Manchester United Thread

[PES4eva]

They were all happy last year. Watch casemiro next few games...Trust me. Not his fault. We arent playing him the right way.

We can agree to disagree about Casemiro. Like I said, he doesn’t give the ball away more than the next guy. They’re all guilty of that. I do watch him, he’s my favourite player and has also been our best player so far this season. Not just because he’s our top scorer (which is a shockingly bad thing since he’s out scoring our “goal scorers” which kind of says it all about our forward players though I do hold out a lot of hope in Hojlind) but because his all around game outshines everyone else on the field and his passion and desire to win cannot be questioned.

 

[PES4eva]

Decided to show what I think Ten Hag should play for “October”. He’s never going to play 2 up front so it’s a 433 sigh. Anyway firstly I’d drop Rashford because he’s shouldn’t keep getting rewarded by getting games for playing poorly. I’d immediately put Diallo into the team as he’s back in October as is Reguilon. Bit of a gamble here but Maguire probably deserves a shot purely because he hasn’t made any glaring errors recently, plus it’s either that or a mediocre swede.

 

[MFZ69]

he need to find the best 11 in the upcoming 2 matches + gain trust by winning the CL match then be ready for the derby...
Otherwise there is lot of things that can help like why he don't try Garnecho as LWB in 3/5/2 Formation cause we need to score that's it and Casemiro need someone in front of him but okay there is that thing between him and Amrabat so why 4 DCs then ? 2 strikers and Garnecho like what i told will suit the goals of united
Today's game nothing to do with what i'm talking about

 

[TheWolf]

Onana really is the worst keeper I’ve seen at United in decades. If it’s on target, even if it’s slow, it’s likely in. We got rid of De Gea and spent tens of millions on utter shite. Let’s play ‘spot the difference’…

 

[Bellydancer22]

Get out onana and ten haag
Its big blame men…

 

[PES4eva]

Onana really is the worst keeper I’ve seen at United in decades. If it’s on target, even if it’s slow, it’s likely in. We got rid of De Gea and spent tens of millions on utter shite. Let’s play ‘spot the difference’…

Well yeah he’s a De Gea Wanabe. What’s hilarious to me is that we specifically bought him for his distribution which in this game was obviously shocking and led to 1. Casemiro being forced to bring the attacker down or it was a certain goal and 2. Not only costing the team… again but now he’s actually detrimental to players around him. Casemiro will now serve a ban purely because of Onanas bad goalkeeping.
I will also say lidelof and Varane were equally as bad today.
I thought in attack we looked promising but that’s no good if you immediately give away a goal every time you score. Not happy

 

[Dlwest]

Rashford needs to stay in the bench for 5 matches for passing that ball.
onana should remain in africa after african cup of nations.we do not want him anymore. bring back de gea.
eriksen should only play cup games.
mount should play with the reserves. he is shit.
lindelof and varane needs replacing.
WE ARE DOOMED. WE ARE NOT EVEN MAKING EUROPA. WE WILL LOSE TO NEWCASTLE AND WE WONT EVEN QUALIFY FOR CONFERENCE.
AFTER THAT
ERIK TEN NEEDS TO GO.

 

[darkoj2007]

I like the principles of work of Ten Hag but this decisions on transfers past summer were on him. Onana was never world class goalkeeper nor will ever be. Mount is lost in space, he doesn't know his role and what he is doing on the pitch. Amrabat is not playing on his position and can't be judged but those mistakes are too big for him to continue to play on that role. Williams was good LB but they decided not to give him a chance and kept Luke Shaw, for me one of the weakest links in our squad with Dalot, Maguire, Lindelof and Antony.
The worst thing is that we were in big trouble and there should definately need to make a cut to end this downroad fall. I am afraid our whole infrastructure is spoiled from Glazers down to the squad.
P.S. I hope Ten Hag kept his principles and after Old Trafford was empty the players had another hard training session late in the night...

