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Not many of us have seen him play is probably the reason for the lack of talk, but I haven't heard anyone say a bad thing about him when people have seen him play.

He scored a pretty nice goal for Portugal, hope he can do the same for Liverpool now :)
 
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PIPA23 said:
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That pic would be impossible in Portugal or Spain... well I remember someone here with him in the avatar and the word 'traitor'.
 
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I think is a natural attitude to hate a guy who played for your team and suddenly moved to a rival. You feel betrayed and you don't give a damn to the same old story "well, he is a professional", in that precise moment that boy is your #1 enemy.

But, in a certain way, Gerd is right. It might be related with cultural aspect, at least when you saw Marca's list on the 20 biggest traitors in football history:

1. Figo (Barça -> Real Madrid)
2. Roberto Baggio (Fiorentina -> Juve)
3. Ruggeri (Boca -> River)
4. Sol Campbell (Tottenham -> Arsenal)
5. Batistuta (River -> Boca)
6. Romario (Flamengo -> Fluminense)
7. Cruyff (Ajax -> Feyenoord)
8. Caniggia (River -> Boca)
9. Hugo Sánchez (Atlético Madrid -> Real Madrid)
10. Mo Johnston (Celtic -> Rangers)
11. Tardelli (Juve -> Inter)
12. Luis Enrique (Real Madrid -> Barça)
13. Krancjar (Dinamo Zagreb -> Hajduk Split)
14. Ince (West Ham -> Man Utd)
15. Laudrup (Barça -> Madrid)
16. Aldo Serena (Torino -> Juve)
17. Cáceres (River -> Boca)
18. Denis Law (Man Utd -> Man City)
19. Schuster (Barça -> Real Madrid)
20. Gatti (River -> Boca)

Conclusion: 90% of the cases are from Latin and British cultures.

I'm sorry, it's a bit (or totally) off-topic talk but very interesting in my opinion.
 
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The_Special_One said:
I think is a natural attitude to hate a guy who played for your team and suddenly moved to a rival. You feel betrayed and you don't give a damn to the same old story "well, he is a professional", in that precise moment that boy is your #1 enemy.

But, in a certain way, Gerd is right. It might be related with cultural aspect, at least when you saw Marca's list on the 20 biggest traitors in football history:

1. Figo (Barça -> Real Madrid)
2. Roberto Baggio (Fiorentina -> Juve)
3. Ruggeri (Boca -> River)
4. Sol Campbell (Tottenham -> Arsenal)
5. Batistuta (River -> Boca)
6. Romario (Flamengo -> Fluminense)
7. Cruyff (Ajax -> Feyenoord)
8. Caniggia (River -> Boca)
9. Hugo Sánchez (Atlético Madrid -> Real Madrid)
10. Mo Johnston (Celtic -> Rangers)
11. Tardelli (Juve -> Inter)
12. Luis Enrique (Real Madrid -> Barça)
13. Krancjar (Dinamo Zagreb -> Hajduk Split)
14. Ince (West Ham -> Man Utd)
15. Laudrup (Barça -> Madrid)
16. Aldo Serena (Torino -> Juve)
17. Cáceres (River -> Boca)
18. Denis Law (Man Utd -> Man City)
19. Schuster (Barça -> Real Madrid)
20. Gatti (River -> Boca)

Conclusion: 90% of the cases are from Latin and British cultures.

I'm sorry, it's a bit (or totally) off-topic talk but very interesting in my opinion.
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depends a lot of the quality of player and his former status...would not mind seeing Owen in United shirt after two clubs between but he was a legend, still is (looking at numbers of goals) but his move made many people sad..and angry..
 
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Jumbo, i'm beginning to have a feeling that you feel offended when i said that the reaction against former players who moved on, is typically English.
It wasn't meant to offend.
I still think that to be honest...look at all the Italian players who played for rival teams. A guy like Baggio played for Fiorentina, then went to Juventus (and that is a BIG rivalry in Italy) and afterwards also to Inter and AC Milan...the fans continued to love him throughout his odyssey...
I know there was the Figo thing, but Laudrup also went from Barça to Madrid and can't remember reactions like with Figo.
 
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The resentment towards Owen has only to do with how he left Liverpool imo, and nothing to do with Utd. It's not like has had any success since leaving Liverpool. In England he's only been injured and a financial drain for the clubs he's "played" for.
 
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Think there is more to factor in with the insua v konchesky comparison - the main difference being the quality of player latching onto these crosses and passes!
 
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he only scored 8 league goals last year. Everone went on about him as if he was brilliant but in reality he had a few good games, most of which were in the Europa League.
 
