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It's not just English players who 'get away with it', although they do more often than not. Two off the top of my head are Kuyt and Morten Gamst Pedersen. I've noticed Kuyt not diving but going down really, really easily recently (he did it at least twice against us for example). This is strange as it seems totally against his character and style of play which is maybe why its not really been picked up on.

Pedersen does it regularly. I've seen him a few times on MOTD and people must remember that one against Arsenal where he was miles away from anyone and went down appealing for a penalty anyway? Despite this commentators still refer back to that incident at OT where Rafael tapped his shoulder and his legs gave way insisting it should have been penalty and Allardyce was robbed!

Ashley Young is another English player who does it without attracting criticism.

UEFA should either not have charged Eduardo at all or stuck with the decision. Like has been said, as soon as they went back on it they fucked up and now there is a real problem.
 
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UEFA's handling of Eduardo was a disgrace.

I think the thing that made Eduardo's incident even more high profile was that it was in a CL match and he did that cheeky wink to the fans afterwards. Ngog looked embarassed afterwards and tried to walk away from Carlsey et co going mental.
 
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PetrovLFC said:
UEFA's handling of Eduardo was a disgrace.

I think the thing that made Eduardo's incident even more high profile was that it was in a CL match and he did that cheeky wink to the fans afterwards. Ngog looked embarassed afterwards and tried to walk away from Carlsey et co going mental.
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Thats the first time of heard of this wink? where did you read/see that?

Yeah really embarrassed. if he was that embarrassed, he could have told the ref he dived and sort it all out?

They are both as bad as each other.
 
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The point I was making is not UEFA of FA related. It has to do with the media pricks. It went out of proportion with Eduardo. Now it's even labelled as an "Eduardo dive". He got a bad reputation for it, even though I can't remember seeing him doing that apart from that match against Celtic.

I'm not for punishments right now. Those things have to be established beforehand. All I want is to see if they're gonna be picking on NGog the same way. Maybe not, because it was not a CL match, not against Celtic with a scottish commentator talking shit in the broadcast. But it doesn't mean it wasn't a big deal. Actually, the dive itself was even more scandalous!
 
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BobbyBox said:
Thats the first time of heard of this wink? where did you read/see that?

Yeah really embarrassed. if he was that embarrassed, he could have told the ref he dived and sort it all out?

They are both as bad as each other.
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don't be so naive softlad. I've seen strikers tell the ref there was no contact a few times and the penalty still stands, wouldn't have made a blind bit of difference and you know it. Rafa said after the match that N'gog told him it wasn't a penalty.
 
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Fowler told the ref it wasn't a penalty when we played Arsenal years ago, still given.

Zamora told the ref that Carragher won the ball and it wasn't a foul, the linesman told the ref it was offside, the ref still sent Carragher off.

Once a ref has decided, it's pretty much a done deal regardless of what anyone says to them.
 
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UJSupanova said:
don't be so naive softlad. I've seen strikers tell the ref there was no contact a few times and the penalty still stands, wouldn't have made a blind bit of difference and you know it. Rafa said after the match that N'gog told him it wasn't a penalty.
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But did he even try and tell the ref? at least people would have seen that he tried to remedy the situation. I know that it is rare that it is overturned, but atleast he would have tried if he was that embarrassed.

And stop with the softlad stuff, lets not take this off topic where we all abuse eachother etc. I've heard countless occasions where people in here are getting pissed off with people coming in here and arguments starting. You calling people names wont help that.

I'm putting my point across and I am not attacking Liverpool or Ngog, just responding to that post which made Eduardo sound like a super cunt and Ngog sound like a great fella, who did a bit wrong.

They were both the same, you shouldn't try and justify what Ngog did, just accept it and say it was bad.

Even if he admitted it after, he still cheated and did the act in the first place.
 
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Aboutreika18 said:
Didn't Fowler take a deliberately shit penalty and then McAteer scored from the rebound?
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haha yeh he did, he even gave seamen "the eyes" to tell him where hes putting it....i think he said that on soccer am a few years ago.

