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FIFA World Cup Brasil 2014

Refs aren't on a high so far. Two clear goals for Mexico so far, the first one MAY have been off side, although I don't think so, if in doubt it's for the striker I learned and so far it should have been counted. The second disallowed goal is unexplainable, no idea, what he might have seen there.

ALL ARE BOUGHT! REFS, PLETIKOSA, BLATTER, BALL!
WILL STOP WATCHING THIS!
WC ALREADY OVER!

#bullshit :JAY:
 
That was a terrible, terrible 1st half for the Mexicans. They (legitimately) could've been ahead with 2 goals at the very least. So many offsides... it's bloody laughable at this point.

Song is freakishly awful too, Cameroon's mid is nearly non-existent.
 
Hey Steve!
i think the 1st dissallowed goal is debatable, but the second one there's no way it was offside.. as you mentioned, it came off from a defender
 
As lovely as it would be to exclude discussion of referees from analysis or feedback on a match, at present it is impossible. Referees are perhaps more important to the result of individual football matches than any single player on the pitch.

It sucks, but until technology is used to allow 'human errors' to be corrected for, football matches are often decided by fine margins, and the referee is more often then not that fine margin.

I watch a lot of football, from multiple leagues - that penalty decision is comical. Not particularly rare - we see crazy decisions all the time - Ramires v. WBA for example. But all you can ask from a referee is consistency within a match. He might be fussy, or let it all go, but he should be consistent. In this case he is not. If he were, every single challenge in that match would be a foul. Every one. Because putting your hand on a player's shoulder is step one of defending. It happens probably 500 times a match.

If you want to talk about football, Brazil dominated the ball and position, but didn't create very much. Croatia played on the counter but really didn't commit enough support forward to threaten.

The two teams were cancelling each other out imo. Working hard, but 1-1 was about right. Then the penalty. That was the margin that decided that football result.

Olic's move against Ceasar shouldn't be a foul, but it always is in football. No surprise there.

Anyway, now to Mexico match - two offside goals incorrectly ruled out already.

Football is a tight sport, decided by margins. So far in the world cup, the referees are those margins. How can you talk about it without mentioning the game deciders?
 
Offside only counts if the touch comes from a teammate, in case you didn't know.

2 legit goals. FFS,will we have this every match now??
So far, 2 out of 2 for Refereeing fuck ups.

Gerd, let's open up the referee thread again.
It's quite clear we will have more to discuss there than in here!
 
Mexico should had 1 goal ,but that pulling a player down in the box for Cameroon player w'd expect a penalty judge by yesterday`s standards.

I don`t like Miguel Herrera I get disturb everytime he moans.Even when its valid! Mexico plays w/ so much energy in the 1st half they fall to pieces by the 75th min. mark. They need to score I think Cameroon will steal this w/ a draw or win at best.
 
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i'm furious at the moment... and a bit drunk

This is interesting tho
The world cup of everything else
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Hey Steve!
i think the 1st dissallowed goal is debatable, but the second one there's no way it was offside.. as you mentioned, it came off from a defender
Offside only counts if the touch comes from a teammate, in case you didn't know.

2 legit goals. FFS,will we have this every match now??
So far, 2 out of 2 for Refereeing fuck ups.

Gerd, let's open up the referee thread again.
It's quite clear we will have more to discuss there than in here!
Don't think you can be offside if the ball is played to you by the opposition.

Yes, I understand that, but given the second-to-last defender is ahead of the keeper and Mexico's player is behind him, doesn't it hold that the player is offside? Maybe I'm thinking too hard about this. I remember Dortmund's stoppage-time goal against Malaga which should have been flagged for offside.
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Okay. I finally saw a replay of this. I had initially thought that Peralta had touched it first and then Choupo-Moting flicked it on to Dos Santos. That was the cause of my confusion. Apologies everyone!
 
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Don't think you can be offside if the ball is played to you by the opposition.

Firstly, the ball came off a Cameroon defender's head. Secondly, if you look closely Dos Santos wouldn't have been offside even if the ball had come off a teammate. Thirdly, the linesman couldn't have seen the touch at all from that distance in that weather so he basically waved on a whim.
 
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also you forgot there's no offside from corner .

Anyways, am really pissed off

two goals are legit, no doubt .
 
As lovely as it would be to exclude discussion of referees from analysis or feedback on a match, at present it is impossible. Referees are perhaps more important to the result of individual football matches than any single player on the pitch.

Football is a tight sport, decided by margins. So far in the world cup, the referees are those margins. How can you talk about it without mentioning the game deciders?

oh please ryan, that's just nonsense. in any football game there are dozens of "game-deciding episodes" and only a few of them (2 or 3) usually relate to a referee's call. every tackle (or missed tackle), every shot on goal, every cross, every save from the gk is a critical episode in a game.
to say that a ref is the main "force" acting on a football game is simply wrong.

to ignore every other critical episode in a game and to focus only on the refereeing is a decision u make. and i respect that. but u just can't say that refereeing is the deciding factor in a football game because that's nonsense.

u decide to focus mostly on the refereeing because evidently that's what interests u the most. and i respect that. i'm in no position to tell anyone what they should be talking about, of course. i merely pointed out that in the entire 2 pages before my post, there wasn't a single comment on the game played by both teams; just an uninterrupted series of posts commenting on the refereeing.

there's a difference between "mentioning the refereeing" and "not being able to stop talking about it" or "not wanting to talk about anything else that happened on the pitch".
i didn't complain because u guys "mentioned" the ref's mistakes. i complained because u guys couldn't talk about anything else (big difference!) and i thought it was boring as hell.....
but clearely i must be the only one who finds it boring, so i'll just let u guys continue without bothering u anymore. :COAT:

just let me say one thing: it is possible to consider the refereeing as just one aspect of a football game and to simply mention it, and then move on to talk about football. u guys just decide not to. and that's ok. but that's your call. and the mere fact that u can't stop moaning about the refs doesn't make them the most important actors on a football pitch.
 
