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DagsJT
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Re: Liverpool Thread(King Kenny!!)
Games like today make me wonder why you're down the bottom. Always astounds me when teams step their game up against the "top" teams like West Ham did today, you wonder why they can't do it on a regular basis. If you played like that every week, you'd be fighting for Europe.
Scoreline maybe a bit harsh but West Ham were superb today and Parker ... world class really. Such a good performance and considering he's playing slightly injured too.
Anyway, roll on the summer. I'm going to make an apology and say that I do think the squad needs a major overhaul and that Klashman probably was right.
Wouldn't be too harsh on your players.
You're on the back of a decent run, with some good displays. Didn't help that Mereiles and Kelly - who I think is blinding by the way - got unfortunate injuries, especially as both have been so key for you recently.
It wasn't so much that you lot were poor, we just played very well and shown a glimpse of what we're capable of if we actually get things together!
Ref was poor, he gave poor/strange decisions to both teams. I don't know whether that ball hit Piquionne's thigh or arm... anyone see conclusively for sure?
You had a definite shout for the Suarez incident.
You'll be alright this year. I've got money on you for the Europa anyway!
Games like today make me wonder why you're down the bottom. Always astounds me when teams step their game up against the "top" teams like West Ham did today, you wonder why they can't do it on a regular basis. If you played like that every week, you'd be fighting for Europe.
Scoreline maybe a bit harsh but West Ham were superb today and Parker ... world class really. Such a good performance and considering he's playing slightly injured too.
Anyway, roll on the summer. I'm going to make an apology and say that I do think the squad needs a major overhaul and that Klashman probably was right.
TikTikTikTikTik
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- 7 August 2004
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Re: Liverpool Thread(King Kenny!!)
WH deserved that, easily. Liverpool just didn't turn up and got overrun in midfield. Poor tactics really, having 2 CM and 1 AM against what seemed like 7 WH players. Team never recovered some composure.
One thing which really stood out for me was all the loose balls and clearences went to WH, everytime! But they made that happen with the very early pressure and total lack of calm from the defenders. Wilson showed he isn't ready yet, conceded possesion all the time and hardly won any headers/challenges either. Really missed Agger in that regard, WH could just mark Gerrard and Meireles and there was no-one to carry the ball forward.
Suarez hardly got the ball, and will have to toughen up a bit, but showed some great skill for the goal and earlier for the shot. Think he'll be fine, you always wonder when players come over, but he has the fight and physique to get on with it and has some amazing skill at times. That turn, on a wet pitch, was really good.
WH deserved that, easily. Liverpool just didn't turn up and got overrun in midfield. Poor tactics really, having 2 CM and 1 AM against what seemed like 7 WH players. Team never recovered some composure.
One thing which really stood out for me was all the loose balls and clearences went to WH, everytime! But they made that happen with the very early pressure and total lack of calm from the defenders. Wilson showed he isn't ready yet, conceded possesion all the time and hardly won any headers/challenges either. Really missed Agger in that regard, WH could just mark Gerrard and Meireles and there was no-one to carry the ball forward.
Suarez hardly got the ball, and will have to toughen up a bit, but showed some great skill for the goal and earlier for the shot. Think he'll be fine, you always wonder when players come over, but he has the fight and physique to get on with it and has some amazing skill at times. That turn, on a wet pitch, was really good.
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PIPA23
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- 21 June 2007
Re: Liverpool Thread(King Kenny!!)
hope West Ham stayes in the league. For our today´s performance there is simply lack of depth, we were not realy interested and we gave a very poor performance as team.. the tactics were bad and West Ham did all things great and in right time.. every goal, player chainges etc.
hope West Ham stayes in the league. For our today´s performance there is simply lack of depth, we were not realy interested and we gave a very poor performance as team.. the tactics were bad and West Ham did all things great and in right time.. every goal, player chainges etc.
gerd
Retired Footballer
Re: Liverpool Thread(King Kenny!!)
There aren't 5 players in Liverpool's current squad that are better than Dempsey...
There aren't 5 players in Liverpool's current squad that are better than Dempsey...
YoungGun_UK
20 TIMES!
Re: Liverpool Thread(King Kenny!!)
to be fair Liverpool played their strongest side (bar injuries) while we played the yoof' (and squad players)
to be fair Liverpool played their strongest side (bar injuries) while we played the yoof' (and squad players)
gerd
Retired Footballer
Re: Liverpool Thread(King Kenny!!)
Parker usually plays very well...he dserves to play in a better team than West Ham...
Parker usually plays very well...he dserves to play in a better team than West Ham...