 

[MFZ69]

Here is a chemistry one that make the players do their jobs as special things not make from normal players special ones

 

[darkoj2007]

Here is a chemistry one that make the players do their jobs as special things not make from normal players special ones

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with all respect mate, but how do you expect this team not concede minimum 4-5 goals every match? do you really think Garnacho can come back and defend, same applies to Dalot. they are not players that can cover 100 metres in defence in offence. even Evra and Valencia (who are best LB and RB we ever had) can't answer to that objective. but that's not the real problem here, problem is the midfielders you pick to cover them, Mount and Bruno should come to defence but they are very weak while we defend. to play this formation we need three really strong CB's and at least one DM, read Licha, Varane and someone new CB which we miss the chance to buy this summer. Casemiro can fit perfectly in DM, but then the issues come with injuries and our squad depth.
don't want to write long posts and look "smart" but it's not that easy to fix the issues we have now which are bigger than last year if you ask me.

 

[MFZ69]

Here is a chemistry one that make the players do their jobs as special things not make from normal players special ones

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This is a goal chance

 

[MFZ69]

with all respect mate, but how do you expect this team not concede minimum 4-5 goals every match? do you really think Garnacho can come back and defend, same applies to Dalot. they are not players that can cover 100 metres in defence in offence. even Evra and Valencia (who are best LB and RB we ever had) can't answer to that objective. but that's not the real problem here, problem is the midfielders you pick to cover them, Mount and Bruno should come to defence but they are very weak while we defend. to play this formation we need three really strong CB's and at least one DM, read Licha, Varane and someone new CB which we miss the chance to buy this summer. Casemiro can fit perfectly in DM, but then the issues come with injuries and our squad depth.
don't want to write long posts and look "smart" but it's not that easy to fix the issues we have now which are bigger than last year if you ask me.

its easy because there is potential that appeared through problems and its the defenders and midfield most of our conceded goals are because forward players and Bruno for example is an offensive midfielders not like mount who can play a Rakitic or a Fred for example role and about Garnecho he will be offensive defender and he will be the Saviour all the time on that side to rebuild the attack or to let Man utd get rid of long pass to goalkeeper and not because he is the main role as that he is the LINKER it means you mark him or not it is useless when he is doing the simple job

EDIT : here is why lot of big teams fall or never get healed


the first goal is a counter attack one when it can be easily a possession goal and whenever united try to do that it fails .

 

[darkoj2007]

its easy because there is potential that appeared through problems and its the defenders and midfield most of our conceded goals are because forward players and Bruno for example is an offensive midfielders not like mount who can play a Rakitic or a Fred for example role and about Garnecho he will be offensive defender and he will be the Saviour all the time on that side to rebuild the attack or to let Man utd get rid of long pass to goalkeeper and not because he is the main role as that he is the LINKER it means you mark him or not it is useless when he is doing the simple job

EDIT : here is why lot of big teams fall or never get healed


the first goal is a counter attack one when it can be easily a possession goal and whenever united try to do that it fails .

just one thing, you mention Rakitic and compare it to Mount. if Mount can play one game like Rakitic belive me he will cost like Bellingham but it's not and will never be! and how the hell can Garnacho be offensive defender when he doesn't have a clue how to defend? please...
like I said it's easy to make a formation on some site and have the ideas in mind but in reality that is much deeper and doesn't function like that. managers come and go since Sir Alex Ferguson and you think none of them know and have knowledge we have here? if it was that easy all would be different.

 

[Hayes]

If bruno is smart, he should leave as fast as he can, idk maybe to RM/FCB or Bayern or City.

Learn from de gea's mistake for staying after bloods & sweat then at the end of his stint they treated him like trash

 

[MFZ69]

just one thing, you mention Rakitic and compare it to Mount. if Mount can play one game like Rakitic belive me he will cost like Bellingham but it's not and will never be! and how the hell can Garnacho be offensive defender when he doesn't have a clue how to defend? please...
like I said it's easy to make a formation on some site and have the ideas in mind but in reality that is much deeper and doesn't function like that. managers come and go since Sir Alex Ferguson and you think none of them know and have knowledge we have here? if it was that easy all would be different.

