Manchester United Thread

[matherto]

is the premiership now becoming too easy, no one can get close to us, nani was shocking tonight, not as bad as webb tho!!!

This despite us nearly losing and (probably should've) almost drawing with 18th placed Blackburn...

 

[RuneEdge]

that cheating little cunt shouldn't have still been on the pitch to score that goal. He was booked for diving (which according to all bitter mancs, he doesn't do anymore ffs) and then get away with YET ANOTHER petulant little shithouse kick at an opponent.

When will a referee break protocol and send this cunt off for his little tantrums, every other player gets sent off for kicking out, this is the fourth time this season he's done it and not been punished.

People like you make this world a better place.

 

[marukomu]

Admittedly he is wrong to kick out, but the reson why is never mentioned. Dunn kicked him first but because he retaliated he is the guilty party. When did this become logical? It's just some stupid 'grandma' moral thing. 'two wrongs don't make a right' and all the websites (and scousers) need something to complain about. If it was the other way round, they'd still be claiming it was all Ronaldo and Dunn was right to have a go back.

 

[RuneEdge]

Its reached a point now where it's not even worth arguing comments like that.
What's happened, has happened. If you like Ronaldo then great, if you don't then tough shit. He'll still be here every week to show you how its done, like with that freekick no matter how many times he'll do something negative.

 

[UJSupanova]

People like you make this world a better place.

why's that cock?

fact of the matter is, real United fans can admit when their player cheats, a lot of United fans have lost respect for Ronaldo because of the way he held the club to ransom over the summer, of course, a lot of United fans aren't arsed about that they just see him score and couldn't give a shit that he dragged the club through the gutter and back.

Do you honestly not think he should have been booked or sent off for the four times he's kicked out this season?


And as for the pathetic cop-out response from marukomu no it wouldn't be the same way, you see when Mascherano got sent off against Man Utd, 99% of Liverpool fans agreed with it because he was being pathetic, when Lucas got sent off last week against Everton 99% of Liverpool fans agreed with it because he made 2 stupid challenges. When Ronaldo kicks out at a player 99% of United fans jump to his defence and make some shit reason up for why he did it. If you want to do that fine, but tell me why he kicked out at Dawson in the Tottenham game, and tell me why he got away with it. I bet everyone of you thought Wright-Phillips should have been sent off for kicking out against Delap last week didn't you?

I love how blinkered you lot really are, you will not accept when one of your players acts like a cunt, and the fact is you've got the most arrogant cunt in world football playing for you and you know it but won't admit it.

 

[phrase]

Is this a season of bad refereeing? I dont know why Evans goal didnt stood.About the Ronaldo kicking out,Webb was behind him and he saw it.According to the commentators,he gave a quiet word to Ronaldo afterwards.Webb saw it but was prepared to let it go.

I dont know why Kuszczak was chosen tonight...he is cack.Foster should have started.It was needless for him go for the ball when Rio was there with Santa Cruz...he just ending up bumping into Rio.Clearly without confidence there.

Cracking freekick from Cristiano,unstoppable.I didnt like the game towards the end because we were clearly pressured to keep the lead.Slotting Vida right in was the prefect sub made because he held the fort.A win is a win and it should settle the boys nicely for Internazionale.

 

[Phat J 22]

he didnt slot vida in though, evans got injured. theres a good chance hes not going to make the inter game. you're right though he came in at the perfect time, we needed his presence towards the end there. we're gonna miss him badly in milan.

about ronaldo, i dont like him. not since two seasons ago when he tried to leave and then especially last summer when he dragged the club through all that bullshit. when the game is on i support my team but to be perfectly honest id rather lose without him than win with him. hes not a real red devil and he never will be, hes just here for the success and would leave in a heartbeat if he had the chance and i hope he does.

 

[crayon]

Have to agree with Phat J 22. Ronaldo is all about Ronaldo and as much as he is a magnificent player he lets himself down with the spoilt child attitude (throwing the toys out of the pram when things don't go his way) - a great example to kids watching!