Liverbird
Omar Comin Yo
- 24 July 2009
Re: Liverpool Thread(King Kenny!!)
I dont know why you are taking these the wrong way. I never said Dempsey is a bad a player, I think he is a good player, but he is not near being a star. I dont see him playing in none of the best six clubs of England.
The only two players in Liverpool squad that can be compare with Dempsey, because they play or can play similar roles, are Meireles and Gerrard. And the difference between them and Dempsey and there is a massive difference betweeen them, it would be disrespectful to Gerrard and Meireles to compare them with soon 28 years old player whose best he has played for has been Fulham.
I dont know why you are taking these the wrong way. I never said Dempsey is a bad a player, I think he is a good player, but he is not near being a star. I dont see him playing in none of the best six clubs of England.
PLF
Legend
- 2 August 2004
Liverbird talking crap
Liverbird you talk so much $hit and clearly have such narrow knowledge of these teams and players that I'm not even gonna bother with you from now on as discussions are quite pointless with you. But just to shut you up good and because you've conducted yourself with very little integrity or logic, I will set you straight first.
No, you didn't say Dempsey is a good player. Don't change your words now. In fact you made the most ridiculous statement I've possibly ever read on these forums when you said and I quote:
Now unless Amateur players (Which at best can be something like FC Crawley players from like 5th division and we know how they fared against United last week and how BIG THE GAP was between those players) play for a midtable EPL club like Fulham
, and Aquilani is officially God's manifestation as a football player, then your statement would be correct. But of course nothing could be further from the truth!
Furthermore, your description of Dempsey as well as comparison with Raul Meireles (And no it wouldn't be a disrespect at all by the way, only a narrow minded biased fan like you would say it would) shows you actually don't know him well nor the positions he plays.
Dempsey is an attacking midfielder first of all and much more of a make good run in the box, score goals type rather than playmaker. Of course being as well round as he is, he also has decent vision and can definitely pick out a pass. But playmaking is not his chief role but a secondary or tertiary one and never has been. Second of all, he can operate and often has on the side in a 4-4-2 system as a right or left wing but of course like Arteta and like Nasri, like many attacking midfielders these days, he's not really a 'winger' ala Aaron Lennon but one who will be positioned there cut inside throughout match and deliver great shots with both feet or join box for aerial attacks, etc.. So he can and does play on the sides as an attacking midfielder or centrally or as attacking midielder or even as a second forward behind main striker. He's proven effective in all these positions and so on top of being a very good player is very versatile! Managers love players like this! Having him on a bench or on the pitch means you suddenly cover 3-4 positions in case you need to make tactical adjustments or injuries, etc.
He's not a deep-lying playmaker by any stretch of the imagination and Raul Meireles is a box to box CM and can also operate as the DMF engine and because he's scored a lot of goals recently and made more forward movements and played little more advanced, you're mistaking him for an attacking midfielder which he's never been. So he shouldn't be compared to Clint period. That comparison doesn't make any sense. Two different players, different positions, both quality.
Instead the players that should be compared to him in the current Liverpool squad are the likes of Maxi, Gerrard, Kuyt and Jovanovic and Joe Cole. And he would get in the team ahead of all but Gerrard on a regular basis especially as he's so fit, rarely injured and so consistent (something the others lack like Joe Cole and Maxi) or at the very least put up a very good fight and give the team some real and much needed quality depth and competition for places which is what every top club needs anyway.
You don't often see me resort to making statements like that. But having replied to your initial outrageous and silly comment with well thought out logic and reasoning outlined clearly and carefully and seeing you respond with a silly one liner about "I stopped reading.. blah blah.." then I concluded you're probably 5 years old or thereabouts. So I decided to speak to you in your own language.
That combined with the fact that, having silently read but never replied to your previous claims about Aquilani in your arguments with other Liverpool fans often over the past few months, it's clear to me that you have a very strong man crush on the talented Italian.
Finally, you go on to say something more absurd like he's soon to be 28 years old and is unproven at top teams. What does that mean anyway? He's never been at a top team so it's not like he had the opportunity but failed. What we DO know is he HAS proven himself WHEREVER he's played, against WHOEVER he's played (Including so called 'top-teams' and against so called 'top players/defenders') and in whatever position he's played. Because the man simply doesn't give a fuck. Whether he's playing against Chelsea and John Terry or lower league opposition in FA Cup or playing for US against England in World Cup, or Guatemala in qualifiers, he does the job.
Anyway, Dempsey doesn't need to go to Liverpool tho and Liverpool football club though could certainly use someone like him right about now also has better options and better players they can get who are younger and have more future 'sale-value' so I'm not actually advocating this move or in favour of it by any means. I don't think the likes of Henry will go for it and I think it's for the best for all parties involved anyway.
