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Reina is the second best goalie in the prem (Cech is still better, if he can fully recover) and probably in the top 5 in the world (Casillas, Buffon, Cech, Adler..?) No idea why you'd get rid of him.

Then again, Valdes is sh*t, and Barca could do worse...Reina is the second best Spanish keeper in the world, and the best is unavailable.

Do you guys feel like the world is coming together for this season? You get a Spanish manager who spanishes up the team right at the time that Spain is the footballing powerhouse of hte world. Seems pretty good to me!
 
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Im going to name a lot of goalkeepers that probably you dont know:
- Julio cesar
- Casillas
- Cech
- Buffon
- Carrizo
- Almunia
- Given
- Andujar
- Gomez
- Sessa

Are you serious?

Given, Almunia, Buffon, Cesar, Carrizo, Gomez, Sessa, Mariano Andujar?!

Seriously! The only ones in that list who can possibly lay claim to being better than Reina are Cassilas and Cech, and even Cech doesn't look as good as he used to be.



Oh and the reason you're getting worse has nothing to do with "being honest" We can all pick players from the Liverpool team that aren't good enough or who we think are weak, that doesn't mean a thing. It's because every day you seem to make less sense and to me even more of an idiot than the day before.



Edit: I genuinely can not believe that anyone who has watched a game of football can think Almunia, Gomez or Given are better than Pepe Reina!
 
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Are you serious?

Given, Almunia, Buffon, Paulo Cesar, Carrizo, Gomez, Sessa, Andular?!

Seriously! The only ones in that list who can possibly lay claim to being better than Reina are Cassilas and Cech, and even Cech doesn't look as good as he used to be.



Oh and the reason you're getting worse has nothing to do with "being honest" We can all pick players from the Liverpool team that aren't good enough or who we think are weak, that doesn't mean a thing. It's because every day you seem to make less sense and to me even more of an idiot than the day before.
What a bad memory you have. You should revise some matchs, such as West Ham for the Fa Cup Finals or que quarterfinals against Chelsea for the Champions this year and how we were winning for two goals and Reina fuck it off with his mistakes.
 
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What a bad memory you have. You should revise some matchs, such as West Ham for the Fa Cup Finals or que quarterfinals against Chelsea for the Champions this year and how we were winning for two goals and Reina fuck it off with his mistakes.

Name me one goalkeeper in the history of football that hasn't made a mistake?

Because i can guarantee that everyone you listed have made mistakes, the three playing in England have regularly made high-profile mistakes.

What a pathetic attitude you have, you think Reina's shit because he's made mistakes but you rate Gomez and Almunia ahead of him, two goalkeepers that are pretty much well known for making mistakes. Unbelievable.

Hilariously, in the games you mentioned, Reina saved 3 penalties to win the cup and in the other one Cech fucked up to allow Aurelio to score his free kick.
 
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Name me one goalkeeper in the history of football that hasn't made a mistake?

Because i can guarantee that everyone you listed have made mistakes, the three playing in England have regularly made high-profile mistakes.

What a pathetic attitude you have, you think Reina's shit because he's made mistakes but you rate Gomez and Almunia ahead of him, two goalkeepers that are pretty much well known for making mistakes. Unbelievable.

Hilariously, in the games you mentioned, Reina saved 3 penalties to win the cup and in the other one Cech fucked up to allow Aurelio to score his free kick.
But he almost cost us the match with his stupid mistake. Maybe we could have never played the penalties for Reina's fault.
All players commit mistakes, I agree. The fact is that Reina makes silly mistakes quite offen.
 
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But he almost cost us the match with his stupid mistake. Maybe we could have never played the penalties for Reina's fault.
All players commit mistakes, I agree. The fact is that Reina makes silly mistakes quite offen.

You're basing all this on one or two games, Carragher scored an own-goal in that final, why aren't you blaming him? I'm assuming you're talking about Konchesky's goal when you talk of Reina's mistake? Well that was a fluke, everyone was expecting the cross but Konchesky overhit it and it managed to creep in.

That's not a fact, that's your opinion.

All of the keepers in your list make mistakes, Gomez for one example cost Tottenham quite a few matches last season.

You said you could easily list 20 keepers that were better than Reina, so far you listed 10 keepers, of which only 2 or 3 would be considered at Reina's level or better. The others wouldn't be considered anywhere near that level by the majority of people.
 
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That's not a fact, that's your opinion.

All of the keepers in your list make mistakes, Gomez for one example cost Tottenham quite a few matches last season.

You said you could easily list 20 keepers that were better than Reina, so far you listed 10 keepers, of which only 2 or 3 would be considered at Reina's level or better. The others wouldn't be considered anywhere near that level by the majority of people.
That's your opinion. Actually, I dont no anyone that sais that Reina is a goood GK.
By the way, you really think that Casillas and Cech are better than Julio Cesar ? For me and for almost all the people that I know, Julio Cesar is clearly the best GK in the world.
 
