing United' performance from the lil snivelling git in the middle...
 
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i hadn't heard mike dean was already appointed as the ref, one more reason for concern! going to be a long horrible journey home if we lose.

i remember being at the old wembley when we lost to villa in the league cup in 94, the trip home was not a nice experience and we only had to put up with them until birmingham
 
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread.

RuneEdge said:
Ruud is still a top quality striker. And to find someone like him who's willing to be a back up is not common. If we dont pick him up, I can imagine someone like Spurs will.
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But that's the point we already have Owen who does the exact same job and he is DEFINITELY fine with it, Ruud got dropped a couple of times and lost the plot similar to Tevez.

Welbeck is more of a "Forward" than a striker in that he'll be able to operate across the entire front 4. If we end up selling him for 20M I think it will be because a lack of funds and to pay for a player. Hopefully that's not the case.

Macheda has the potential to be a Ruud IMO, he also has that self belief like Ronaldo to win a match which is rare, hopefully he has the work ethic like Ron to make it.
 
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I'd rather keep Owen if he was as fit as Ruud, but thats not the case. Lets say one of our top 3 strikers get taken out for the rest of the season. Do you really feel safe knowing we only have Owen as backup?
 
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My only concern with Ruud is how willing he is to be a backup. Owen wants to play, but he also understands that is not his role, so if he has the health and the chance, he'd be more than happy to pounce on it. Where as Ruud, while he is still considered a top striker, I do not think he will be fine being the fourth striker behind hernandez. That will just cause more trouble than needed...
 
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ss4_goku said:
My only concern with Ruud is how willing he is to be a backup. Owen wants to play, but he also understands that is not his role, so if he has the health and the chance, he'd be more than happy to pounce on it. Where as Ruud, while he is still considered a top striker, I do not think he will be fine being the fourth striker behind hernandez. That will just cause more trouble than needed...
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But did you read that link I posted?
"I have decided that if a really big European club does approach me, I will accept a role as reserve striker."
 
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woops, my bad...haha, I guess I missed that line. But in all respect, how many players really mean that? I have just seen so many players who still think that they are who they were and won't accept the new roles given to them...

or maybe that's just my skepticism especially seeing players like Ballack refusing to even attend the game if he was not named in the starting eleven...
 
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