I just feel I had to step in and defend a random but good player who deserves credit and no disrespect (which is exactly what you were doing to him and has no fans of his own like Fulham fans here to support him) in a 'big club thread' because the initial comment you made was atrocious and then instead of holding your hand up and being a big man saying you know what, I messed up, I made a mistake, we all do it, we're all human beings, you chose to remain stubborn you only dug yourself deeper with sillier comments that followed.
Liverbird you talk so much $hit and clearly have such narrow knowledge of these teams and players that I'm not even gonna bother with you from now on as discussions are quite pointless with you. But just to shut you up good and because you've conducted yourself with very little integrity or logic, I will set you straight first.
No, you didn't say Dempsey is a good player. Don't change your words now. In fact you made the most ridiculous statement I've possibly ever read on these forums when you said and I quote:
Now unless Amateur players (Which at best can be something like FC Crawley players from like 5th division and we know how they fared against United last week and how BIG THE GAP was between those players) play for a midtable EPL club like Fulham
, and Aquilani is officially God's manifestation as a football player, then your statement would be correct. But of course nothing could be further from the truth!Furthermore, your description of Dempsey as well as comparison with Raul Meireles (And no it wouldn't be a disrespect at all by the way, only a narrow minded biased fan like you would say it would) shows you actually don't know him well nor the positions he plays.
Dempsey is an attacking midfielder first of all and much more of a make good run in the box, score goals type rather than playmaker. Of course being as well round as he is, he also has decent vision and can definitely pick out a pass. But playmaking is not his chief role but a secondary or tertiary one and never has been. Second of all, he can operate and often has on the side in a 4-4-2 system as a right or left wing but of course like Arteta and like Nasri, like many attacking midfielders these days, he's not really a 'winger' ala Aaron Lennon but one who will be positioned there cut inside throughout match and deliver great shots with both feet or join box for aerial attacks, etc.. So he can and does play on the sides as an attacking midfielder or centrally or as attacking midielder or even as a second forward behind main striker. He's proven effective in all these positions and so on top of being a very good player is very versatile! Managers love players like this! Having him on a bench or on the pitch means you suddenly cover 3-4 positions in case you need to make tactical adjustments or injuries, etc.
He's not a deep-lying playmaker by any stretch of the imagination and Raul Meireles is a box to box CM and can also operate as the DMF engine and because he's scored a lot of goals recently and made more forward movements and played little more advanced, you're mistaking him for an attacking midfielder which he's never been. So he shouldn't be compared to Clint period. That comparison doesn't make any sense. Two different players, different positions, both quality.
Instead the players that should be compared to him in the current Liverpool squad are the likes of Maxi, Gerrard, Kuyt and Jovanovic and Joe Cole. And he would get in the team ahead of all but Gerrard on a regular basis especially as he's so fit, rarely injured and so consistent (something the others lack like Joe Cole and Maxi) or at the very least put up a very good fight and give the team some real and much needed quality depth and competition for places which is what every top club needs anyway.
You don't often see me resort to making statements like that. But having replied to your initial outrageous and silly comment with well thought out logic and reasoning outlined clearly and carefully and seeing you respond with a silly one liner about "I stopped reading.. blah blah.." then I concluded you're probably 5 years old or thereabouts. So I decided to speak to you in your own language.
That combined with the fact that, having silently read but never replied to your previous claims about Aquilani in your arguments with other Liverpool fans often over the past few months, it's clear to me that you have a very strong man crush on the talented Italian.
Finally, you go on to say something more absurd like he's soon to be 28 years old and is unproven at top teams. What does that mean anyway? He's never been at a top team so it's not like he had the opportunity but failed. What we DO know is he HAS proven himself WHEREVER he's played, against WHOEVER he's played (Including so called 'top-teams' and against so called 'top players/defenders') and in whatever position he's played. Because the man simply doesn't give a fuck. Whether he's playing against Chelsea and John Terry or lower league opposition in FA Cup or playing for US against England in World Cup, or Guatemala in qualifiers, he does the job.
Anyway, Dempsey doesn't need to go to Liverpool tho and Liverpool football club though could certainly use someone like him right about now also has better options and better players they can get who are younger and have more future 'sale-value' so I'm not actually advocating this move or in favour of it by any means. I don't think the likes of Henry will go for it and I think it's for the best for all parties involved anyway.