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That's your opinion. Actually, I dont no anyone that sais that Reina is a goood GK.
By the way, you really think that Casillas and Cech are better than Julio Cesar ? For me and for almost all the people that I know, Julio Cesar is clearly the best GK in the world.

That's because you live in Argentina and not England where there are plenty of people who get to see Reina week in-week out and can have a fair opinion of him.

3 golden gloves on the run, loads of records broken but you think he's shit.

ridiculous.
 
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That's because you live in Argentina and not England where there are plenty of people who get to see Reina week in-week out and can have a fair opinion of him.

3 golden gloves on the run, loads of records broken but you think he's shit.

ridiculous.
I see all Liverpool matchs so I have to see Reina. But you are right, I might be unfair with Almunia and Gomez because I have not the posibility to see all their matchs. For instance, I only see Almunia when he plays for the Champions.
 
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OK enough of the hand bags ladies ..

Don't know much about Cesar, but Almunia? No no no ..
Given maybe better, certainly a great keeper @ a losing side.
Buffon had a big reputation earlier in his career, haven't seen him play recently though.
Cech was great before he came to Chels.
GOMEZ??? Tottenham's Gomez ?? LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Gomes :LOL: He's not that bad IMO and was suffering from lack of confidence but saying that he was probably THE stand out comedy keeper of last season.

Frangotia - are you sure you're not an Everton fan in disguise :PP
 
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Lack of a footballing brain? People should stop using that cliche. In what way does he not have a footballing brain? He's intelligent enough to make the right run, and be in the right place to score 15-20 goals every season. He's got enough intelligence to be able to deliver inch perfect passes to Torres. He's intelligent enough to know when to track back, and make a tackle. He's intelligent enough to know how to use his body to beat players without doing a fancy trick.

Fuck, Gerrard might not be the most technical player, or the most skillful, but he's one of the most effective players out there. He's the most completely player in the world, and in recent years, has become the best No. 10 player around. Kaka might be more elegant on the ball, but Gerrard's proven to be far more effective.

20 goals + 15 assists almost every season. Yet he doesn't have a footballing brain? He's got fucking everything about him. He's a monster of an athlete, he can beat players with ease, he scores goals, he's got a great eye for a vision, he scores from free kicks, and unlike certain players, he does as much work tracking back. You play him anywhere on the pitch, and he'll deliver, and he's one of the few players, who'll stand up and be counted when the teams needs it. He's right up there with Messi and Ronaldo for me, and certainly above Kaka, at least based on last season.

Oh, and Alonso is just as important, maybe more important in our team. If the FA had any sense, we'd have Xabi and Vidic fighting out for POTS, rather than Ryan Giggs.
I just don't see it unfortunately, most of his goals and assists are down to his technical ability, he lacks the footballing brain which is one of the reasons why he isn't given much responsibility and is played as a AM/SS rather than a CM, both by Rafa and Capello.

His pace and strength allows him to burst past players and get on the end of team moves but how will he adapt when he loses his pace? Will he be like Giggs and play in a deeper role, does he have the intelligence and defensive ability to do that?

His lack of a football brain is one of many reasons why I feel Lampard is better and a much more effective player than him. Would I want someone I have to almost build the team around to get the best out of or someone who can slot into any side like Lampard and play to his potential?

I'm not saying he's a bad player or anything but his general footballing brain, his intelligence, vision, decision making etc. is highly overlooked by some and is one of his few weaknesses.

I just think that when compared to many current players (Pirlo, Rooney, Lampard, Del Piero etc.) , he is a level below in terms of his mental abilities as a player. This sometimes leads to him being a liability when he is not played as the focal point of a team.
 
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And Reina is indeed a good keeper, a class below guys like Buffon, Casillas, Julio Cesar but definitely good enough for a top 4 EPL side.
 
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That's how I feel about him too. The fact that Rafa and Capello, (both far more tactically astute than Houillier, McClaren and Sven) have seen that in central midfield he is far less effective and can become a strain on the team due to his poor re-positioning and tactical/defensive awareness kinda backs up the opinion that he lacks the brain of other players. (Sorry what a rubbish sentence!)

People always say 'That's crap, he's great at tackling.", which he is but being great at tackling doesn't necessarily mean you are great at defending.

Ronaldo gets in great attacking positions to finish off moves too but I'm sure you'll all agree, when it comes to defensive positioning he's really quite poor. There is a difference. Gerrard is always compared to other central midfielders which really is what he wants to be, rather than to more attacking midfielders which is how he plays now (and plays best IMO) but I agree, he's just a step down from the top tier of great players.
 