Okay now i will consider it as a talking thing, that Rakitic was for you, if you still look at football as positions it is very bad for a fan of a club because whenever the problem will be you will ask for a change and your maximum limit of thinking is your minimum it means a mercato thing .
What i gave there is the fast solutions to adapt and solve the problems because first you need to aware of the problem then keep playing until you come up with solutions then trying solutions until you reach the perfect results i broke all of this because i understand not so fast as the needs for each part of this big problem .
So, get rid of this "blaming always person" attitude, it is what here ? manager one time next time player next time players next time the field next time the chair next time the bus ......
so automatically you will never look to players let's say mount as a possibility of modric for example
Positions are profiles it means playing style with individual thing of that player in that position.
Finally, do you know that most side backs are weak with defending i mean they are conservative just hold and let another one cut the ball or tackling at some decisions not their main thing .
All of these things worth a watching time of an interested person on his favorite club And please if you want to talk read all of that and answer depends on my talk not like easy to do tactics don't throw your "don't want to write long posts and look "smart"" on me .

 

[MFZ69]

If bruno is smart, he should leave as fast as he can, idk maybe to RM/FCB or Bayern or City.

Learn from de gea's mistake for staying after bloods & sweat then at the end of his stint they treated him like trash

Maybe Barca but others will never be interested maybe Everton if it will be PL

 

[MFZ69]

Okay now i will consider it as a talking thing, that Rakitic was for you, if you still look at football as positions it is very bad for a fan of a club because whenever the problem will be you will ask for a change and your maximum limit of thinking is your minimum it means a mercato thing .
What i gave there is the fast solutions to adapt and solve the problems because first you need to aware of the problem then keep playing until you come up with solutions then trying solutions until you reach the perfect results i broke all of this because i understand not so fast as the needs for each part of this big problem .
So, get rid of this "blaming always person" attitude, it is what here ? manager one time next time player next time players next time the field next time the chair next time the bus ......
so automatically you will never look to players let's say mount as a possibility of modric for example
Positions are profiles it means playing style with individual thing of that player in that position.
Finally, do you know that most side backs are weak with defending i mean they are conservative just hold and let another one cut the ball or tackling at some decisions not their main thing .
All of these things worth a watching time of an interested person on his favorite club And please if you want to talk read all of that and answer depends on my talk not like easy to do tactics don't throw your "don't want to write long posts and look "smart"" on me .

I had these problems when i talked about Real Madrid and told them that Benzema is a Van Nistelrooij profile player .
I took shots from fake fans that say no and fake boomers telling me as their president he is like Da Lima or Henry

 

[darkoj2007]

If bruno is smart, he should leave as fast as he can, idk maybe to RM/FCB or Bayern or City.

Learn from de gea's mistake for staying after bloods & sweat then at the end of his stint they treated him like trash

that is what bothering me. we were club with great club culture and respect but when I look back around 10 years ago and sacking of Louis van Gaal, Mourinho and releasing some players on not appropriate way I have bad feeling about where we go.

 

[darkoj2007]

Okay now i will consider it as a talking thing, that Rakitic was for you, if you still look at football as positions it is very bad for a fan of a club because whenever the problem will be you will ask for a change and your maximum limit of thinking is your minimum it means a mercato thing .
What i gave there is the fast solutions to adapt and solve the problems because first you need to aware of the problem then keep playing until you come up with solutions then trying solutions until you reach the perfect results i broke all of this because i understand not so fast as the needs for each part of this big problem .
So, get rid of this "blaming always person" attitude, it is what here ? manager one time next time player next time players next time the field next time the chair next time the bus ......
so automatically you will never look to players let's say mount as a possibility of modric for example
Positions are profiles it means playing style with individual thing of that player in that position.
Finally, do you know that most side backs are weak with defending i mean they are conservative just hold and let another one cut the ball or tackling at some decisions not their main thing .
All of these things worth a watching time of an interested person on his favorite club And please if you want to talk read all of that and answer depends on my talk not like easy to do tactics don't throw your "don't want to write long posts and look "smart"" on me .