I just feel I had to step in and defend a random but good player who deserves credit and no disrespect (which is exactly what you were doing to him and has no fans of his own like Fulham fans here to support him) in a 'big club thread' because the initial comment you made was atrocious and then instead of holding your hand up and being a big man saying you know what, I messed up, I made a mistake, we all do it, we're all human beings, you chose to remain stubborn you only dug yourself deeper with sillier comments that followed.
northstandhero
Betta Getta Vespa
- 25 April 2002
steevio_uk
Premier League
- 7 October 2003
- Team
- West Ham
Re: Liverpool Thread(King Kenny!!)
Relatively, when comparing you to them, then yes.
But, to our credit (which I know isn't related to the point you were making) your squad that night would have cost about £60m (not including the likes of Giggs, Fletcher, Evans, Brown etc) had about 350 international appearances between them and about 100 club honours.
Relatively, when comparing you to them, then yes.
But, to our credit (which I know isn't related to the point you were making) your squad that night would have cost about £60m (not including the likes of Giggs, Fletcher, Evans, Brown etc) had about 350 international appearances between them and about 100 club honours.
Aboutreika18
Too Black, Too Strong
- 5 September 2006
Re: Liverpool Thread(King Kenny!!)
Reminds me of when Rafa had tried five at the back away at Boro, which we all know turned out to be a great idea.
Reminds me of when Rafa had tried five at the back away at Boro, which we all know turned out to be a great idea.
Jamezinho
Golden Boot Winner
Re: Liverpool Thread(King Kenny!!)
A player is generally regarded as being at the peak of his career at 28 so you'd be getting a player in his prime with a wealth of experience in the Premier League and at International level. And he's hardly fit for the scrap heap at 28, he'd still have 4 or 5 good years of football ahead of him.
How is any player supposed to prove themselves at a 'top team' if not given the opportunity? Be realistic about Liverpool's current position and stature. Then you might realise that someone like Dempsey is very much the kind of player Liverpool can attract. He would be a worthy addition to your team I'm sure of that.
A player is generally regarded as being at the peak of his career at 28 so you'd be getting a player in his prime with a wealth of experience in the Premier League and at International level. And he's hardly fit for the scrap heap at 28, he'd still have 4 or 5 good years of football ahead of him.
How is any player supposed to prove themselves at a 'top team' if not given the opportunity? Be realistic about Liverpool's current position and stature. Then you might realise that someone like Dempsey is very much the kind of player Liverpool can attract. He would be a worthy addition to your team I'm sure of that.
gerd
Retired Footballer
Re: Liverpool Thread(King Kenny!!)
Some people here talk as if Liverpool were still a top team. They aren't for the moment.
Liverpool are a big club, one of the biggest in Europe, but so is Ajax...the current sqauds of both clubs are far from being top teams however..and i'm not writing this with pleasure or schadenfreude...i like both clubs a lot...but what i'm writing is the objective truth.
About Dempsey: if the Liverpool of two seasons ago would have had a player like Dempsey (or Cahill) besides Torres and Gerrard as a CM/AMF, they could have won the league...
Oh and i'm totally with PLF concerning Liverbirds's arrogance (even another Liverpool fan wrote that)...sometimes it's not bad to behave with a litle bit of humility and decency.
Some people here talk as if Liverpool were still a top team. They aren't for the moment.
Liverpool are a big club, one of the biggest in Europe, but so is Ajax...the current sqauds of both clubs are far from being top teams however..and i'm not writing this with pleasure or schadenfreude...i like both clubs a lot...but what i'm writing is the objective truth.
About Dempsey: if the Liverpool of two seasons ago would have had a player like Dempsey (or Cahill) besides Torres and Gerrard as a CM/AMF, they could have won the league...
Oh and i'm totally with PLF concerning Liverbirds's arrogance (even another Liverpool fan wrote that)...sometimes it's not bad to behave with a litle bit of humility and decency.
TikTikTikTikTik
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- 7 August 2004
- Team
- Liverpool
Re: Liverpool Thread(King Kenny!!)
Really don't see the point in the Dempsey discussion, besides being too old (the new owners buy young and develope), the majority of these players (over 23/24) never manage to step up to a higher level. If he was as good as everyone seems to be going on about he would have already been playing for a top team. And that's before going into who he would replace...Liverpool don't need another AM/SS, wingers are a focus point.
Indeed, after all Liverpool just bought the best player in Holland (and one of the best at the WC (whatever that's worth
) and one of the best young strikers of this season.
Had Liverpool won yesterday they would have only been 3 points behind Chelsea! Some people are so shortsighted it's untrue. A couple of seasons ago Liverpool was one of the best clubs in Europe and one of the top 3 in England (more 3rd place finishes than Arsenal). 1,5 poor seasons with now rebuilding started (and still 6th place after what was a shocking start) and the club is being written off as a midtable team who should think that that is the clubs position.
