solidity is by possession it is not like not easy to keep the ball between 2 CBs and goalkeeper then we can call it solidity but our problem is loosing the ball or not scoring or taking goals by weird faults this united like this can loose "5 cb vs 3 opponent FW players" situation so it is not normal. That's why transition for example is bad and lot of other things ....
that's the thing. Ten Hag had one year already in the club before summer transfer windows opens, he should know that he can't rely on Antony and 90% of the time injured Martial. yeah good old 442 was not used long time but that system was perfected by Fergie and was working like Guardiola's today system. he brings only the players he want. our problem is system/marketing issue. remember when we spoke above about same profile of players, Antony for example is player who work good in Ten Hag's phylosophy but it is not good enough for Premier League. that's why I mentioned that there are not same profile of players, imagine instead of Antony we had Bernardo Silva. I guess we finally understand each other
Okay mate i will put you at my place, here is my vision here as a football follower
first of all, everything you write is spot on! the issue with today's football is that football is more physical and less technical like the era you spoke above (I enjoyed that era much more than today's). In the past I guess all of the strikers no matter if they played ST, CF or even SS can easily answer to request of the manager today becouse like I said they were more technical players and had better football knowing than today players who are more physical and can only respond to one position (most of them) becouse the systems that are played today doesn't allow them to roam like before.
You are right but that time term of L/R WF existed only after 2003/2004 so let's say physically not technically Dalot can be RWF but Sané for example or Rashford can't be LB so this is half wrong or half right case i don't want to make it philosophy like you too and it is the best thing ... now let's get back to WF he is not SS he is not ST but he is a forward player cause he is not midfielder here right ? so Roaming is necessary and went deeper into the box other things even this thing are technics to make you unpredictable and being fast to take the right decision is the best thing you now why ? because you meant to do the unexpected not the unpredicted thing and that's it.first of all, everything you write is spot on! the issue with today's football is that football is more physical and less technical like the era you spoke above (I enjoyed that era much more than today's). In the past I guess all of the strikers no matter if they played ST, CF or even SS can easily answer to request of the manager today becouse like I said they were more technical players and had better football knowing than today players who are more physical and can only respond to one position (most of them) becouse the systems that are played today doesn't allow them to roam like before.
p.s. I don't want to get this conversation into philosophy but it was good exchange of different views
I don't want to poison this thread with Barcelona stuff becouse we have bad memories from them
to answer the question, La Masia is prepairing the players from kids for a position they play today. Xavi, Iniesta, Messi, Busquets... now Gavi, Ferran Torres and all players known from their academy can play only that position but they perfecting them doesn't mean they are best in the world at that position, they just click in the style Barselona play. other academies have sifferent philosophy but none of them made players that are all rounders like in the past. football is changing constantly and to be back at the point when we started this conversation, we at UTD lack quality for the system we want to play, players are not capable to perform on the pitch what manager is asking them, that's why this fall is happening to us. those are players which Ten Hag requested.
Okay so fast then, let's take Depay he is Halilovic its the same thing Kaka too and that Barca it meant to be for La Liga not even for winning CL even their president could tell that they want the local dominationI don't want to poison this thread with Barcelona stuff becouse we have bad memories from them
winning 2-0 will be bad let them score no problem but we need to score more and gain trust i will say 4-1 for united can happen if they deserve the red shirt ofc
I’m more inclined to think it’s going to be 1-4 in Brentford’s favour but let’s hope you’re correct. Any win is acceptable under the current circumstances
Casemiro fail
I was thinking while watching the game and from the players we have at the moment I will made one experiment which I think will work at least in attack so we can score more goals. For me Antony is useless on the right side, he is fast and explosive, he is good one on one but when he should complete all the stuff on the side and cross he screws all the time. I will play him in the middle just behind Hojlund so he can have that little space when he can do his magic and maybe score, but on this position he will open huge space for Hojlund.
Something like this then?
more like this, so Garnacho will be overlaped by Dalot and on right side we will not be doing overlaps becouse Lindelof can't do that stuff but Pelistri will be more agressive on that side.
Yeh that would work. I’d put Garnacho wider though. It’s a bit narrow.
I put him narrower becouse on that side Dalot can push forward and they can overlap and cause more trouble. On the other side Pelistri is alone but that side is stronger on defence becouse CB is playing at the RB and he doesn't push forward as Dalot.
Garnacho is at his best when cutting inside, as in Antony. They would end up grouped in the middle unless Antony goes wide but that defeats the purpose of where you want to play him. Only my opinion of course.
that's the idea with Garnacho. that way 3/4 players will always be behind opponent goal which is ok. other players will stay back so they can soak counter attacks.
Ok I see.
yeah I know. also I think this is right time for Donny van De Beek to get a proper chance after misery he lives since he came.
Well if the so called “first team” doesn’t perform then Ten Hag should try everyone he can until he finds the right balance.
and now for united its clear they are weak with triangles fast passing and every player play like the whole team lean on him only for let the opponent player with him so we will never see i think at least that player that search for a space and ask for ball to do a key pass that can turn into assist for a goal.
Possession football is:
Sheikh Jassim offered higher than the clubs worth. The glazers clearly never wanted to loose the club. It was a ploy for investment. How sad 😞
