Manchester United Thread

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the real slim shady said:
Great win for man yo! Good to see the gunners run come to end, though it should have never been allowed to get this far, should have ended about a month again when the the Arse played Bolton. On that day the ref helped Arsenal escape with a point and helped keep their unbeaten run going, now they want to whinge when the ref makes a couple of dubious decisions, fair go gunners you've had a run of 49 games where the ref made every call in your favour, now fuckin accept that you were beaten by a better team on the day and move on.
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bollocks, what a pile of shit. i'm making no excuses for us losing, it was gonna come to end one day. but how the fuck were they the better team. rooney only scored cause we bombed every one forward and we only bombed everyone forward because of the penalty. toure did us no favours by diving at the other end. in the end i reckon i should have been a draw, that taking into account all of the refs decisions i think i'm being generous. we didn't do anything to deserve to win that game but neither did they. our season starts here. we no longer go into every game with that record over our heads. we won't go into every game with doubt but with a sense to prove to ourselves.
 
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there should most definitely be a thread devoted to people who likes to rant on about clubs they do not like, and at the same time those people can use that thread to bitch about a lousy performance by their team.

maybe some of those horse comments we saw comin'. putting those redundant pictures of soup cans and pictures of that glazer around here is just not needed

i encourage your humour, for we all seem to need it nowadays, but elsewhere please

-fb
 
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bradley1886 said:
bollocks, what a pile of shit. i'm making no excuses for us losing, it was gonna come to end one day. but how the fuck were they the better team. rooney only scored cause we bombed every one forward and we only bombed everyone forward because of the penalty. toure did us no favours by diving at the other end. in the end i reckon i should have been a draw, that taking into account all of the refs decisions i think i'm being generous. we didn't do anything to deserve to win that game but neither did they. our season starts here. we no longer go into every game with that record over our heads. we won't go into every game with doubt but with a sense to prove to ourselves.
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Listen Bradley the forums are no place for such profanity. How were Manchester the better team? that outplayed Arsenal for the majority of the match, and won the match, to me that is outplaying the oppositon. But I understand it must be difficult for you to view it this way, whatching through your rose tinted gooner glasses and all, must make everything appear totally opposite to what the rest of the world sees it aye.

The world is out to get us, we are Arsenal rulers of the hard done by, it was the refs fault, we should have won, Ruud is a cheat, Rooney dived, Phill Neville is a drug cheat and the most underated footballer in England. The list of gooner complaints goes on.
 
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the real slim shady said:
Listen Bradley the forums are no place for such profanity. How were Manchester the better team? that outplayed Arsenal for the majority of the match, and won the match, to me that is outplaying the oppositon. But I understand it must be difficult for you to view it this way, whatching through your rose tinted gooner glasses and all, must make everything appear totally opposite to what the rest of the world sees it aye.

The world is out to get us, we are Arsenal rulers of the hard done by, it was the refs fault, we should have won, Ruud is a cheat, Rooney dived, Phill Neville is a drug cheat and the most underated footballer in England. The list of gooner complaints goes on.
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what are you on about. united didn't have a clear cut chance until the penalty. and i said we didn't deserve to win it either. ruud didn't cheat, he's just a dirty bastard. rooney did cheat but he seems to be making a habit of cheating people lately so what did we expect. and who the fuck cares about the neville twats.
 
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MU gets a soft penalty @ OT in EPL.. gee i aint heard that before. i shudder to think how many titles they have won based on this bias. It's so funny , cos when they play in CL , their diving efforts get laughed at, then they look like the average team they really are. my 2 cents.
 
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i reckon united are above average but still no where near us. you beat us. congratulations, but if we had beat you would people have said we have one the league and united won't win another game. i doubt it, everybody was waiting for us to lose so they could say our team are fragile and won't be able to handle the pressure. we are STILL the team to beat and united are STILL 8 points behind. we'll see if you guys give 250% against sides that are nowhere near as good as us. you won one game and you all think that you r the best team in the world again. please.
 
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ok, we should cool down...let's be honest, it's just a game we won...and yeah, it's special cause we ended ur winning streak and meant that we were still in title run...that's it...it DOESN'T mean how Arsenal will no longer win any games, nor manchester will win every game from now on...it is just what we hope and wish...

now, the tension increases even more for the derby at highbury!
 