It's the lower club mentality you guys are talking about that damages the club! You only have to look at Hodgson and the "steady" players he brought in. Bring in midtable you are midtable. Comolli even said he was surprised by how potential targets reacted, they believe Liverpool are a top club and will be fighting within a couple of seasons. Yet everyone here is going on about, well you have 1,5 crap seasons so that's the future.
Really don't see the point in the Dempsey discussion, besides being too old (the new owners buy young and develope), the majority of these players (over 23/24) never manage to step up to a higher level. If he was as good as everyone seems to be going on about he would have already been playing for a top team. And that's before going into who he would replace...Liverpool don't need another AM/SS, wingers are a focus point.
Indeed, after all Liverpool just bought the best player in Holland (and one of the best at the WC (whatever that's worth
) and one of the best young strikers of this season.Had Liverpool won yesterday they would have only been 3 points behind Chelsea! Some people are so shortsighted it's untrue. A couple of seasons ago Liverpool was one of the best clubs in Europe and one of the top 3 in England (more 3rd place finishes than Arsenal). 1,5 poor seasons with now rebuilding started (and still 6th place after what was a shocking start) and the club is being written off as a midtable team who should think that that is the clubs position.
It's the lower club mentality you guys are talking about that damages the club! You only have to look at Hodgson and the "steady" players he brought in. Bring in midtable you are midtable. Comolli even said he was surprised by how potential targets reacted, they believe Liverpool are a top club and will be fighting within a couple of seasons. Yet everyone here is going on about, well you have 1,5 crap seasons so that's the future.
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gerd
Retired Footballer
Re: Liverpool Thread(King Kenny!!)
I've never said that the future looks bleak for Liverpool.
I just said that AT THE MOMENT Liverpool are not a top TEAM (they still are a top club). I'm very well aware that with a few good buys Liverpool can compete again next season.
My reaction and some of the others was aimed at the obvious arrogance towards a club like Fulham and a very good player like Dempsey. If you read the posts of some fans of the big clubs it's as if clubs like Fulham, West Ham, Blackpool, Everton, Sunderland and others are completely useless as are their players...that is not only arrogant but also very dumb and foolish.
A couple of weeks ago some people were talking about Charlie Adam as if he was the next Leo Messi (and i know i'm exagerating, Adam is playing a great season but it's just a litle bit premature to see in him a big player), well believe me Dempsey is a much better player than Adam. But once again, this is not about Dempsey. This is about the unwillingness of certain very fanatic fans to discuss things with arguments. Replies like "i stopped reading afterwards" are very disrespectfull...
This is also about the fact that a club don't need to buy accomplished stars to become a good club...ohterwise Manchester City would be the best team in the world. Fortunately it doesn't work like that.
I've never said that the future looks bleak for Liverpool.
I just said that AT THE MOMENT Liverpool are not a top TEAM (they still are a top club). I'm very well aware that with a few good buys Liverpool can compete again next season.
My reaction and some of the others was aimed at the obvious arrogance towards a club like Fulham and a very good player like Dempsey. If you read the posts of some fans of the big clubs it's as if clubs like Fulham, West Ham, Blackpool, Everton, Sunderland and others are completely useless as are their players...that is not only arrogant but also very dumb and foolish.
A couple of weeks ago some people were talking about Charlie Adam as if he was the next Leo Messi (and i know i'm exagerating, Adam is playing a great season but it's just a litle bit premature to see in him a big player), well believe me Dempsey is a much better player than Adam. But once again, this is not about Dempsey. This is about the unwillingness of certain very fanatic fans to discuss things with arguments. Replies like "i stopped reading afterwards" are very disrespectfull...
This is also about the fact that a club don't need to buy accomplished stars to become a good club...ohterwise Manchester City would be the best team in the world. Fortunately it doesn't work like that.
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DagsJT
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Re: Liverpool Thread(King Kenny!!)
After the evening to reflect, and look at our squad list, our first team is actually pretty good. I think the problem lies with the squad players who aren't good enough.
Reina
Kelly Wilson/Kyrgiakos Agger ?
Meireles ?/Lucas/Shelvey ?
? Gerrard Suarez
Carroll
That's pretty much a team who I'd say I'm happy with and wouldn't sell or accept bids on. The others are up for grabs and just aren't good enough when needed to step in and replace the better/first team players.
We've got some superb kids coming through but they're a few years away from being in contention for first team anyway but we definitely need to strengthen the squad up as a whole.