Sending off a player at United from United? Not likely to happen. That's why he pushes his luck.

 

[marukomu]

And as for the pathetic cop-out response from marukomu no it wouldn't be the same way, you see when Mascherano got sent off against Man Utd, 99% of Liverpool fans agreed with it because he was being pathetic

Absolute rubbish. try reading back when it happened. You lot were going mental about it.

I love how blinkered you lot really are, you will not accept when one of your players acts like a cunt, and the fact is you've got the most arrogant cunt in world football playing for you and you know it but won't admit it.

Two words - Steven. Gerrard.
Held your club to ransom two summers on the trot. Diving cunt. Retaliates for less than what happened to Ronaldo. Ronaldo taps a guy for kicking him. Gerrard puts a guy in hospital because he won't play Phil Collins. Who's the bigger cunt there?

 

[RuneEdge]

why's that cock?

fact of the matter is, real United fans can admit when their player cheats, a lot of United fans have lost respect for Ronaldo because of the way he held the club to ransom over the summer, of course, a lot of United fans aren't arsed about that they just see him score and couldn't give a shit that he dragged the club through the gutter and back.

Do you honestly not think he should have been booked or sent off for the four times he's kicked out this season?

I know he cheats. If you had any brains you would have gathered that from the tone of my posts. I'm saying that I don't care if he cheats. I don't even care about the whole Madrid saga either. As a matter of fact, if that £100 million sum was true, we probably should have taken it.
The fact is, he's still the World Player of the Year and arguably the best in the world. He won us the Champions League and many other trophies in the short time he had been here. Sometimes the fans themselves can get greedy when they start to think that every player who plays for them some how owes them their life, simply because they paid for tickets and cheered for them. As big of a prick you are, I'm sure even you would put yourself and your family before your job right, UJSupanova?
If Ronaldo played his last game tomorrow, I'll still give him a standing ovation as he leaves the pitch cuz thats the least he deserves for everything he has given us.

So cry all you want. I hope we win again thanks to another Ronaldo dive and freekick cuz I honestly don't give a fuck. Cuz its not like you guys are exactly angels either.

Good luck for tonights game, dickhead. You'll need it.


EDIT
For some reason I love this picture even more after your last post.

 

[Phat J 22]

I know he cheats. If you had any brains you would have gathered that from the tone of my posts. I'm saying that I don't care if he cheats. I don't even care about the whole Madrid saga either. As a matter of fact, if that £100 million sum was true, we probably should have taken it.
The fact is, he's still the World Player of the Year and arguably the best in the world. He won us the Champions League and many other trophies in the short time he had been here. Sometimes the fans themselves can get greedy when they start to think that every player who plays for them some how owes them their life, simply because they paid for tickets and cheered for them. As big of a prick you are, I'm sure even you would put yourself and your family before your job right, UJSupanova?
If Ronaldo played his last game tomorrow, I'll still give him a standing ovation as he leaves the pitch cuz thats the least he deserves for everything he has given us.

So cry all you want. I hope we win again thanks to another Ronaldo dive and freekick cuz I honestly don't give a fuck. Cuz its not like you guys are exactly angels either.

Good luck for tonights game, dickhead. You'll need it.

you make some good points there, i agree that what hes done for the club has been immense and id applaud him as well. at the same time though id be happy to see him go, i dont like seeing players like that in my team.

even you though will probably change your tune when he starts that real madrid shit in the summer and tries engineering himself a move away again.

 

[RuneEdge]

Looking back on it, we probably should have taken the money. He hasnt exactly been playing like a £100 million rated player this year and God knows how he'll be next season. Of course I'd feel bad if he left but when I think about what we won with him then its hard to say anything negative about his career with us.
And the only reason I don't care about the diving and all that is because I know he's not the only one that does it. But cuz its Ronaldo we're talking about here, it gets highlighted. And I wouldnt want to take away his attitude or arrogance because thats a major part of the player that he is. Just like how important Rooney's attitude is to his game.