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What a bad memory you have. You should revise some matchs, such as West Ham for the Fa Cup Finals or que quarterfinals against Chelsea for the Champions this year and how we were winning for two goals and Reina fuck it off with his mistakes.

West Ham FA Cup final??????!!!!!!!

he won us the cup, he was at fault for two of the goals to be honest, yes, but remember the save in extra time onto the post????? and then the penalties?
 
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This whole Gerrard talk comparing him to Kaka and Ronaldo's Footballing brain is just stupid.

So Gerrard is a lesser player mentality wise because he doesn't have the dissapline for a CM but Kaka and Ronaldo do?! Uhhh, no. Have never even seen Kaka defend and Ronaldo only made a couple of tackles to go to Real. And Gerrard is a lesser player to Lampard because he doesn't have the dissapline to just stay in CM. Actually Gerrard isnt as good as Sami at heading either so he's worse then him and saying that even Gomes has more goalie skills aswell so he isnt as good as him either, bla bla bla......

Technically Ronaldo and Kaka are better, hell even Nani is technically a better player.

If anything you should be comparing them on effectivity to be match winners and in that regard I would say they are all pretty equal, for different reasons/skills.

And you lot should realise that you are comparing him to the best 4,5 players in the world in 4 different positions and he's only just behind all of them in each one. Makes him a decent player imo.
 
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Im going to name a lot of goalkeepers that probably you dont know:
- Julio cesar
- Casillas
- Cech
- Buffon
- Carrizo
- Almunia
- Given
- Andujar
- Gomez
- Sessa

Cesar, Buffon and Casillas. Reina's better than others
 
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I just don't see it unfortunately, most of his goals and assists are down to his technical ability, he lacks the footballing brain which is one of the reasons why he isn't given much responsibility and is played as a AM/SS rather than a CM, both by Rafa and Capello.

His pace and strength allows him to burst past players and get on the end of team moves but how will he adapt when he loses his pace? Will he be like Giggs and play in a deeper role, does he have the intelligence and defensive ability to do that?

His lack of a football brain is one of many reasons why I feel Lampard is better and a much more effective player than him. Would I want someone I have to almost build the team around to get the best out of or someone who can slot into any side like Lampard and play to his potential?

I'm not saying he's a bad player or anything but his general footballing brain, his intelligence, vision, decision making etc. is highly overlooked by some and is one of his few weaknesses.

I just think that when compared to many current players (Pirlo, Rooney, Lampard, Del Piero etc.) , he is a level below in terms of his mental abilities as a player. This sometimes leads to him being a liability when he is not played as the focal point of a team.

Can I then say that neither Ronaldo has the game intelligence you are talking about, and most of his goals come from his technical and physical qualities? In which case, he doesn't class in the very top quality players, like you say about Gerrard?

And you talk about a tactically astute coach like Rafa not playing him in the center? I'd say he plays him where he does, to get the best out of the team, rather than Gerrard. And we're best when all our central midfielders are playing together. Same with England. And it's Rafa himself who's mentioned so many times how well Gerrard has adapted to his new role, and he's slowed his game down to adapt. Doesn't the mere fact that he's played in about 4 different positions in the last 5 years, all to a world class level, suggest that he's got enough intelligence and nous about him to adapt to a new role, and still perform on a high level. Our 05/06 wasn't build around him. He still managed to get 20 goals playing from the right.

He doesn't play as CM now, because football has changed. You need players to be restricted in the center, and that's not where Gerrard is more effective. He'd still be very good playing there, if he wanted to (and he was great when he was playing with Masch there last season, before Xabi was fit). But it's limiting his attacking qualities which he can offer to the team.

What he'll do when he's older? (He's already 29, remember). I bet he'd made a rather good striker, as his finishing and positioning is rather good. Or he could play at right back. Or probably as a holding midfielder. You see that? He could probably play anywhere, and still be good.

Amazes me how people don't rate Gerrard as much as they should. Torres says the service he gets from Gerrard is good as Xavi's. Doesn't that just point to his intelligence? Don't compare Pirlo with Gerrard. Different players, difference roles. But IMO, when it comes to attacking players, who make a difference, who are above other players, when it comes to their contributions to the team, and players who are near about invincible in full flow, Gerrard is up there with Messi and Ronaldo.
 
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Similar thing happenend with Chelsea and Robinho, Anychance it might upset Pompey?

Hopefully not.

I think it was a mistake, his name wasn't added to the squad list page, just the kits page. I think it may have been something set up in advance, the people in charge of the shop website may have been told the deal would be announced at a certain time and to get the shop ready, so it was set up to auto-update the site while they were out of the office and they didn't stop it once the deal was delayed. < How's that for a specific guess :LOL:

I still think the deal will go through, probably being announced on Monday.
 
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