I'm also not sure I like the thought of Kuyt getting a new contract. As long as it's with him being a squad player, then fine. But if it's under the impression that he's still going to be a permanent fixture on our right wing then I'd be pretty pissed off.
After the evening to reflect, and look at our squad list, our first team is actually pretty good. I think the problem lies with the squad players who aren't good enough.
Reina
Kelly Wilson/Kyrgiakos Agger ?
Meireles ?/Lucas/Shelvey ?
? Gerrard Suarez
Carroll
That's pretty much a team who I'd say I'm happy with and wouldn't sell or accept bids on. The others are up for grabs and just aren't good enough when needed to step in and replace the better/first team players.
We've got some superb kids coming through but they're a few years away from being in contention for first team anyway but we definitely need to strengthen the squad up as a whole.
I'm also not sure I like the thought of Kuyt getting a new contract. As long as it's with him being a squad player, then fine. But if it's under the impression that he's still going to be a permanent fixture on our right wing then I'd be pretty pissed off.
TikTikTikTikTik
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- 7 August 2004
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- Liverpool
Re: Liverpool Thread(King Kenny!!)
Agree with the arrogance part ( I stopped reading Liverbird's Aquilani posts quite some time ago). However I really don't think Dempsey is a worthwhile target, for the reasons I've mentioned. And it was James that said Liverpool should be aiming to buy these type of midtable players.
But the point is, if you aim for midtable players (which James is saying, and you are partly saying with Dempsey) then the club will become midtable. Adam is a good example, he's having a great season, but many players have done that with a small club. He is still only 25 (which is a good age for CM), but most of us in here were saying, buy him for 4,5/6mil to give him a chance to prove he is good enough.
But the discussion here is stating that Dempsey WILL be a worthwhile buy and add quality to the club. I don't really see how with the players already in his position, unless Fulham want to exchange him for Cole, then it's a worthwhile target.
To some extent, however the majority of the succesfull players at those clubs (who are in their prime) haven't been able to make the step up when given the chance. Liverpool have bought quite a few of these players only for them to turn out poor, not up to standard. Also if these players were so good don't you think the scouting network at the top clubs would had known and already bought them? Utd bought Smaling for 10mil when he had only played a couple of matches, yet now is looking like he had the potential to replace Ferdinand. Do you think that if Dempsey was as good as people are making out in here that he wouldn't have been bought aswell?
Agree with the arrogance part ( I stopped reading Liverbird's Aquilani posts quite some time ago). However I really don't think Dempsey is a worthwhile target, for the reasons I've mentioned. And it was James that said Liverpool should be aiming to buy these type of midtable players.
But the point is, if you aim for midtable players (which James is saying, and you are partly saying with Dempsey) then the club will become midtable. Adam is a good example, he's having a great season, but many players have done that with a small club. He is still only 25 (which is a good age for CM), but most of us in here were saying, buy him for 4,5/6mil to give him a chance to prove he is good enough.
But the discussion here is stating that Dempsey WILL be a worthwhile buy and add quality to the club. I don't really see how with the players already in his position, unless Fulham want to exchange him for Cole, then it's a worthwhile target.
To some extent, however the majority of the succesfull players at those clubs (who are in their prime) haven't been able to make the step up when given the chance. Liverpool have bought quite a few of these players only for them to turn out poor, not up to standard. Also if these players were so good don't you think the scouting network at the top clubs would had known and already bought them? Utd bought Smaling for 10mil when he had only played a couple of matches, yet now is looking like he had the potential to replace Ferdinand. Do you think that if Dempsey was as good as people are making out in here that he wouldn't have been bought aswell?
Re: Liverpool Thread(King Kenny!!)
To be fair, as a United fan, loads of our best players through the years have come from mid-table clubs.
Dempsey, Dembele, and Haangaland would all be improvements on the current Liverpool squad, and that's just Fulham. Personally I worry about Adam's fitness as he gets older, but can't deny his quality if you give him space.
The problem with Liverpool is the same as it has been for years - they have a quality first XI, but not enough depth.
To be fair, as a United fan, loads of our best players through the years have come from mid-table clubs.
Dempsey, Dembele, and Haangaland would all be improvements on the current Liverpool squad, and that's just Fulham. Personally I worry about Adam's fitness as he gets older, but can't deny his quality if you give him space.
The problem with Liverpool is the same as it has been for years - they have a quality first XI, but not enough depth.
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DagsJT
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Re: Liverpool Thread(King Kenny!!)
Yep.
Hopefully we'll get some money this summer (Henry has said all along that January is a poor window and Summer is a better time for transfers) and we'll be able to use what money we have to work on the squad rather than just replacing the first team players that have left like in previous years.
