Manchester United Thread

I actually think anyone who still believes Moyes is the right man now is just living off false hope, there is no bloody hope.

That man has destroyed what Fergie did in 27 years, he installed fear, that no die attitude with arrogance and attacking football with technical brilliance has all vanished. We just lost to a pretty average team in the UCL, this stage last season we gave Real Madrid a bloody good game of football.

Moyes deserves no more time, the only reason he gets more time is because the man who is bigger than the club instructed to stand by the manager. Sadly I now believe we have stood long enough.
Time for Moyes to go before thinks get worse than this absolute shambles of a fucking season.
 
Ferguson himself destroyed much.
I agree with Godotelli's post about players in decline.

The best example is his solution for the midfield problem. He called Scholes back from retirement. What a long term solution ! United fans are as blind for the mess Ferguson made of his lat years as Liverpool fans refused to see that Dalglish was calamitous for their club.


Cantona to succede Ferguson !
 
Nothing lasts forever.

No team, club, manager etc have a divine right to success.

Maybe it's just time for Manchester United to not be as successful as they have become accustomed to.

Manchester United have had very little competition each year from more than one other team. Blackburn, Arsenal, Chelsea and more recently Manchester City have been United's only real competition domestically each league campaign.

It's refreshing to see a more diverse spread of challengers this year, regardless of United's position or performances.
 
gerd said:
Ferguson himself destroyed much.
I agree with Godotelli's post about players in decline.

The best example is his solution for the midfield problem. He called Scholes back from retirement. What a long term solution ! United fans are as blind for the mess Ferguson made of his lat years as Liverpool fans refused to see that Dalglish was calamitous for their club.


Cantona to succede Ferguson !
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J'sus Gerd, you do go on about Dalgish as if he destroyed Liverpool.

Look at the stats and football in that time, they were poor in the final season with Benitez (6th place finish?), although different circumstances.

Hodgson was very much old school and the team didn't respond to his methods. Very much like Utd now.

Dalglish took over and had Liverpool playing some of the best football they had played for quite some time and got a contract because of that. Him and Commolli wasted a lot of money (about 50-60mil in the end I think) and Liverpool won the CC and reached the final of the FA cup (and an incorrectly dissallowed 85th min goal away from extra time) and finished 7th or 8th in the league.

Rodgers came in and had a poor start (worse than Hodgson at a certain point) but we could see he was trying to create a playing style and since the turn of the last year has had Liverpool mostly playing great football with a 7th place finish last season (but with a top4 form) and hopefully a 4th this season with a top4 form.

Dalglish may have been a poor appointment in the end, but not that bad to paint him with the blame.
 
The Dags might have stardom dust on his boots, but the amount of money spend on players coming 'in' and to sell them 'out' for a pence on every 10 quids . Is like having your teenager run your finances and having Dags driving players around like a clown for the world to see him .I have the opinion he did this to show SAF , you met you match! (SAF spoke like he was interested in Adams , it was throwing bones at Dags)
I bet SAF was chuckling about seeing Dags running w/ a bone .

The less spoken about Dags time at the helm the better. :)
 
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jonnyluvrod said:
Manchester United have had very little competition each year from more than one other team. Blackburn, Arsenal, Chelsea and more recently Manchester City have been United's only real competition domestically each league campaign.

It's refreshing to see a more diverse spread of challengers this year, regardless of United's position or performances.
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There's been numerous occasions where Arsenal were top by this stage, Chelsea were involved in 1999, Newcastle and yourselves were involved in 1997.

The number of "potential Champions" is no different to many seasons in the past by this stage of the season, the only difference is, Utd aren't involved this time round.
 
Have faith. If given time, Moyes will prevail.

I honestly expected worse than this for United this season. Maybe I expected too little, and some of you expected too much but all in all the squad isn't especially strong and Moyes haven't yet big enough balls to scare mediocre players to world class performances like a certain red nosed wine quaffer did often enough.
 
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It's been really interesting listening to a couple podcasts - one in particular that features ex-United player Gordon Hill who still has ties to the club.

The older heads are making it sound like the dressing room is completely broken, and that some senior players are basically on mutiny. It's crazy to think that Fergie was the onyl thing keeping some of them in check.