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The Arse had 1 ( ONE ) shot on target the entire game, free scoring , breathtaking, unbeatable, better than brasil '70, AC Milan early '90's. Stop whinging get over it , your defeat was long overdue.
 
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There are still bitter Arsenal posts in this thread. Get over it, we beat you!
 
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I agree with the ninja, all gooners take you whining to "the offical the Arse lost to Man Yoo, it was a conspiracy we were robbed by a ref hell bent on restoring Man United to their former glory days" thread convinently located under Tottenham are shite and well overrated and have returned to mid table medocrity were they will always belong.
 
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Jeff Winter made some good points on Sky Sports News today, saying that "When Robert Pires dived against Portsmouth, and was awarded a penalty for cheating, the Arsenal management and supporters were not complaining then, because the shoe was on the other foot, they hate it being done to them."
 
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next OT game, remember fellas.. order the soup. even the goons craved for it after game. must be deliciousssss. ask fergie
 
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Quick question.....Can anyone ever remember the 'wipes ever being beaten by a better side ?........They should learn how to play in front of an atmosphere
 
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Arsenal fans are understandably upset with the way the game went, and they have had the odd debateable decision go their way. The simple fact is Man Utd got a number of debateable decisions on Sunday which could easily have given the game to Arsenal, and they have every right to be upset.
 
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ninjabreakz said:
Jeff Winter made some good points on Sky Sports News today, saying that "When Robert Pires dived against Portsmouth, and was awarded a penalty for cheating, the Arsenal management and supporters were not complaining then, because the shoe was on the other foot, they hate it being done to them."
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I agree with this to an extent, but i think the biggest bug bear in this kind of situation is that people like Wenger ask for consistency from referee's and then dont give it when commentating on their own players. Dont get me wrong i can understand why Wenger wouldnt want to openly criticise Pires in that situation, but you cant have it both ways.
 
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yeah, i really agree with that, if u got that and u didn't complain about it (of course u won't), then when it comes back on to you, you should shut up about it!!! Thus, i agree with FA in summoning Wenger about his comments, and with the Ruud tackle. I didn't see the tackle, and i really do want to, but from what i see from many different sources, it was a dangerous tackle, thus, FA charge...

but if it's only a 3 game match ban, i'm sure we can live with it...Smith and Rooney up front!!!
 
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ClassicD said:
Arsenal fans are understandably upset with the way the game went, and they have had the odd debateable decision go their way. The simple fact is Man Utd got a number of debateable decisions on Sunday which could easily have given the game to Arsenal, and they have every right to be upset.
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A number? ONE CLASSIC, ONE.
Are you saying not one call went against united? What about when Ashley Cole kicked Ronaldos feet from under him, that wasnt a card? The rio/lungberg call has not been debated like you have made it out to be, so I dont see where you get a number of calls, NOT TO MENTION THE GAME COULD HAVE BEEN 3-0 if Riley had called the cole penalty on ronaldo, which you in your infinite wisdom, have claimend would never have happend, since you see into the future...... No one knows what could have happend if riley does not call the penalty,
WHAT WE DO KNOW, United scored another goal, and riley blew another call in the box, that is fact, and there is no conjecutre there. Calls were blown both ways. Arsenal had nothing on offense the whole game, United werent very probing either, although Ronaldo did create a couple of chances, that Aresnal did not have... all in all, Uniteds defense looked much more solid then Aresnal's. Throw out the two bad calls, and what do you have, 1-0 to United. Forget the guessing, forget the what ifs, they scored a legite goal, and that proved to be the nail on the coffin. All these calls go both ways, so what comes around goes around, Im sure in the future United will lose in the same way and the same posts will be going on...
 
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Seriously, theres a phenomenom in the US called "Monday Morning Quarterbacks" which refers to people analysing American Football, which takes place on Sunday, on well, you get the idea. And generally no one likes these monday morningers.

Football is a tough game. People kick, cheat, pull, tug, spit, sometimes even punch, but thats football, always has been, always will be. So some decisions went wrong, as a FIFA referee and friend of mine once said, "Football players always blame the ref after the match, they never blame their own blatant misses, botched passes, failed touches. Why? Because they can't bear to blame themselves."