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gerd said:
Jumbo, i'm beginning to have a feeling that you feel offended when i said that the reaction against former players who moved on, is typically English.
It wasn't meant to offend.
I still think that to be honest...look at all the Italian players who played for rival teams. A guy like Baggio played for Fiorentina, then went to Juventus (and that is a BIG rivalry in Italy) and afterwards also to Inter and AC Milan...the fans continued to love him throughout his odyssey...
I know there was the Figo thing, but Laudrup also went from Barça to Madrid and can't remember reactions like with Figo.
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The thing with Owen wasn't necessarily that he'd gone to Man Utd though, that's not really why he's hated it was just the latest in a series of events which made him look a cunt. It was the way he left Liverpool in the first place that turned most of the fans against him, then when he came back he had the chance to come to Liverpool but wanted to much money apparently so went to Newcastle, then just as a lot of people thought he didn't give a toss about Liverpool he went on to join their biggest rivals, which proved to a lot of people that he didn't give a toss.
 
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Michael Owen is was and always will be a business man, with his first thought on his career future and family - loyalty to a club is meaningless when these things come first.

Either way he did a great job for us when he played here, and then fucked us over. But I still respect him for the things he did for us, I'll never forget the memories of that FA cup final! :)
 
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Wasn't he an Everton fan growing up anyway?

Would explain why he didn't give a toss about L'pool. :P
 
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PLF said:
Wasn't he an Everton fan growing up anyway?

Would explain why he didn't give a toss about L'pool. :P
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Fowler and Carragher were both Everton fans growing up as well, both very loyal to Liverpool :)
 
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There's a good reason he is known as "England's Michael Owen". He has shown, especially at Newcastle, that all he really cared about was playing for England.
 
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I think Owen knows that going to Newcastle was a big mistake.
But on the other hand i do understand him not joining Liverpool for a second time.
Players who come back to their first love seldom repeat their success. In Belgium Anderlecht had a policy for a while to buy older players who once wzere very good for them...it never turned out as good as the first time. And soon the fans turned against them because they had hoped for better performances (this was the case for Enzo Scifo, one of Anderlechts all-time greats).
 
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gerd said:
I think Owen knows that going to Newcastle was a big mistake.
But on the other hand i do understand him not joining Liverpool for a second time.
Players who come back to their first love seldom repeat their success. In Belgium Anderlecht had a policy for a while to buy older players who once wzere very good for them...it never turned out as good as the first time. And soon the fans turned against them because they had hoped for better performances (this was the case for Enzo Scifo, one of Anderlechts all-time greats).
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i don't really see how that matters tbh, Fowler came back and even though he was nowhere near the level he was originally - the fans loved him all the same. Liverpool fans don't turn on their players simply because they don't play as good as they used to, it takes more than that.

And when i say that i mean the match-going Liverpool fans who are Liverpool through and through, not the bellends who spend most of the year on phone-ins and message boards constantly picking on their favourite scapegoat (Lucas, Kuyt, Insua...etc.)
 
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I think the fans would understand and accept that Owen isn't the same anymore, and I think he'd also understand that his role won't be as important too.
 
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didnt Owen leave Newcastle after they fall to championship? i think yes..not shure..but the same mistake as with Liverpool...the year he left we won CL, he could have been legend or respected in Newcastle if he stayed with them in championship... he would not play less than he does in United and he would be considered legend over there as Nolan, Smith and Carrol now..i think...now he is nothing and if he retires, he will be remembered only for the years untill he left for Spain...
 
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Nolan, Smith and Carroll are hardly of the same caliber of player as Owen so that comment is a bit redundant. Carroll only broke into Newcastle's first team last season and made his first Premier League appearance this season against us so the two are incomparable, he's a local boy and scores goals, that's why he's a legend.

Owen was out of contract, unhappy and wanted to play in the top flight. Rafa didn't want him, his only definite options (that we know of) were Hull and United. The other rumours were Everton (!!!!!!), Villa and Stoke. If you were him what would you do?

Like Tik said, he's always been all about England and himself. That's his perogative.
 
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Me personally? I'd want to be playing regular football, or at least as much as I could inuries permitting anyway.

But then if I cared about England and wages, it's a different story.
 
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Jumbo_ said:
Carroll only broke into Newcastle's first team last season and made his first Premier League appearance this season against us so the two are incomparable, he's a local boy and scores goals, that's why he's a legend.
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Redundant information in a Liverpool thread I know but Carroll played in the last few games of the relegation season two years ago, and scored against Stoke I think it was with a great header.

Excuse my pedanticism Jumbo. :P
 
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