 

[TikTikTikTikTik]

Gerrard puts a guy in hospital because he won't play Phil Collins. Who's the bigger cunt there?

Anyone who wants Phil Collins played should be locked up!

 

[marukomu]

Stupid argument really anyway. If Gerrard played for us, we'd be backing him and most of you would do the same if Houllier had actually signed Ronaldo when he was offered to him.

 

[Vannizzlefashizzal]

Two words - Steven. Gerrard.
Held your club to ransom two summers on the trot. Diving cunt. Retaliates for less than what happened to Ronaldo. Ronaldo taps a guy for kicking him. Gerrard puts a guy in hospital because he won't play Phil Collins. Who's the bigger cunt there?

quality!

 

[Vannizzlefashizzal]

Stupid argument really anyway. If Gerrard played for us, we'd be backing him and most of you would do the same if Houllier had actually signed Ronaldo when he was offered to him.

good point...

we agree that ronaldo is a cunting little twat...

but he's OUR cunting little twat!

 

[beachryan]

that cheating little cunt shouldn't have still been on the pitch to score that goal. He was booked for diving (which according to all bitter mancs, he doesn't do anymore ffs) and then get away with YET ANOTHER petulant little shithouse kick at an opponent.

When will a referee break protocol and send this cunt off for his little tantrums, every other player gets sent off for kicking out, this is the fourth time this season he's done it and not been punished.

Not wanting to bust up your conspiracy party, but he actually did the little kick out BEFORE the yellow. In reaction to a kick from Dunn, but hey, no one cares about Dunn. Hence, had he had a yellow, one presumes he would not have dove. What's the point of talking in hypotheticals, unless you're making lame excuses.

They should have had a penalty. No denying that.

 

[marukomu]

Evans goal should have stood so that cancels that one out.

 

[Jumbo_]

that cheating little cunt shouldn't have still been on the pitch to score that goal. He was booked for diving (which according to all bitter mancs, he doesn't do anymore ffs) and then get away with YET ANOTHER petulant little shithouse kick at an opponent.

When will a referee break protocol and send this cunt off for his little tantrums, every other player gets sent off for kicking out, this is the fourth time this season he's done it and not been punished.

I see what you're saying. I suppose you must feel the same about Gerrard then? Like when he went through Kalou against Chelsea, spent most of the match screaming at Riley and finally got booked for something else..can't think what though... oh yeah it was for diving, I assume you were screaming for the ref to get the 'cunt' sent off then?

Difference is nobody really mentions it cos it's captain courageous, Superman Stevie Me.

"Steve Gerrard, Gerrard........... He kisses the badge on his chest, then puts in a transfer request.... Steve Gerrard, Gerrard"

 

[YoungGun_UK]

Exactly Gerrard is more of a diver than Ronaldo, But the papers have never questionend him over it? Ronaldo was a idiot to do it no doubt but at the end of the day he made up for it only minutes later, He has his flaws but his ability makes up for it.

Great win yesterday, Was a real battle and Blackburn showed that if you do attack us and play football instead of parking the bus you can get some chances and give us a right game.

Evans looks likely to miss the Inter trip, Not sure what SAF will come up with, Hopefuly O'Shea makes it.

 

[Jumbo_]

Yeah it's gotta be Sheasy really, Vidic, Wes and Gary are all out and the reports are saying Chester might play but he looked very vunerable and a bit out of his depth when he came on against Derby and isn't he out on loan at Peterbrough now anyway?

Can't really think who else would play there? Cant really risk a short full back against Inter cos Adriano, Ibra, Cruz etc are all big players so we need aerial presence.

 

[UJSupanova]

Absolute rubbish. try reading back when it happened. You lot were going mental about it.




