Football Kingdom [PS2]

xhk007 said:
Whenever I see the annual sequels from Konami and EA— when they’ve become nothing more than run-of-the-mill annual releases—
I’m so glad that FK doesn’t have any sequel.
No sequel is the best sequel.
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Well maybe if we're talking about current gen football games, but there was a point in time when PES and FIFA literally progressed every year and I have no doubt Namco would've been the same with a promising foundation like FK.
 
Yeah, this game needed that single "what if" sequel with just focusing on polishing those areas where it was a bit raw. But guys do not romanticise it, go play it. Recently im trying football games i have not played at all or maybe played for a bit 30 yrs ago and out of a dozen so far this one is special.

Even if you are big on manual passing, this game had that already.
 
I know it's probably blasphemy to many, but I'm actually having way more fun playing FK compared to PES 5 or 6. And I think Namco not making a sequel or a complete game out of this "demo" is probably one of the biggest what ifs of football gaming.
 
Walker™ said:
I know it's probably blasphemy to many, but I'm actually having way more fun playing FK compared to PES 5 or 6. And I think Namco not making a sequel or a complete game out of this "demo" is probably one of the biggest what ifs of football gaming.
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It’s very unpredictable with the manual passing. And the level of control is lovely. Even PES 5 and 6 has the on-rails feeling. Still wonderful games in their own right but side by side, FK plays very well.

It’s not all roses though - the AI makes some questionable decisions. Occasionally the ball appears to defy physics. It’s very much a demo/proof of concept, but oh, what proof it is.
 
sleevel said:
It’s very unpredictable with the manual passing. And the level of control is lovely. Even PES 5 and 6 has the on-rails feeling. Still wonderful games in their own right but side by side, FK plays very well.

It’s not all roses though - the AI makes some questionable decisions. Occasionally the ball appears to defy physics. It’s very much a demo/proof of concept, but oh, what proof it is.
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I agree, also the animations look really good considering it's a game that came out in 2005 I think. Ngl, I think it feels closer to what PES/eFootball is today compared to the old PES games, especially when crossing and heading, and when dribbling. There's a sort of "inertia" to the movement of the players, the same we're used to in modern games.

It has its flaws, but I can easily overlook them considering how fun it is to play. I think it was truly ahead of its times, like PES 2014, especially the Blue Samurai version. Games that make you wonder what would have been if they had continued developing
 
If Bandai and Namco hadn't merged, there might have been a sequel to FK or a full game.
After the two companies merged, many of Namco's original game projects were cut.
 
xhk007 said:
If Bandai and Namco hadn't merged, there might have been a sequel to FK or a full game.
After the two companies merged, many of Namco's original game projects were cut.
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I came across that sales of the trial edition were poor also, at the time. Probably helped their decision.

It sold at apparently ¥3000 less than WE7i. They apparently sold around 527,375 copies of WE7i in 2004 (when FK was released). So we can assume that it sold less than this, despite the lower price. It's worth noting that WE8 later in the year sold around 1,120,000 copies in Japan in 2004.
 
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The small price wasn't because it was the "Trial" version, so, unfinished? Simply?
Sad they didn't at least continue. But with only Nations + fakes names mmmhhh.... They should have passed the second and third gear to be truely intersting as a game you could play the whole year. Also no real type of career more.
It's a trial game and i like it, got fun with, but not much more than Fifa Total Football 2 or 1 for example... But way better than Fifa Basic. The ideas where really good but their was too much miss. It was sort of a giant demo you can buy for a small price.

Yeah i don't remember exactly when when Bandai Namco linked together at the time, wasn't it years later after that game? I know many style of games where left behind but i think that one was just because Namco was totally crushed by Winning Eleven at the time, simply, especially by releasing the game only in japan. Released with only natonals teams while the other game got the full J-League on some version and full league until WE8, they were like 6-8 years late regarding rosters and teams. If they did something more Fifpro with more team... But it was perhaps for the "full" version. We will never know and that's what's frustrating, what the "full version" have done in terms of gameplay aswell of modes and clubs.
 