What's most interesting is that all the older guys seem keen to keep Moyes around, and that he needs to ditch almost a quarter of the current squad before we can start re-building. They almost universally blame Fergie for that too, and have an interesting theory that Ferguson selected 'bland' players towards the end of his career because he lost the nerve of challenging untamed talents like Cantona and Keane. And that's why we have no leaders anymore - he didn't buy leaders, he was the only leader.
 
Some really nice movement in that video, thought at around 1min was especially good. Had 2 players tight on him, a pass back to the defender and a little drop of the shoulder and he was clear and had played those 2 players out of the game.

Would be interesting to see a similar video of Coutinho, from that short video (as I haven't seen much of Kagawa or Utd this season) they seem pretty similar. But watching Liverpool they always seem to be looking to get the ball to him, whereas in that video Utd just passed him by most of the time.
 
beachryan said:
It's been really interesting listening to a couple podcasts - one in particular that features ex-United player Gordon Hill who still has ties to the club.

The older heads are making it sound like the dressing room is completely broken, and that some senior players are basically on mutiny. It's crazy to think that Fergie was the onyl thing keeping some of them in check.

What's most interesting is that all the older guys seem keen to keep Moyes around, and that he needs to ditch almost a quarter of the current squad before we can start re-building. They almost universally blame Fergie for that too, and have an interesting theory that Ferguson selected 'bland' players towards the end of his career because he lost the nerve of challenging untamed talents like Cantona and Keane. And that's why we have no leaders anymore - he didn't buy leaders, he was the only leader.
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That is obvious for a couple of years now.
Ferguson should never have come back from his first retirement (he never really did retire, but you know what i mean).
 
shank118 said:
Shinji Kagawa vs Olympiakos

Came across this video. Really don't know what to say. What do you guys think?
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It hurts seeing this... the lad is so good on and off the ball, yet our useless players like Young/Valencia/Smalling make him look uninvolved by not passing to him.

You can also see why Rooney shouldn't play in the midfield... yes, he can deliver those Scholesy 50-yard passes, but the difference is that Scholes actually almost always knew the right moment for a long or a short pass, while Rooney gets the ball in the central area and immediately pings it towards the wingers. One of the arguments why Rooney's best position would be as a striker - it would make more sense to spread the ball wide then.

But really, it's painful to watch how we're wasting one of the world's best central attacking midfielders (if you've seen him for Dortmund, you would know that isn't an exaggeration). And I think only if RvP leaves, there's gonna be a real chance for Kagawa at United... because let's face it, Van Persie's our best striker so you can't put Rooney there and he has to play behind him - so although Kagawa is better at the CAM position, no manager would drop the biggest name/ego in the squad who just signed a new contract.
 
Didn't realize it was that long ago.
I'm sorry.
Let's say he should have retirement 4 or 5 years earlier. Is that a ridiculous thought ?
 
ss4_goku said:
Great to see Kagawa playing great free flowing football with an assist and a goal today....
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He must be so confused. Having teammates show for him, having options to pass, having movement in front of him. Must be so alien.

*sobs quietly into coffee*

Is Moyes still here? Please tell me this has all been a strange nightmare.
 
Godotelli said:
In my estimation, the makeup of the squad is just as much to blame as Moyes is. You can get away with 2 or 3, maybe 4, players in the squad being on the decline but utd have too many all at the same time. I do not buy this "we were champions last year so it's all Moyes' fault", football can change quickly, especially when alot of your players are declining at the same time. You might look at 1 player and say "he hasn't declined that much" but add 5, 6 or 7+ important players together and the sum total is quite large. Football at the top level is all about the margins (as they say) and let's not forget that Utd weren't anything special last year. RVP turned poor performances into wins time and again.
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This here is the most sensible thing said in this thread in a long while. I actually enjoyed the whole post but I cropped it to save space. Very insightful and on the point post Godo.
 
This is an excellent piece, positively raving: http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footb...m-carvalho-manchester-united-transfer-3213663

The bottom line for me is that he is exactly what we need. Young. Energetic and strong. Composed. Central midfielder. Available.

Therefore it'll never happen. Fergie and then Moyes have crushed all hopes of us ever making a midfield signing that makes perfect footballing sense again.

The only we can make this is work is let Chelsea sign him, then loan him from them. Perfect plan. The club won't even release we've signed a midfielder...
 
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Good performance today, nice and comfortable.

I suspect we'll look clueless against Olympiacos again, Mata is becoming the glue to our attacking play.

Some really good performances from Rafael, Fellaini and Rooney today.
 
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