In a way, I can't wait for the season to end. It's been a bit of a nightmare these last few years and from the summer onwards, it's going to be a real fresh start. I'm confident FSG will put some decent money in, we'll get rid of the dead wood in the squad, Kenny will probably get the job permanently, and then when the season starts we'll hopefully be able to concentrate solely on the football from there on in.
In saying that, no football is on during the summer
Kelly also expected to be out for 4-6 weeks
Has been one of the best players since Kenny arrived and will be a big loss both defensively and with him bombing forward and supplying crosses. Would've been ideal for Carroll.
Yep.
Hopefully we'll get some money this summer (Henry has said all along that January is a poor window and Summer is a better time for transfers) and we'll be able to use what money we have to work on the squad rather than just replacing the first team players that have left like in previous years.
In a way, I can't wait for the season to end. It's been a bit of a nightmare these last few years and from the summer onwards, it's going to be a real fresh start. I'm confident FSG will put some decent money in, we'll get rid of the dead wood in the squad, Kenny will probably get the job permanently, and then when the season starts we'll hopefully be able to concentrate solely on the football from there on in.
In saying that, no football is on during the summer
Kelly also expected to be out for 4-6 weeks
Has been one of the best players since Kenny arrived and will be a big loss both defensively and with him bombing forward and supplying crosses. Would've been ideal for Carroll.
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DagsJT
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Re: Liverpool Thread(King Kenny!!)
Nothing yet, will hear more today though.
Nothing yet, will hear more today though.
gerd
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Re: Liverpool Thread(King Kenny!!)
Don't you think players like Jordan Henderson, Darren Bent, Parker; José Enrique, Fellaini, Arteta wouldn't be improvements for Liverpool? Maybe they would not be all first team regulars, but they are certainly better than some of the fringe players Liverpool has now...
But lets stop this discussion, to me it was all about the arrogance...since some people agree...i don't see the point in continuing this discussion. I don't want to start aggro in here.
Don't you think players like Jordan Henderson, Darren Bent, Parker; José Enrique, Fellaini, Arteta wouldn't be improvements for Liverpool? Maybe they would not be all first team regulars, but they are certainly better than some of the fringe players Liverpool has now...
But lets stop this discussion, to me it was all about the arrogance...since some people agree...i don't see the point in continuing this discussion. I don't want to start aggro in here.
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DagsJT
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Re: Liverpool Thread(King Kenny!!)
Henderson wouldn't be sold, and wouldn't want to be a squad player when he's playing so well as a first team regular.
I VERY much doubt Everton will sell us two of their better players.
Parker would be a good signing, but would be want to be a squad player? And West Ham wouldn't sell him cheap in the slightest, in fact didn't they say during the summer that the whole of their squad was available for purchase apart from Parker?
Bent cost £21m or so? A bit too much for a squad player.
The only player out of that list is Enrique, who we might be able to get for a decent price and would do a good job I reckon.
Squad players are a bit of a pain to buy really. You're really going to want to bring in players better than who you've got, and they're likely going to be first teamers at other clubs. But how many of those players will be available for a decent price, and even then would the player want to move from being a regular to a squad player?
I guess that's where the scouting department comes in, as well as FSG's idea of buying younger players who we can train up to be good squad players and hope that they make themselves regulars (very similar to Arsenal, who Henry has a lot of respect for). Younger players would be content to be a squad player if it meant them learning from better players than the team they're at, whilst also hoping that they might have a better chance of trophies. Unfortunately those players cost more than your more established players.
And that brings us back to the likes of Lukaku and company. I'd imagine it's the likes of him that we'll be seriously interested in. Players who are young, lots of potential, proven to a level where you can expect them to do a good job if needed to play games now and wouldn't necessarily demand a starting place so soon for a club like Liverpool.
Just read that David Amoo is going on loan to Hull, a good move for a player with a lot of potential. If our youth system keep up with their progress, we should have a superb team in five years or so.
Henderson wouldn't be sold, and wouldn't want to be a squad player when he's playing so well as a first team regular.
I VERY much doubt Everton will sell us two of their better players.
Parker would be a good signing, but would be want to be a squad player? And West Ham wouldn't sell him cheap in the slightest, in fact didn't they say during the summer that the whole of their squad was available for purchase apart from Parker?
Bent cost £21m or so? A bit too much for a squad player.
The only player out of that list is Enrique, who we might be able to get for a decent price and would do a good job I reckon.
Squad players are a bit of a pain to buy really. You're really going to want to bring in players better than who you've got, and they're likely going to be first teamers at other clubs. But how many of those players will be available for a decent price, and even then would the player want to move from being a regular to a squad player?
