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Cuky
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Might be...
Also, on "transfers" regarding Vettel this time:
Apparently in paddock at Suzuka there is a lot of talk about Alonso's move to McLaren being done deal and that Vettel might be coming to Ferrari for 2015. being joined in 2016. with Bianchi who will than change Raikkonen after he retires at the end of 2015.
Also, on "transfers" regarding Vettel this time:
Apparently in paddock at Suzuka there is a lot of talk about Alonso's move to McLaren being done deal and that Vettel might be coming to Ferrari for 2015. being joined in 2016. with Bianchi who will than change Raikkonen after he retires at the end of 2015.
Jamezinho
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The Alonso-McLaren move looks to be a done deal. Everyone's talking about it and, as the saying goes, 'there's no smoke without fire'. A hell of a lot of smoke in this case.
So if Alonso leaves and Vettel replaces him at Ferrari, who will Red Bull hire? Will they promote from within again, i.e. Vergne?
If Vettel stays then who partners Raikkonen at Ferrari in 2015? Will they bring in Bianchi a year early?
Personally I think it's quite likely Vettel will move on. He's achieved everything with Red Bull and will see this as potentially the right time to take on a new challenge, maybe revitalising Ferrari the way Schumacher did. Also, Red Bull will see this as a good time to part company seeing as Ricciardo has out-performed the four-time world champion this year. It makes sense for both parties.
So if Alonso leaves and Vettel replaces him at Ferrari, who will Red Bull hire? Will they promote from within again, i.e. Vergne?
If Vettel stays then who partners Raikkonen at Ferrari in 2015? Will they bring in Bianchi a year early?
Personally I think it's quite likely Vettel will move on. He's achieved everything with Red Bull and will see this as potentially the right time to take on a new challenge, maybe revitalising Ferrari the way Schumacher did. Also, Red Bull will see this as a good time to part company seeing as Ricciardo has out-performed the four-time world champion this year. It makes sense for both parties.
Cuky
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Well, Red Bull would probably replace him with Kvyat as they choose to not extend Vergne's contract even to drive for Toro Rosso in 2015. That would than open a place in TR as they would need someone to pair up with Verstappen. They might retain Vergne then or maybe hire Sainz Jr. who is, like Verstappen, part of their development program.
If Vettel stays in RB than Bianchi might be coming in Ferrari for 2015. to be paired with Kimi and probably with Vettel in 2016. after Kimi retires (he has stated that he will retire at the end of his current contract and 2015. is his final year on contract)
If Vettel stays in RB than Bianchi might be coming in Ferrari for 2015. to be paired with Kimi and probably with Vettel in 2016. after Kimi retires (he has stated that he will retire at the end of his current contract and 2015. is his final year on contract)
Jamezinho
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I feel sorry for Vergne as he's a good, solid performer. I hope another team picks him up.
Kvyat would be more of a gamble although I don't doubt his potential, but perhaps another year at Toro Rosso would be beneficial. Then again he has good backing behind him as well as that lucrative Russian market so it makes sense in modern F1.
I've seen Sainz jr. race a couple of times in F3 and he's very quick, but pairing two very young and complete rookies to F1 is a risky move even for Toro Rosso.
Kvyat would be more of a gamble although I don't doubt his potential, but perhaps another year at Toro Rosso would be beneficial. Then again he has good backing behind him as well as that lucrative Russian market so it makes sense in modern F1.
I've seen Sainz jr. race a couple of times in F3 and he's very quick, but pairing two very young and complete rookies to F1 is a risky move even for Toro Rosso.
tobi
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Why would Alonso go back to McLaren?
Cuky
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Because Ferrari promised him better, championship contending car that they haven't produced in his 5 seasons there. There is new Power Unit supplier (Honda) joining with McLaren which had a year longer to develop their PU and maybe they convinced him that he will be able to fight for championship with them.
Anyways, Christian Horner has confirmed today that Sebastian Vettel has informed Red Bull that he will be leaving them at the end of the season and that next year Red Bull will be driven by Daniel Ricciardo and Daniil Kvyat. Vettel has said that his future will be known in next few days.