I really don't want to go this way as you talk becouse I like and respect all utd fans no matter if my opinion is different than theirs. I will not go down to level you speak but when you mention mention world class players they are all unique that's why clubs pay big money to bring them, there is no same profile of players. and yeah football evolved so wingbacks are not that good at defending but their work on defence is vital becouse most of the clubs today play with three players at front.

 

[MFZ69]

I really don't want to go this way as you talk becouse I like and respect all utd fans no matter if my opinion is different than theirs. I will not go down to level you speak but when you mention mention world class players they are all unique that's why clubs pay big money to bring them, there is no same profile of players. and yeah football evolved so wingbacks are not that good at defending but their work on defence is vital becouse most of the clubs today play with three players at front.

Okay, don't forget that 2 strikers was not used past 10 years and now many managers are making it back

 

[MFZ69]

I really don't want to go this way as you talk becouse I like and respect all utd fans no matter if my opinion is different than theirs. I will not go down to level you speak but when you mention mention world class players they are all unique that's why clubs pay big money to bring them, there is no same profile of players. and yeah football evolved so wingbacks are not that good at defending but their work on defence is vital becouse most of the clubs today play with three players at front.

Also can you think why Ten is not like in Ajax ? is it different players ? is it Ajax yes big team but small league ? is it what ?

 

[darkoj2007]

Okay, don't forget that 2 strikers was not used past 10 years and now many managers are making it back

that's the thing. Ten Hag had one year already in the club before summer transfer windows opens, he should know that he can't rely on Antony and 90% of the time injured Martial. yeah good old 442 was not used long time but that system was perfected by Fergie and was working like Guardiola's today system. he brings only the players he want. our problem is system/marketing issue. remember when we spoke above about same profile of players, Antony for example is player who work good in Ten Hag's phylosophy but it is not good enough for Premier League. that's why I mentioned that there are not same profile of players, imagine instead of Antony we had Bernardo Silva. I guess we finally understand each other

 

[MFZ69]

that's the thing. Ten Hag had one year already in the club before summer transfer windows opens, he should know that he can't rely on Antony and 90% of the time injured Martial. yeah good old 442 was not used long time but that system was perfected by Fergie and was working like Guardiola's today system. he brings only the players he want. our problem is system/marketing issue. remember when we spoke above about same profile of players, Antony for example is player who work good in Ten Hag's phylosophy but it is not good enough for Premier League. that's why I mentioned that there are not same profile of players, imagine instead of Antony we had Bernardo Silva. I guess we finally understand each other

the needs of the position itself is what make the profile of player let's say a CM with weak defensive skills or a ST that not so fast all of these could kill many talented persons but their focus on other things that let them exist it is not always the coach choice to give them the chance. Any player should know himself this what i'm talking about as profile so it is not the player skills it is like in where he can perform the best and the more the player perform the best he will be opened for other things to do or to improve so automatically it is a level thing so let's put mount at "fast short passing situations with possibility of some long ones" its like he can build so we will see things like that Modric did at Madrid if not it will be the same and he need to work more on accuracy and instinct decisions like turning with ball or moving forward with ball to break the opponent 10 man defending ....

 

[PES4eva]

@MFZ69 i have to agree with @darkoj2007 the formation is unrealistic and Garnacho playing as a left wing back is a complete waste of his ability and also he’s not defensive minded. He can track back and help but he can’t play as a left wing back. You’d be better off playing Reguilon there who can defend and can go forward when needed. Apart from this we don’t have the quality to play 3 at the back. We would get destroyed.