NeoRetro said:
The small price wasn't because it was the "Trial" version, so, unfinished? Simply?
Sad they didn't at least continue. But with only Nations + fakes names mmmhhh.... They should have passed the second and third gear to be truely intersting as a game you could play the whole year. Also no real type of career more.
It's a trial game and i like it, got fun with, but not much more than Fifa Total Football 2 or 1 for example... But way better than Fifa Basic. The ideas where really good but their was too much miss. It was sort of a giant demo you can buy for a small price.

Yeah i don't remember exactly when when Bandai Namco linked together at the time, wasn't it years later after that game? I know many style of games where left behind but i think that one was just because Namco was totally crushed by Winning Eleven at the time, simply, especially by releasing the game only in japan. Released with only natonals teams while the other game got the full J-League on some version and full league until WE8, they were like 6-8 years late regarding rosters and teams. If they did something more Fifpro with more team... But it was perhaps for the "full" version. We will never know and that's what's frustrating, what the "full version" have done in terms of gameplay aswell of modes and clubs.
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This game was released in 2004 or 2005 I think, Bandai and Namco started their merge in 2005 as well iirc
 
Obvious, there's no clubs, no league, only NT teams, basic modes and the referee (a yes i remember now) didn't allowed to shoot penatlies, i don't even think Penalties were programmed.. They released a game "Trial version" from what i've heard just just before Bandai and Namco became one. It's probably the reason of the release unfinished and way too soon .
I don't know but Bandai should have see that game potential... Sad story, they practically make it : a fun game not exactly like PES neither Fifa which got his own personnality. Immersive. Namco got to release an unfinished version (data was done, but balancing and some small stuffs weren't).

Sad story when you know that they probably didn't created that game in 3 years : it was fast to reach that level of fun/balance (we see tons of goals on YT compilations, but it's another story while you play on hard or the hardest difficulty.
 
NeoRetro said:
Obvious, there's no clubs, no league, only NT teams, basic modes and the referee (a yes i remember now) didn't allowed to shoot penatlies, i don't even think Penalties were programmed.. They released a game "Trial version" from what i've heard just just before Bandai and Namco became one. It's probably the reason of the release unfinished and way too soon .
I don't know but Bandai should have see that game potential... Sad story, they practically make it : a fun game not exactly like PES neither Fifa which got his own personnality. Immersive. Namco got to release an unfinished version (data was done, but balancing and some small stuffs weren't).

Sad story when you know that they probably didn't created that game in 3 years : it was fast to reach that level of fun/balance (we see tons of goals on YT compilations, but it's another story while you play on hard or the hardest difficulty.
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They released a game "Trial version" , now we call this as Early Access version . Namco was way ahead of its time in this area too:LOL:

it will be a penalty kick when foul in the penalty area during match , it works in FK. i see many.

and it's pretty rare to see players getting injured in FK. I even thought for a while that the trial version didn't include this part. But last week, I actually saw a player get injured and miss the next match while i playing FK.

and also all goals were scored on hardest difficulty in these videos .

and i like FK's kingdom mode , it is like a sandbox mode . this is one of the few unlicensed football games that I can really get into.



 
xhk007 said:
They released a game "Trial version" , now we call this as Early Access version . Namco was way ahead of its time in this area too:LOL:

it will be a penalty kick when foul in the penalty area during match , it works in FK. i see many.

and it's pretty rare to see players getting injured in FK. I even thought for a while that the trial version didn't include this part. But last week, I actually saw a player get injured and miss the next match while i playing FK.

and also all goals were scored on hardest difficulty in these videos .

and i like FK's kingdom mode , it is like a sandbox mode . this is one of the few unlicensed football games that I can really get into.



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I was watching these same videos last night! They were way ahead of their time in many aspects, especially gameplay. Not only is there manual ground passing and lobbed passing but you can control the amount of curve on these passes by pressing left or right during the powerup.
 
Do you guys think there's a possibility for modding with the AI surge now? Not something major like gameplay modding, but more like a roster update or something
 
Walker™ said:
Do you guys think there's a possibility for modding with the AI surge now? Not something major like gameplay modding, but more like a roster update or something
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Football Kingdom Brasil 2027 - An updated PS2 football game featuring revised club and national team squads, new kits, redesigned menus, updated music, and Brazilian Portuguese live commentary by Gustavo Villani and Caio Ribeiro. Includes four new national teams, over 8,000 modified voice lines, and a fix for the startup crash.
 
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