Top 5 teams should look like this next season:
Red Bull: Daniel Ricciardo & Daniil Kvyat (confirmed by team today)
Mercedes: Lewis Hamilton & Nico Rosberg (both have valid contracts, there is no talk about one of them leaving)
Ferrari: Sebastian Vettel & Kimi Raikkonen (although there are stories going around that Alonso still haven't decided and that Ferrari might have Alonso and Vettel with Kimi yet again being thrown out)
McLaren: Fernando Alonso & Jenson Button (or Button & Magnussen/Vandroone if Alonso decides to stay at Ferrari)
Williams: Felipe Massa & Valtteri Bottas (confirmed ages ago)
Anyways, Christian Horner has confirmed today that Sebastian Vettel has informed Red Bull that he will be leaving them at the end of the season and that next year Red Bull will be driven by Daniel Ricciardo and Daniil Kvyat. Vettel has said that his future will be known in next few days.
Top 5 teams should look like this next season:
Red Bull: Daniel Ricciardo & Daniil Kvyat (confirmed by team today)
Mercedes: Lewis Hamilton & Nico Rosberg (both have valid contracts, there is no talk about one of them leaving)
Ferrari: Sebastian Vettel & Kimi Raikkonen (although there are stories going around that Alonso still haven't decided and that Ferrari might have Alonso and Vettel with Kimi yet again being thrown out)
McLaren: Fernando Alonso & Jenson Button (or Button & Magnussen/Vandroone if Alonso decides to stay at Ferrari)
Williams: Felipe Massa & Valtteri Bottas (confirmed ages ago)
Jamezinho
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Honda make the best engines. Always have.
I'm really sorry to say, but this is the confirmation to me that Vettel is actually a very average driver and person that just had the luck to be in the right car at the right moment/season. Just when he got a real competitive team mate in terms of constantly good results, that also generates much more positive PR than him, he's leaving. Count in all his whining and bragging throughout this season, when he's not the "lucky Irishman" he used to be in the last seasons as someone described him in here. I think Red Bull will profit from that with both Ricciardo and Kvyat being more promising at the moment that sticking with Vettel. And I am not too sure if Ferrari is an ideal solution for someone, who wants to win another championship.
The real loser to me on the other hand is someone else, someone that I rate much higher in terms of pure talent and that is Nico Hülkenberg. If Vettel moves to Ferrari, there are no chances left for Hülk to get to a good team next season (again), meaning he still can not show his true skills. I think Cuky's suggestion of the driver pairings for the top 5 race teams as above is quite spot on, only thing I question is Kimi's stay at Ferrari, because his performance wasn't that convincing in the last seasons as well. If he might drop out, there could be a way for Hülk and an all-german driver line-up at Ferrari, but I think this is highly unlikely.
The real loser to me on the other hand is someone else, someone that I rate much higher in terms of pure talent and that is Nico Hülkenberg. If Vettel moves to Ferrari, there are no chances left for Hülk to get to a good team next season (again), meaning he still can not show his true skills. I think Cuky's suggestion of the driver pairings for the top 5 race teams as above is quite spot on, only thing I question is Kimi's stay at Ferrari, because his performance wasn't that convincing in the last seasons as well. If he might drop out, there could be a way for Hülk and an all-german driver line-up at Ferrari, but I think this is highly unlikely.
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Jamezinho
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I was going to say the same actually (about Hulk) but also agree with your comments about Vettel.
So it looks like another shut-out for the Hulk. His only hope is that Force India can continue to improve because his height his presumably hindering his progress in F1.
If it was me I think I would consider moving to another series where I could prove myself on merit rather than being a career-long nearly man in F1.
So it looks like another shut-out for the Hulk. His only hope is that Force India can continue to improve because his height his presumably hindering his progress in F1.
If it was me I think I would consider moving to another series where I could prove myself on merit rather than being a career-long nearly man in F1.