Was it a dive? Most likely. Was Ljundgerg fouled? Maybe. Were both teams dirty? Yes. Did both teams take out players every time they got a chance? Yes. But you know what? If Arsenal had played like they usually do, taken 10 shots on goal, performed speedy, skilled counterattacks, Henry had been his usual impressive self, then they would have won. Bottom line. But they didn't play well. So its bulls&*^ to come on these forums, or even worse, like Mr. Reyes, go to the press, and try to sell the public that they really deserved to win. If they had deserved to win, or even drawn, then they would have.

And btw, Mr. Reyes, whom I used to have respect for, if this is really the first time you've woken up bruised and sore the next day, what does that say about YOU, not about your opponents.
 
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beachryan said:
Seriously, theres a phenomenom in the US called "Monday Morning Quarterbacks" which refers to people analysing American Football, which takes place on Sunday, on well, you get the idea. And generally no one likes these monday morningers.

Football is a tough game. People kick, cheat, pull, tug, spit, sometimes even punch, but thats football, always has been, always will be. So some decisions went wrong, as a FIFA referee and friend of mine once said, "Football players always blame the ref after the match, they never blame their own blatant misses, botched passes, failed touches. Why? Because they can't bear to blame themselves."

Was it a dive? Most likely. Was Ljundgerg fouled? Maybe. Were both teams dirty? Yes. Did both teams take out players every time they got a chance? Yes. But you know what? If Arsenal had played like they usually do, taken 10 shots on goal, performed speedy, skilled counterattacks, Henry had been his usual impressive self, then they would have won. Bottom line. But they didn't play well. So its bulls&*^ to come on these forums, or even worse, like Mr. Reyes, go to the press, and try to sell the public that they really deserved to win. If they had deserved to win, or even drawn, then they would have.

And btw, Mr. Reyes, whom I used to have respect for, if this is really the first time you've woken up bruised and sore the next day, what does that say about YOU, not about your opponents.
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exaclty..... Reyes sounds like a pussy
 
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I personally don't have a problem with the penalty because Cole's challenge on Ronaldo should have been a spot-kick so it evened itself out. I do, however, have a big problem with the way Rooney's dive is being portrayed by the media. When Pires dived last year against Portsmouth, they hung ol Johnny Foreigner out to dry, with his disgusting cheating and silly beard that no chest-thumping Englishman would even consider imitating. Yet as soon as an Englishman does cheat to win a penalty, not nearly as much fuss is made.

As far as Mike Riley's decisions go, I've already mentioned the penalties. The Ferdinand-Ljungberg one was debatable but I personally think Rio should have walked. That of course woul have changed the whole complexion of the match, especially considering Ferdinand was probably the best player on the pitch. Van Nistelrooy should have been sent off for sure - what the linesman was looking at I have no idea. United could and probably should have been down to nine men (possibly eight). I think that, more so than the penalty, is why Arsenal should feel aggrieved.
 
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Ruud`s tackle on Cole was a silly one, he will be the first to admit it. He has a 3-game suspension now, so he`ll take his punishment, and hopefully return fired up, ready to bang in the goals.
 
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csaunders said:
A number? ONE CLASSIC, ONE.
Are you saying not one call went against united? What about when Ashley Cole kicked Ronaldos feet from under him, that wasnt a card? The rio/lungberg call has not been debated like you have made it out to be, so I dont see where you get a number of calls, NOT TO MENTION THE GAME COULD HAVE BEEN 3-0 if Riley had called the cole penalty on ronaldo, which you in your infinite wisdom, have claimend would never have happend, since you see into the future...... No one knows what could have happend if riley does not call the penalty,
WHAT WE DO KNOW, United scored another goal, and riley blew another call in the box, that is fact, and there is no conjecutre there. Calls were blown both ways. Arsenal had nothing on offense the whole game, United werent very probing either, although Ronaldo did create a couple of chances, that Aresnal did not have... all in all, Uniteds defense looked much more solid then Aresnal's. Throw out the two bad calls, and what do you have, 1-0 to United. Forget the guessing, forget the what ifs, they scored a legite goal, and that proved to be the nail on the coffin. All these calls go both ways, so what comes around goes around, Im sure in the future United will lose in the same way and the same posts will be going on...
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The only 'serious' foul I remember Cole doing on Ronaldo was the PK that wasn't given, if he doesn't give the foul he can't book the player can he? You're saying the Rio/Ljungberg call wasn't an important one, or that it's not been debated? I don't know how much coverage you get in the US but it was hotly debated here for sure.