 

[MFZ69]

@MFZ69 i have to agree with @darkoj2007 the formation is unrealistic and Garnacho playing as a left wing back is a complete waste of his ability and also he’s not defensive minded. He can track back and help but he can’t play as a left wing back. You’d be better off playing Reguilon there who can defend and can go forward when needed. Apart from this we don’t have the quality to play 3 at the back. We would get destroyed.

it is not realistic that's united a little bit sometimes after 4-3-3 or 4-4-2 and that's it i think United has lack of discipline and egoistic acts that get destroyed United the masters of counter attack get destroyed all the time by counter attack.
It means yeah football here the chance we are equal the 50-50 like we can score they can score ....

How a motivation turn to an illusion ? well that's when you break history things in your field

 

[Badger Mushroom]

it is not realistic that's united a little bit sometimes after 4-3-3 or 4-4-2 and that's it i think United has lack of discipline and egoistic acts that get destroyed United the masters of counter attack get destroyed all the time by counter attack.
It means yeah football here the chance we are equal the 50-50 like we can score they can score ....

How a motivation turn to an illusion ? well that's when you break history things in your field

Playing a back 3 with 2 defenders and a DM out of position is pretty unrealistic to me. Last night against Galatasaray they played a back 4 with the same DM played at left back and got tore apart. They need some defensive solidity otherwise any team would just sit back and smash them on the counter

 

[MFZ69]

Playing a back 3 with 2 defenders and a DM out of position is pretty unrealistic to me. Last night against Galatasaray they played a back 4 with the same DM played at left back and got tore apart. They need some defensive solidity otherwise any team would just sit back and smash them on the counter

solidity is by possession it is not like not easy to keep the ball between 2 CBs and goalkeeper then we can call it solidity but our problem is loosing the ball or not scoring or taking goals by weird faults this united like this can loose "5 cb vs 3 opponent FW players" situation so it is not normal. That's why transition for example is bad and lot of other things ....

 

[MFZ69]

that's the thing. Ten Hag had one year already in the club before summer transfer windows opens, he should know that he can't rely on Antony and 90% of the time injured Martial. yeah good old 442 was not used long time but that system was perfected by Fergie and was working like Guardiola's today system. he brings only the players he want. our problem is system/marketing issue. remember when we spoke above about same profile of players, Antony for example is player who work good in Ten Hag's phylosophy but it is not good enough for Premier League. that's why I mentioned that there are not same profile of players, imagine instead of Antony we had Bernardo Silva. I guess we finally understand each other

the needs of the position itself is what make the profile of player let's say a CM with weak defensive skills or a ST that not so fast all of these could kill many talented persons but their focus on other things that let them exist it is not always the coach choice to give them the chance. Any player should know himself this what i'm talking about as profile so it is not the player skills it is like in where he can perform the best and the more the player perform the best he will be opened for other things to do or to improve so automatically it is a level thing so let's put mount at "fast short passing situations with possibility of some long ones" its like he can build so we will see things like that Modric did at Madrid if not it will be the same and he need to work more on accuracy and instinct decisions like turning with ball or moving forward with ball to break the opponent 10 man defending ....

Okay mate i will put you at my place, here is my vision here as a football follower
Position : ST
Job : Scoring goals
Requirements : "Finishing" + "Good positioning and Good reading"
Skills that make the profiles : Quantity and Quality of goals
So here we are talking about both of them let's start with examples :
That time : Ruud van Nistelrooy/Filippo Inzaghi. (Full Strikers)
This time : Karim Benzema/ Zlatan Ibrahimovic
now if Ruud could be right here at this time he will looks more like Zlatan as the requirements above
but he can be Benzema too
So where the skills as "Quality" it means the player himself his tools to perform and adapt to the "Position" and "Job"
This means we have 2 things any person can see about them : Acrobatic Finish (include even a simple one touch goal)/ Long Range goals (compared to how many times they took chance to do it to know the accuaracy between number of tries andgoals)
So after all of this the best is Ruud van Nistelrooy, this time best is Zlatan Ibrahimovic .
Benzema out of list because of tactics things (but he can be the best as special striker), Inzaghi too because most of his goals could be offside but he has the requirements and can represent many strikers nowadays .
Finally, the last thing is the PACE and the 2 best ones here are Ruud van Nistelrooy and Benzema with possibilities of rising ones like Erling Haaland, Darwin etc... Ruud van Nistelrooy is the profile .
BTW you can apply this thing when it comes to Mbappe CF/Depay CF/Rashford CF/Martial CF but who is the profile here ? and for the first ones you can add others like Henry/Batistuta/Berbatov etc ...
So i hope that you right now understand me and maybe like what i told or not