Cuky
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seems like Vettel's move to Ferrari is done deal. I have just watched replay of pre-show and qualis on SkyF1 and Horner had said to them in pre-show that it was Vettel's decision to leave the team as he thinks it is now or never to take a chance for a drive in Ferrari which was his dream as Schumacher was his idol. He had also said that they haven't even tried to convince him to stay in the team as he is already mentally in Maranello. He added lately that they will be 100% behind him till the end of the season but that sadly he is his opponent starting with January 1st and that they hope that he will, at least for some time, spend some time behind their rear wings
Cuky
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Race has been stopped few laps short of 100% after Sutil and Bianchi both went off at the same place. Bianchi seems to be in some serious trouble as he wasn't responding on radio when team tried to contact him and ambulance was allowed on to the track. Looks like he had collided with a tractor that was carrying Sutil's car away.
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EDIT2: Bianchi's car is completely destroyed. It really doesn't look good for him
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EDIT2: Bianchi's car is completely destroyed. It really doesn't look good for him
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The_Special_One
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Fingers crossed for Bianchi! Hope he can pull through.
Mika Salo has said he watched censured TV footage and he confirms that Jules has suffered a serious hit on his head. It doesn't look good, unfortunately.
Mika Salo has said he watched censured TV footage and he confirms that Jules has suffered a serious hit on his head. It doesn't look good, unfortunately.
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Didn't watch the race as I was partying late and can't find a good stream here in Spain, so I'm not completely informed: This looks like the 130R in very wet conditions, right? And was the race aborted after that crashed? The news I read could be read that way, but they weren't very clear with that.
Hoping the best for Bianchi, although that car looks very heavily damaged.
Hoping the best for Bianchi, although that car looks very heavily damaged.
Cuky
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it wasn't in 130R but in Dunlop corner (looooong uphill left hander just after S-combination of corners at the begining of the lap) just on this light gray line that connects Dunlop corner with T16 on THIS map.
When Sutil crashed crane came to the run-off area to pick his car up and there were double-yellow flags waved (means marshals on the track, slow down and be prepared to stop). Then Bianchi lost control and crashed into the crane, SC was deployed to allow for medical car to go to the accident place and after a lap session was red-flagged.
According to some reports Bianchi is in coma and being operated on, but breathing on his own.
His car is real mess. This is how the cockpit area looks
And this is how it looks normally
According to Sutil who was standing there just few meters away after his own crash Bianchi went sideways and under the crane.
When Sutil crashed crane came to the run-off area to pick his car up and there were double-yellow flags waved (means marshals on the track, slow down and be prepared to stop). Then Bianchi lost control and crashed into the crane, SC was deployed to allow for medical car to go to the accident place and after a lap session was red-flagged.
According to some reports Bianchi is in coma and being operated on, but breathing on his own.
His car is real mess. This is how the cockpit area looks
And this is how it looks normally
According to Sutil who was standing there just few meters away after his own crash Bianchi went sideways and under the crane.
Cuky
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FIA's note to media about Bianchi
Ah, at the end of the esses, near to where the East Circuit turns back to the main straight, got it now.
Sport1 report that Bianchi's father stated that his son was in an emergency operation right now to save his life. This looks like going a non-pleasant way...
Sport1 report that Bianchi's father stated that his son was in an emergency operation right now to save his life. This looks like going a non-pleasant way...
Cuky
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well I still hope that this crash won't end his career. He might be out of the car for this season, but I hope he will be back in that Marussia in 2015. He has such a huge talent and he adapts quickly to his environment I have no doubts he is a future champion in making.
EDIT: Man this was a really really really close call. Just few cm and he would have lost his head
EDIT: Man this was a really really really close call. Just few cm and he would have lost his head
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Woah, this is an extraordinary picture. There is barely anything left of this monocoque! Looks like he indeed was incredibly lucky to (so far) survive this.
Edit: Just read that the fastest lap was a 1:51.6 by Lewis, is that true? Would be nearly 20 secs below qualifying time, which indicates nearly undriveable conditions to me.