McAtter had to score he had a shit goal scoring record for us
 
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I didn't think Ngog dived deliberately, contrary to what other people like Carsley said. He was about to be cut into two by that wild lunge, so what does he do? Jump, and yes maybe he could've stayed on his feet. He didn't look at the ref and ask for it like other players, but it was given anyway by the ref. Sorry to tell you that an inexperienced 20 year old forgot to stay up when seconds ago he was about to be bulldozed.

So Mr. Carsley, next time when you do a wild lunge when you know you're not good enough to stop him, don't go blaming others of cheating.

Nice article IMHO:
http://footyfactor.com/6044/nothing-lucky-ngog-penalty.html
 
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First and foremost, it was a reckless challenge. With Liverpool down 2-1 at home and Ngog racing along the endline in front of the Kop,
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It was the Anfield Road end wasn't it?
 
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koolaje said:
I didn't think Ngog dived deliberately, contrary to what other people like Carsley said. He was about to be cut into two by that wild lunge, so what does he do? Jump, and yes maybe he could've stayed on his feet. He didn't look at the ref and ask for it like other players, but it was given anyway by the ref. Sorry to tell you that an inexperienced 20 year old forgot to stay up when seconds ago he was about to be bulldozed.

So Mr. Carsley, next time when you do a wild lunge when you know you're not good enough to stop him, don't go blaming others of cheating.

Nice article IMHO:
http://footyfactor.com/6044/nothing-lucky-ngog-penalty.html
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No i'm sorry but that's bollocks.

He dived, we all know he dived. If he'd jumped out of the way he wouldn't have just let his legs go under him in a way that suggested he was fouled.

I'm sick of all this bollocks about how he would have had his legs mangled had he not dived, yes the tackle was clumsy but ffs people he didn't go in studs up from the front, it was a simple slide tackle that was mistimed. N'Gog knew what he was doing, he avoided the tackle but let his legs collapse and went straight to the ground, he could have avoided the tackle and stayed on his feet, but then he wouldn't have won a penalty.

This is a mans' game, it's a contact sport. I'm getting fed up with people having this pussy attitude that you should always back out of challenges and dive so you don't get hurt. If you're not willing to get hurt, you shouldn't be playing football.


The reason the press are having a field day over it is simply because it's Liverpool and we're going through the worst spell in recent history, it's easy to pick at us right now and they love doing it so they'll have a go about anything they can.
 
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koolaje said:
I didn't think Ngog dived deliberately, contrary to what other people like Carsley said. He was about to be cut into two by that wild lunge, so what does he do? Jump, and yes maybe he could've stayed on his feet. He didn't look at the ref and ask for it like other players, but it was given anyway by the ref. Sorry to tell you that an inexperienced 20 year old forgot to stay up when seconds ago he was about to be bulldozed.

So Mr. Carsley, next time when you do a wild lunge when you know you're not good enough to stop him, don't go blaming others of cheating.

Nice article IMHO:
http://footyfactor.com/6044/nothing-lucky-ngog-penalty.html
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:LOL:

I didn't see Phil Neville dive and collapse to the floor when Kuyt tried to karate kick him out of the stadium, and that was a much more dangerous challenge.
 
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UJSupanova said:
No i'm sorry but that's bollocks.

He dived, we all know he dived. If he'd jumped out of the way he wouldn't have just let his legs go under him in a way that suggested he was fouled.

I'm sick of all this bollocks about how he would have had his legs mangled had he not dived, yes the tackle was clumsy but ffs people he didn't go in studs up from the front, it was a simple slide tackle that was mistimed. N'Gog knew what he was doing, he avoided the tackle but let his legs collapse and went straight to the ground, he could have avoided the tackle and stayed on his feet, but then he wouldn't have won a penalty.

This is a mans' game, it's a contact sport. I'm getting fed up with people having this pussy attitude that you should always back out of challenges and dive so you don't get hurt. If you're not willing to get hurt, you shouldn't be playing football.