Two words - Steven. Gerrard.
Held your club to ransom two summers on the trot. Diving cunt. Retaliates for less than what happened to Ronaldo. Ronaldo taps a guy for kicking him. Gerrard puts a guy in hospital because he won't play Phil Collins. Who's the bigger cunt there?

ok i'll comment on your first point first. "read back" yeh exactly. I'm talking about the real Liverpool fans who go the game like myself, not people on internet message boards supporting a team from another country.

Besides, when did Gerrard hold the club to ransom? He asked to leave ONCE because he thought Rick Parry was trying to get rid of him anyway, he didn't do it for two years, Chelsea stirred the shit one year and tried to engineer a move and it didn't work. As for the Comment about the assault, where you there? Gerrard's pleading not guilty and you have no evidence to suggest he did anything have you?

Grow up son.

 

[UJSupanova]

I see what you're saying. I suppose you must feel the same about Gerrard then? Like when he went through Kalou against Chelsea, spent most of the match screaming at Riley and finally got booked for something else..can't think what though... oh yeah it was for diving, I assume you were screaming for the ref to get the 'cunt' sent off then?

Difference is nobody really mentions it cos it's captain courageous, Superman Stevie Me.

to be totally honest yes i did say at the time that Gerrard should be booked for diving and i called him an embarrassing cunt too, and yes he does dive, not as much as Ronaldo but he does do it. Thing is 90% of the time Gerrard gets nothing, whereas 90% of the time Ronaldo gets the free kick.

 

[YoungGun_UK]

Your Kidding Surely?

Yeah it's gotta be Sheasy really, Vidic, Wes and Gary are all out and the reports are saying Chester might play but he looked very vunerable and a bit out of his depth when he came on against Derby and isn't he out on loan at Peterbrough now anyway?

Can't really think who else would play there? Cant really risk a short full back against Inter cos Adriano, Ibra, Cruz etc are all big players so we need aerial presence.

We are truly fucked, Reminds me of Milan 2007,
-____-_____-Rio--Evra

Is all we have at the moment, O'Shea maybe at CB but Rafael surely isnt ready to play such a big game, Fletcher possibly could be played their? or O'Shea at RB with Carrick at CB?

Worrying

 

[Jumbo_]

to be totally honest yes i did say at the time that Gerrard should be booked for diving and i called him an embarrassing cunt too, and yes he does dive, not as much as Ronaldo but he does do it. Thing is 90% of the time Gerrard gets nothing, whereas 90% of the time Ronaldo gets the free kick.

Oh come on mate, Gerrard gets countless freekicks and penalties from diving. The funny thing is, him and Ronaldo are very similar in the sense that they both do it cos they take the freekicks and penalties and want it to be all about them.

Your Kidding Surely?



We are truly fucked, Reminds me of Milan 2007,
-____-_____-Rio--Evra

Is all we have at the moment, O'Shea maybe at CB but Rafael surely isnt ready to play such a big game, Fletcher possibly could be played their? or O'Shea at RB with Carrick at CB?

Worrying

Yeah Carrick is the only option I can think of if we have to play someone out of position. Another worrying thing is Rio's not looking to good since his injury and we're gonna rely heavily on him at the San Siro. O'shea is ok at CB, Rafael should be ok, he did well against Arsenal and City, they were quite big games.

Another thing I meant to say before, Scholes, Nani, Rio & Kuszsack were all at fault for the goal. Could so easily have been avoided.

 

[RuneEdge]

Jumbo, you made a good point about Rafael earlier though. Its not about how good he is, he's just too small for players like Adriano. And when playing away, its all about damage control and making sure we take atleast a goal with us back home. Rafael could do well at home when we go all out for the win but I'm not too sure about the San Siro.
I'd personally have O'Shea at CB and Fletcher at RB along with Rio and Evra.

 

[Metallica]

Well done to the scum for holding up the other scum

 

[Dazfeeder]

7 points clear thanks to man shitty, Liverpool cant play with out Gerrard, simple as, we have proved we dont need Ronaldo to win us games, hes not exactly played well this season despite his 13 goals

 

[jpmanu2008]

Congratulations to Man Utd on winning their third title in a row!