Arsenal had as much offense as Man Utd, which wasn't much. There was only 1 half-decent chance for each team before the penalty, those being Giggs for Man Utd and Henry for Arsenal, both were blocked/saved. IMO, the teams were even.

You're still persisting with ignoring the fact Arsenal had about 2 players in defense when Man Utd scored their second, due to the fact they were 1-0 down at the time to a penalty which should not have been given. You want to pretend that Man Utd would have had that space had it been 0-0 that's up to you, but it's not the case and I think you know that.

The calls were:

1) Ferdinand could easily have been sent off (and should have been, IMO).
2) Had the referee seen RvN's 'tackle' on Ashley Cole he could have been sent off.
3) Had Gary Neville been booked for his first tackle from behind on Reyes, the booking he got minutes later would have therefore been a red as it would have been his second (but that's going by your earlier logic ;) ).
4) The dive.

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1) The PK that wasn't given for the foul on Ronaldo.


P.S. I can't see into the future, but I can see a reply coming! :mrgreen:
 
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Here is what Ruud said about the Cole challenge, then he cooments about the penalty:
"We both just went for the ball," insisted van Nistelrooy to the Sun.

"It was a 50-50 ball and in these situations two players can collide."

Van Nistelrooy scored the crucial opener from the penalty spot, but even this was controversial with Wayne Rooney accused of diving to earn the spot-kick.

"At first sight I thought it was a penalty," added van Nistelrooy.

"I can understand why the referee gave it because of the angle he was looking from.

"But afterwards, when I saw it on television, I had doubts.

"As soon as the penalty was awarded I grabbed the ball and stood over the penalty spot and tried to gather my thoughts.

"[Thierry] Henry and [Jens] Lehmann were trying to put me off but I focused on what I had to do.

"This was the moment I had to score and not for a split second could I allow myself to think about my miss in this fixture last season."

 
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Ruud van Nistelrooy has accepted a charge of serious foul play following his challenge on Ashley Cole during Manchester United's victory over Arsenal.

The Dutch marksman caught Cole on the knee with a nasty-looking tackle during United's stormy 2-0 success at Old Trafford on Sunday.

Referee Mike Riley took no action during the game but The Football Association charged van Nistelrooy with misconduct on Monday after reviewing video evidence.

Van Nistelrooy had until Tuesday to plead guilty or protest his innocence but he has now decided to accept his punishment.

An FA panel will meet on Thursday to discuss the incident but van Nistelrooy is expecting to be served with a three-match suspension.

"Ruud van Nistelrooy has decided to accept The FA's charge of misconduct relating to the incident with Ashley Cole," said a Manchester United statement.

"Ruud has accepted the automatic penalty of a three-match suspension and Manchester United fully supports Ruud's decision."

The striker, who scored a disputed penalty in Sunday's success, remains adamant that he did not deliberately attempt to injure Cole with his challenge.

"Throughout my 10-year career I believe my disciplinary record is very good, not only for Manchester United but at all my previous clubs," he said.

"I accept the charge brought by The FA and I take full responsibility for this incident.

"However, there was no deliberate intent to harm Ashley Cole and I would like to take this opportunity to apologise to him."

If van Nistelrooy is landed with a three-game ban, he will miss the trips to Portsmouth this Saturday and to Newcastle United next month, with the derby against Manchester City at Old Trafford sandwiched in between, although it could depend on the club's progress in the Carling Cup.
 
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ClassicD said:
The only 'serious' foul I remember Cole doing on Ronaldo was the PK that wasn't given, if he doesn't give the foul he can't book the player can he? You're saying the Rio/Ljungberg call wasn't an important one, or that it's not been debated? I don't know how much coverage you get in the US but it was hotly debated here for sure.

Arsenal had as much offense as Man Utd, which wasn't much. There was only 1 half-decent chance for each team before the penalty, those being Giggs for Man Utd and Henry for Arsenal, both were blocked/saved. IMO, the teams were even.

You're still persisting with ignoring the fact Arsenal had about 2 players in defense when Man Utd scored their second, due to the fact they were 1-0 down at the time to a penalty which should not have been given. You want to pretend that Man Utd would have had that space had it been 0-0 that's up to you, but it's not the case and I think you know that.