The reason the press are having a field day over it is simply because it's Liverpool and we're going through the worst spell in recent history, it's easy to pick at us right now and they love doing it so they'll have a go about anything they can.
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As I said, he didn't deliberately dived. And if someone as clearly as him lunging at you, you get out of the way. Simple unless you're brave enough to test your luck by dribbling pas a f*cking train. Oh, sorry, with or without studs, it is still a dangerous tackle and can badly injure anybody. That's my opinion anyway, and he'll learn from this.

Aboutreika18 said:
:LOL:

I didn't see Phil Neville dive and collapse to the floor when Kuyt tried to karate kick him out of the stadium, and that was a much more dangerous challenge.
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Regarding Phil, too bad not everyone has the same level of bravery. Guess Ngog hasn't got the balls yet to 'receive' such tackles.

Such difference in performance & luck, Red's reserves is number 1 again with an 8 game winning streak.
 
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koolaje said:
I didn't think Ngog dived deliberately, contrary to what other people like Carsley said. He was about to be cut into two by that wild lunge, so what does he do? Jump, and yes maybe he could've stayed on his feet. He didn't look at the ref and ask for it like other players, but it was given anyway by the ref. Sorry to tell you that an inexperienced 20 year old forgot to stay up when seconds ago he was about to be bulldozed.

So Mr. Carsley, next time when you do a wild lunge when you know you're not good enough to stop him, don't go blaming others of cheating.

Nice article IMHO:
http://footyfactor.com/6044/nothing-lucky-ngog-penalty.html
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Off course he had to jump, but he didn't had to open the arms and act like hes been hit.

But that is a cultural thing, right here if the defender comes like a butcher you can dive and still get a penalty and what happens, you don't see defenders 'defending' like Lee Carsley inside the box.

To be honest everything in football is relative, there are dives and there are dives, if you know what I mean.

Players need to chill out and realize its a 90min game, if someones cheat or a ref make a mistake, use your anger as motivator, isn't one thing that decide the game. And if it happens at the injury time, you had probably more than 90min to score.

Birmingham posture was ridiculous, most of the time they were with 7-8 men inside their own box, learn to defend ffs.

Football isn't just running on steroids and 'go for the ball' or 'I didn't touch him' bs. If its ok to get the ball first, then why not axe the players leg after you took it.

N'Gog and Eduardo were different cases, but they both made the mistake of dive, now lets move on and starting thinking about these butchers that are multiplying every single day.
 
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sauce said:
Off course he had to jump, but he didn't had to open the arms and act like hes been hit.
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Actually he did. It's sad really, but had he stayed on his feet and lost the ball the ref would have played on. The ref's don't actively punish bad/mistimed tackles unless the player goes down. Just shows how limited they are in being able to see a challenge or not.

Stupid uproar about this, after all he's still young. He'll learn from this and next time he will stick his leg out to make sure there is contact.
 
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koolaje said:
Such difference in performance & luck, Red's reserves is number 1 again with an 8 game winning streak.
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Season before last the reserves won everything in sight, first team did relatively poorly (4th place)....last season the reserves were getting trounced every week yet we nearly pipped the Mancs to the title.

I sense a pattern.

Watched the Hull highlights. Very encouraged by our youngsters.

Amoo, Ecclestone, Pacheco, Irwin, Kakalinic. Very, very impressed with them. Looked a class above.
 
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I thought Ecclestone was more of a threat than any of our (healthy) backup wingers when he played last time in the first team, wish we had el Zhar .. he was willing to drive through the full backs.
 
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I've only seen your reserves v United earlier in the year, when you lot were all over us in the first half, then dissappeared in the second and eventually won on pens. Reserves football confuses me, sometimes you tune in and full on internationals are playing, other times its guys you've never heard of. Bizarre. Too inconsistent to read much into I think!