Edit: Just read that the fastest lap was a 1:51.6 by Lewis, is that true? Would be nearly 20 secs below qualifying time, which indicates nearly undriveable conditions to me.
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Cuky
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Yes, that lap is correct, exactly 1:51.600 compared to 1:32.506 for pole. But conditions weren't that undriveable. They were driving on Intermediate tires for most of the race and they, especially those made by Pirelli in last few years, are far away in performance from dry tires. Track was really drying up that some even consulted with their team about switching to dry tires in few laps. But around lap 39-40 rain started to fall again and pretty hard too. That was just few laps before those two accidents.
Cuky
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Ferrari has released a press statement (he is part of their Driver Academy) in which it is stated that he is not on life support.
Good news, let's hope the op was successful and he will recover soon.
And for the x-th time I say this: Just take a look at the picture above again and how his state of health is (when the news that his body is not needing exterior help to work correctly is true). It's amazing, how safe these cars are. Twenty years ago it probably would have costed a driver's life to crash like that, so accidents like this are a good point in favour of the FIA doing all the crash tests.
And for the x-th time I say this: Just take a look at the picture above again and how his state of health is (when the news that his body is not needing exterior help to work correctly is true). It's amazing, how safe these cars are. Twenty years ago it probably would have costed a driver's life to crash like that, so accidents like this are a good point in favour of the FIA doing all the crash tests.
Cuky
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bad news
Cuky
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I've found that quote on other forums...quote was taken from twitter, source unknown to me personally
Jamezinho
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Last news I read was Bianchi is out of surgery and breathing on his own. Really hope he pulls through this. Forget getting back in the car for the time being, he has 'survived' a crash that would have almost certainly been fatal not so long ago. As has been mentioned, respect must be paid to the stringent safety regulations and car designers.
We haven't seen what Bianchi is capable of yet so I hope this isn't the end.
We haven't seen what Bianchi is capable of yet so I hope this isn't the end.
I remember him. Sad news, RIP.
Jamezinho
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By the way, the crash images are awful. Sutil's account says the car slid sideways into the crane with the rear of the car taking the impact. Makes me wonder if Bianchi's head hit the crane too or if it was the sheer deceleration that caused the head injury?
Cuky
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he was out of surgery, on intensive care and breathing on his own, but reports are that he had brain bleeding and that he was put on life support and waiting for another operation.
As for his injuries, it is still unclear how he got them. Some are saying that his had was well protected from an initial impact but that some debris injured him, while others are reporting that he haven't been hit by anything but that injuries are rather a result of enormous G-Force at the time of impact. But looking at the pictures it looks to me like his car went under that crane and that he might have bumped his head into it.
As for De Cesaris, that is 2nd tragic news for F1 world in one day. I found interesting post on facebook with picture of de Cesaris pushing his Jordan car and description saying: "Unfortunately, #Andrea_De_Cesaris had to retire for the last time. R.I.P.". Really nice comment on his sporting lifein my opinion.
As for his injuries, it is still unclear how he got them. Some are saying that his had was well protected from an initial impact but that some debris injured him, while others are reporting that he haven't been hit by anything but that injuries are rather a result of enormous G-Force at the time of impact. But looking at the pictures it looks to me like his car went under that crane and that he might have bumped his head into it.
As for De Cesaris, that is 2nd tragic news for F1 world in one day. I found interesting post on facebook with picture of de Cesaris pushing his Jordan car and description saying: "Unfortunately, #Andrea_De_Cesaris had to retire for the last time. R.I.P.". Really nice comment on his sporting lifein my opinion.
From my very limited pov regarding medical things I guess it was because of the deceleration and the resulting g-forces PLUS some mechanical effects. If you look closely you see his head is somehow "torn" towards the rear end: As the nearest point of destruction is very near to where the HANS system is usually tied with the monocoque, it might be possible that the system caused his head to rush back suddenly and thereby causing those injuries.
BUT: Just speculation from someone with near to none medical knowledge at all!
BUT: Just speculation from someone with near to none medical knowledge at all!