The calls were:

1) Ferdinand could easily have been sent off (and should have been, IMO).
2) Had the referee seen RvN's 'tackle' on Ashley Cole he could have been sent off.
3) Had Gary Neville been booked for his first tackle from behind on Reyes, the booking he got minutes later would have therefore been a red as it would have been his second (but that's going by your earlier logic ;) ).
4) The dive.

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1) The PK that wasn't given for the foul on Ronaldo.


P.S. I can't see into the future, but I can see a reply coming! :mrgreen:
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your forgetting the tackles arsenal made, your acting as if arsenal did not make any rash challenges, as they surely did, Cole KICKED Ronaldos feet out from under him, after ronaldo flew by him, no card was given, then Cole deliberatley fouled Ronaldo in the box, no card was given, should have been two cards and one ejection for cole..... as i said, the game went both ways, calls were made, not made, both ways, it all evevend out in the end, arsenal should only be pissed that henry was shit the whole game as he is against any worthwhile opponent..... Watch the game again if you want
 
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Anyway, lets move on to footballing matters. Away at Crewe in the Carling Cup tonight, and we are fielding a strong "reserve" team:




1.Howard, Tim 6.Brown, Wes 22.O`Shea, John 17.Miller, Liam 23.Richardson, Kieran 12.Bellion, David 15.Kleberson 19.Djemba-Djemba, Eric 24.Fletcher, Darren 14.Smith, Alan 9.Saha, Louis Substitutes 29.Spector, Jonathan 33.Eagles, Chris 35.Ricardo 40.Ebanks-Blake, Sylvain 28.Pique, Gerard
 
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To be honest all this waffle about this Rio/ljunberg thing is getting redundant, top officials have come out and give their PROFESSIONAL view, Riley is a top FIFA ref, Hackett who was one of the best in his day has said the same, as does Elleray (sp)

Another proffessional gives his view.

Winter:

“I have refereed this fixture in the past and it is one of those that fills you with anticipation.

“But they are becoming almost impossible to referee. You inevitably find yourself second-guessing yourself — and you are going to get slaughtered by one manager whatever happens.

“Take the incident when Rio Ferdinand ran into Freddie Ljungberg and some people said he should have been sent off.

“I found myself wondering whether Ljungberg might have cut across Ferdinand to invite the contact. That probably went through Mike Riley’s mind too.

“Referees have to react instantly and there is more focus than ever on their decisions. But six hours after the match the Sky TV experts still couldn’t agree whether Sol Campbell’s tackle on Wayne Rooney should have been a penalty.

“Even ‘God Almighty himself’ Andy Gray said straight away it was a penalty, which was the same snap judgment Mike Riley delivered.

“But you still get Arsene Wenger questioning Mike’s honesty and integrity. It’s the terrible double standards that annoy me most. When Arsenal conned the referee to get a penalty and draw 1-1 with Portsmouth to keep their unbeaten run going, Mr Wenger did not have any complaints then.

“He probably trotted out his favourite get-out — he didn’t see the incident.

“Managers and players sit there with smug, self-satisfied smiles when decisions go their way and then have the nerve to scream blue murder if it goes against them.

“OK, officials are not infallible and Mike was unfortunate to be unsighted when Van Nistelrooy kicked Cole.

“We all make mistakes. It wasn’t so long ago the England captain belted a penalty into row Z in Portugal. But no one suggested it was deliberate.

“To suggest Mike favours United is an affront to an honest, respected official.

“Yes, the statistics show he has given United a lot of penalties. But like Arsenal, they do spend about 90 per cent of their home matches on the attack.

“All the fuss after the game has obscured the fact Mike wasn’t the villain of this affair. It was Van Nistelrooy — and anyone else who cannot look at himself in a mirror and say he did not try to cheat or con the referee.”


I agree with his points about Ruud, I called that straight away as a dirty tackle, people sat around thought that it had just been a body check but I could just tell, he deserves his ban, which is his first sort of suspension since his arrival at United.

His point on Rio was spot on, yeah you lot in ya armchairs have all these opinions but in the middle of it (and without some of your blatant bias) I reckon you'd make the same mistakes.
 
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