As for N'Gog - I'm sorry but all this stuff about Carsley being in in his way and that bringing him down is complete and utter garbage. Haven't any of you played football before? It happens all the time that you have to jump over someone. Hell, I bet N'Gog could quite comfortable do the 110 metre hurdles, and that's probably twice the height he had to get over. Watch the replay, he could have very easy just put his front foot down and kept going, but instead let it crumble under him, waiting for the contact on his back foot. It was cynical.

But that's exactly what every other striker would have tried to do in the situation, because there are no tv replays to punish the lying c*nts afterwards, because Blatter/Platini won't let their beloved (rigged) football change. Next time N'Gog does it he'll just dive better.

It's all crap this thing about players falling at the slightest touch. If you play football on a regular basis you know exactly what it takes to bring you down, and it's nothing like what these guys go down from. And they're bigger stronger and have better balance then your average pub team player. It's all trained, it's all learned and it's all rewarded. So it'll continue. And no team has any legs to stand on (ha!) because everyone does it.
 
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hmm think the ressies have played yous lot twice this year.

Won a cup against you on Pens, and beat you 1-0 in the ressie league, with...yep....David Ngog getting the goal ;)

Reserve team football used to be older backup players getting gametime, sometimes full international, but now it is turning into the level that is above the youth teams. The players the club has identified at a young age of being able to step it up a notch to get picked to show the manager what they can do.

I understand Benitez now has more of a say over all our the reserve and youth squads, he tries to attend every game.

Genuinly I belive with our injuries, and the lack of performance/passion coming from the likes of Babel/Voronin etc, If we hit a certain point where we can officially call the season a right off, I'd like to see the youngsters who stand out at reserve level, to get playing time.

Yes people will moan and say we can't trust youngsters to get us into the CL places, but the league has become to competitive below the top 2 teams, that the likes of Babel and Voronin just can't cut it anyway. They dont have too much to prove, they still have a reputation in their previous leagues. The youngsters have everything to prove. I'm not buying the "no CL=financial disaster" theory. It will hasten the departure of the yanks. Extra investment seems to be around the corner. A club with such a massive following will not be allowed to do a Leeds.
 
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beachryan said:
I've only seen your reserves v United earlier in the year, when you lot were all over us in the first half, then dissappeared in the second and eventually won on pens. Reserves football confuses me, sometimes you tune in and full on internationals are playing, other times its guys you've never heard of. Bizarre. Too inconsistent to read much into I think!

As for N'Gog - I'm sorry but all this stuff about Carsley being in in his way and that bringing him down is complete and utter garbage. Haven't any of you played football before? It happens all the time that you have to jump over someone. Hell, I bet N'Gog could quite comfortable do the 110 metre hurdles, and that's probably twice the height he had to get over. Watch the replay, he could have very easy just put his front foot down and kept going, but instead let it crumble under him, waiting for the contact on his back foot. It was cynical.

But that's exactly what every other striker would have tried to do in the situation, because there are no tv replays to punish the lying c*nts afterwards, because Blatter/Platini won't let their beloved (rigged) football change. Next time N'Gog does it he'll just dive better.

It's all crap this thing about players falling at the slightest touch. If you play football on a regular basis you know exactly what it takes to bring you down, and it's nothing like what these guys go down from. And they're bigger stronger and have better balance then your average pub team player. It's all trained, it's all learned and it's all rewarded. So it'll continue. And no team has any legs to stand on (ha!) because everyone does it.
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couldn't agree more. If a slight pull on the shirt makes your legs buckle underneath you, you're no finely tuned athlete, you're a shithouse.
 
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Hmmmmm, 2-2. Guess I should be somewhat happy, however the way they conceded possesion after going up was just asking for trouble.

Good news is the amount of playing time Ngog is getting. He's been involved in quite a lot of the goals recently.
 
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Injuries of Agger and Babel modified everything, what a pitty that Aquilani couldnt get any minutes. Hope he can play at least 30 minutes on Tuesday, although according to what he has been playing, I should be glad if he played 10 minutes.
 
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