 

[UJSupanova]

7 points clear thanks to man shitty, Liverpool cant play with out Gerrard, simple as, we have proved we dont need Ronaldo to win us games, hes not exactly played well this season despite his 13 goals

don't want to piss on your fire mate but check the stats, i think you'll be pleasantly surprised to learn that in the past year or so Liverpool have fared much better without Gerrard than United have without Ronaldo.

From a LFC fansite, while some of the opinions may be bollocks, the stats are accurate:

If you can't check, let me do it for you: United lost five league games last season. Rooney missed four of them, Ronaldo missed three, and they did not play together in any of those defeats. Of these opponents, only Chelsea were a team in the top eight, so it's not skewed by difficult games.

In the 12 league matches Rooney did not start, United's accrued a 69-point average when extrapolated over 38 games, as opposed to the 87 they actually racked up. In the seven games Ronaldo did not start, the average would have made an even worse total: 65 points. Or the tally that saw Everton finish 5th.

Shockingly, in the four games in which neither started –– against Manchester City, Bolton, Sunderland and Spurs (again, no giants, but admittedly one derby) –– they dropped half of the available points: meaning an average of 57 if extrapolated over 38 games. Or equivalent to finishing 8th, like Portsmouth.

(Also, of the three league games Ronaldo missed at the start of this season, United dropped five points, which is the form of a mid-table side.)

Yes, United have other good players all over the pitch, but do these facts not suggest that they are overly reliant on their best two attacking players?

While United have coped well in the last few games without Rooney, without either him and/or Ronaldo on a regular basis, the form book suggests that they are not a title-winning side. Indeed, far from it.

(Of course, if United did not have these players on a very regular basis, or indeed at all, they'd try to buy similar replacements; just as Liverpool obviously would in the case of Torres and Gerrard.)

Now look at Liverpool without Torres and Gerrard this season.

Gerrard has failed to start four league games –– Villa, United, Fulham and Portsmouth. Two of those are clearly very tough fixtures, against top-three sides. Two were at home, two away. And yet Liverpool's record is won two, drawn two. Over 38 league games, that is worth an impressive 76 points.

Due to injury, Torres has failed to start no fewer than 15 league games. These resulted in ten wins, four draws and just one defeat. Over a 38 game season, that ratio would earn an incredible 86 points. That is a title-winning tally; last year United got 87, but needed only 86.

Perhaps due to Torres playing at least half a dozen games when lacking sharpness, Liverpool have actually fared better without him; with him starting, the Reds have won five and drawn five, which is 76 points in terms of form over 38 games. (Though he did win the weekend's game from the bench.)

It gets even more amazing. In each of the two league games Liverpool started without both Torres and Gerrard, the Reds won: against United and Pompey. It's only two games, of course, but it's a 100% record. Or 114 points over the course of a season! (Silly, I know, when based on such a small sample, but a 100% record is a 100% record.)

Yes, these are statistics – but then league tables are formed from similar statistics relating to win, lose or draw, which are the most important kind. And yes, United's figures are based on last season (when they won the title) and Liverpool's this season (as they challenge for it). Even so, it's valid.

But even I was shocked at how remarkably disparate the win/lose/draw statistics were. I'm no genius; I just sat down and bothered to check some team sheets and calculate some figures, rather than just make ignorant assumptions like the McPundits.

So why are Liverpool the team perceived to rely on just two players? Why does someone like Tim Sherwood say that United don't rely on their key men and Liverpool do?

Why isn't the truth –– that United cannot seem to cope very well without Ronaldo, and certainly not well at all without both him and Rooney –– more well known?

Why isn't Rafa praised for getting so many great results without his key men this season, rather than just constantly criticised?

Why isn't Ferguson accused of being lucky or relying on Rooney and Ronaldo to get him out of trouble?

I'll leave you (and anyone in the media who reads this) to draw your own conclusions. But based on these figures, if I were Alex Ferguson and United lost Rooney and Ronaldo to serious injury, I'd be very worried.