 

[darkoj2007]

Okay mate i will put you at my place, here is my vision here as a football follower
Position : ST
Job : Scoring goals
Requirements : "Finishing" + "Good positioning and Good reading"
Skills that make the profiles : Quantity and Quality of goals
So here we are talking about both of them let's start with examples :
That time : Ruud van Nistelrooy/Filippo Inzaghi. (Full Strikers)
This time : Karim Benzema/ Zlatan Ibrahimovic
now if Ruud could be right here at this time he will looks more like Zlatan as the requirements above
but he can be Benzema too
So where the skills as "Quality" it means the player himself his tools to perform and adapt to the "Position" and "Job"
This means we have 2 things any person can see about them : Acrobatic Finish (include even a simple one touch goal)/ Long Range goals (compared to how many times they took chance to do it to know the accuaracy between number of tries andgoals)
So after all of this the best is Ruud van Nistelrooy, this time best is Zlatan Ibrahimovic .
Benzema out of list because of tactics things (but he can be the best as special striker), Inzaghi too because most of his goals could be offside but he has the requirements and can represent many strikers nowadays .
Finally, the last thing is the PACE and the 2 best ones here are Ruud van Nistelrooy and Benzema with possibilities of rising ones like Erling Haaland, Darwin etc... Ruud van Nistelrooy is the profile .
BTW you can apply this thing when it comes to Mbappe CF/Depay CF/Rashford CF/Martial CF but who is the profile here ? and for the first ones you can add others like Henry/Batistuta/Berbatov etc ...
So i hope that you right now understand me and maybe like what i told or not

first of all, everything you write is spot on! the issue with today's football is that football is more physical and less technical like the era you spoke above (I enjoyed that era much more than today's). In the past I guess all of the strikers no matter if they played ST, CF or even SS can easily answer to request of the manager today becouse like I said they were more technical players and had better football knowing than today players who are more physical and can only respond to one position (most of them) becouse the systems that are played today doesn't allow them to roam like before.
p.s. I don't want to get this conversation into philosophy but it was good exchange of different views

 

[MFZ69]

first of all, everything you write is spot on! the issue with today's football is that football is more physical and less technical like the era you spoke above (I enjoyed that era much more than today's). In the past I guess all of the strikers no matter if they played ST, CF or even SS can easily answer to request of the manager today becouse like I said they were more technical players and had better football knowing than today players who are more physical and can only respond to one position (most of them) becouse the systems that are played today doesn't allow them to roam like before.
p.s. I don't want to get this conversation into philosophy but it was good exchange of different views

You are right but that time term of L/R WF existed only after 2003/2004 so let's say physically not technically Dalot can be RWF but Sané for example or Rashford can't be LB so this is half wrong or half right case i don't want to make it philosophy like you too and it is the best thing ... now let's get back to WF he is not SS he is not ST but he is a forward player cause he is not midfielder here right ? so Roaming is necessary and went deeper into the box other things even this thing are technics to make you unpredictable and being fast to take the right decision is the best thing you now why ? because you meant to do the unexpected not the unpredicted thing and that's it.
Finally, yes me too i know that football is more physical but how these physical players can't perform ? can't evolve ? even the "pro player" mindset is out of its concept and context players think professionally outside the field ... and its not logic right it is like he will implement his phone into the game