I guess that's where the scouting department comes in, as well as FSG's idea of buying younger players who we can train up to be good squad players and hope that they make themselves regulars (very similar to Arsenal, who Henry has a lot of respect for). Younger players would be content to be a squad player if it meant them learning from better players than the team they're at, whilst also hoping that they might have a better chance of trophies. Unfortunately those players cost more than your more established players.
And that brings us back to the likes of Lukaku and company. I'd imagine it's the likes of him that we'll be seriously interested in. Players who are young, lots of potential, proven to a level where you can expect them to do a good job if needed to play games now and wouldn't necessarily demand a starting place so soon for a club like Liverpool.
Just read that David Amoo is going on loan to Hull, a good move for a player with a lot of potential. If our youth system keep up with their progress, we should have a superb team in five years or so.
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gerd
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Re: Liverpool Thread(King Kenny!!)
Yes dags, i agree with most of what you said about those specific players...they were only examples. But from your post i conclude that most of these players would be good additions (but in some cases not realistic at all, but that was not my point).
I also think a team like Liverpool should search young hot prospects, maybe players with a lower profile than Lukaku. To be honest i'm starting to have my doubts about Lukaku. I'm a youth coach myself and there are two sorts of very good youth players:
- players who are prematurely "adult" in terms of having a finished body.
- players wo excell because of their skill (and vision).
Of course there are (rare) players who have it all: a finished body and fantastic skills and vision...
I think Lukaku is the first sort of talent: at 16 he had the body of a 28 year old athlete.
He is now in his second full season and is struggling, maybe because the expectations and the hype are sky high.
What worries me for a forward is the fact that IMO he has not a sufficiently good first touch. I'm not sure if this is due to the fact that he is on a low at the moment...
Liverpool needs to find a lower profile talent.
Yes dags, i agree with most of what you said about those specific players...they were only examples. But from your post i conclude that most of these players would be good additions (but in some cases not realistic at all, but that was not my point).
I also think a team like Liverpool should search young hot prospects, maybe players with a lower profile than Lukaku. To be honest i'm starting to have my doubts about Lukaku. I'm a youth coach myself and there are two sorts of very good youth players:
- players who are prematurely "adult" in terms of having a finished body.
- players wo excell because of their skill (and vision).
Of course there are (rare) players who have it all: a finished body and fantastic skills and vision...
I think Lukaku is the first sort of talent: at 16 he had the body of a 28 year old athlete.
He is now in his second full season and is struggling, maybe because the expectations and the hype are sky high.
What worries me for a forward is the fact that IMO he has not a sufficiently good first touch. I'm not sure if this is due to the fact that he is on a low at the moment...
Liverpool needs to find a lower profile talent.
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DagsJT
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Re: Liverpool Thread(King Kenny!!)
Hopefully that's where Comolli comes in, and those lesser-known players should cost less as well.
Hopefully that's where Comolli comes in, and those lesser-known players should cost less as well.
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Re: Liverpool Thread(King Kenny!!)
Agree Dempsey and all would be good/great additions to the squad. However it will be shortterm and will cost a fortune to keep them happy.
That's the strength Utd have had for quiet a few years now, a solid base of squad players that aren't especially great, but they have grown up with the system, mentality and you know what they will offer and they accept being a squad player.
I think Liverpool are in a similar position to Spurs a couple of seasons ago. Liverpool have a solid first team (but need some decent wingers), and some good youngsters but don't have the intermediate of good squad players. Spurs have bought quite a few players the past few seasons that give them that depth. Krankjar is a great example, he has hardly played, but has been called upon the past few weeks and has made the difference.
I wouldn't mind Liverpool buying a few talented 23/24 y.o.'s from midtable teams this season, with a couple of high profile youngsters thrown in.
Agree Dempsey and all would be good/great additions to the squad. However it will be shortterm and will cost a fortune to keep them happy.
That's the strength Utd have had for quiet a few years now, a solid base of squad players that aren't especially great, but they have grown up with the system, mentality and you know what they will offer and they accept being a squad player.
I think Liverpool are in a similar position to Spurs a couple of seasons ago. Liverpool have a solid first team (but need some decent wingers), and some good youngsters but don't have the intermediate of good squad players. Spurs have bought quite a few players the past few seasons that give them that depth. Krankjar is a great example, he has hardly played, but has been called upon the past few weeks and has made the difference.
I wouldn't mind Liverpool buying a few talented 23/24 y.o.'s from midtable teams this season, with a couple of high profile youngsters thrown in.