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oh please ryan, that's just nonsense. in any football game there are dozens of "game-deciding episodes" and only a few of them (2 or 3) usually relate to a referee's call. every tackle (or missed tackle), every shot on goal, every cross, every save from the gk is a critical episode in a game.
to say that a ref is the main "force" acting on a football game is simply wrong.

to ignore every other critical episode in a game and to focus only on the refereeing is a decision u make. and i respect that. but u just can't say that refereeing is the deciding factor in a football game because that's nonsense.

u decide to focus mostly on the refereeing because evidently that's what interests u the most. and i respect that. i'm in no position to tell anyone what they should be talking about, of course. i merely pointed out that in the entire 2 pages before my post, there wasn't a single comment on the game played by both teams; just an uninterrupted series of posts commenting on the refereeing.

there's a difference between "mentioning the refereeing" and "not being able to stop talking about it" or "not wanting to talk about anything else that happened on the pitch".
i didn't complain because u guys "mentioned" the ref's mistakes. i complained because u guys couldn't talk about anything else (big difference!) and i thought it was boring as hell.....
but clearely i must be the only one who finds it boring, so i'll just let u guys continue without bothering u anymore. :COAT:

just let me say one thing: it is possible to consider the refereeing as just one aspect of a football game and to simply mention it, and then move on to talk about football. u guys just decide not to. and that's ok. but that's your call. and the mere fact that u can't stop moaning about the refs doesn't make them the most important actors on a football pitch.

While I agree with some of the sentiment, I can't agree that all moments on a pitch are equal. To score a goal requires many things to happen. Brazil's third required a tackle in midfield, some piss poor defending, a scuffed shot and even worse goalkeeping. Maybe 10 different things happened to result in that goal. If any one of those hadn't happened, then maybe it wouldn't have been a goal.

But giving a penalty is not equal to a defender slipping, or a striker hitting it slightly wrong. Giving a penalty gives about an 80% chance of a guaranteed goal. Players can't create an opportunity like that without dozens of individual events happening.

That's all I'm saying. That's why it brings so much attention. A penalty kick is the single largest influencer in a football match.
 
Anyway, Mexico were excellent I thought, if a little wasteful. Cameroon aren't that good this year, if we're honest. Created very little and didn't seem to get going until the goal.

Will be interesting to see Croatia v Mexico now. Given how awful Mexico were in qualifying, will be fascinating if they end up getting out of the group!
 
Brazil won't make the final. Argentina, Germany, Spain, Uraguay or Italy will rip them apart.

How about Mexico and Cameroun?
Sigh!

Real Results

Brazil 2 - 1 Croatia
Mexico 3 - 1 Cameroun

Cameroun recieve a penalty because as been touched by the arm from the mexico player inside of the area. Shame on this World CUP! :RANT:
 
A deserved win for Mexico. Cameroon were flaccid and uninspired.

To be honest I don't think Brazil nor Croatia will fear Mexico and will be looking at Cameroon as three points in the bag.
 
But giving a penalty is not equal to a defender slipping, or a striker hitting it slightly wrong. Giving a penalty gives about an 80% chance of a guaranteed goal. Players can't create an opportunity like that without dozens of individual events happening.

That's all I'm saying. That's why it brings so much attention. A penalty kick is the single largest influencer in a football match.

that's a sound logic. but, applying your logic, every shot on goal has the exact same impact on the game of a penalty kick (if the gk saves it, it's not a goal, if he doesn't save it, then its a goal... just as it happens with every penalty). in every game u get an average of 4-6 shots on goal.
that kinda puts things into perspective, doesn't it?

anyway buddy, it's ok. i respect your opinion. i guess i'll just keep scrolling down pages until i found someone talking about actual football :P
 
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Prepare for fan comments "Mexico the best!!" "You Ticos and Hondurans will do nothing in the WC", "Mexico the Giant of CONCACAF"... As Costa Rican I hate that. Hope Mexico not to go into Round of 16
 
Mexico had free reign and Cameroun played too narrow. That gave Mexico so many option to control the game. How Hernandez complains about being a super dub n not finish that open gol? dos Santo was motm !
 
Prepare for fan comments "Mexico the best!!" "You Ticos and Hondurans will do nothing in the WC", "Mexico the Giant of CONCACAF"... As Costa Rican I hate that. Hope Mexico not to go into Round of 16

hahaha wtf man!
i hope Costa Rica does has a good run in the WC.. they have a tough group but believe me: we Mexicans will mostly will be cheering you guys in every game
 
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Mexico had free reign and Cameroun played too narrow. That gave Mexico so many option to control the game. How Hernandez complains about being a super dub n not finish that open gol? dos Santo was motm !

i know man, too bad the pitch wasn't at its best.. we should've won by more than 1 goal difference
 
I already predicted Cameroon to play like shit, because of their greed some weeks ago, they threatened not to go to Brazil, for money .. and who's their leader in that act? that little minded Eto'o ..

FFS, you're already billionaires, and this is your country you're playing for, if I were them, I would play for free ..
 
Prepare for fan comments "Mexico the best!!" "You Ticos and Hondurans will do nothing in the WC", "Mexico the Giant of CONCACAF"... As Costa Rican I hate that. Hope Mexico not to go into Round of 16

Well it's normal for Mexicans to react that way. They
run the US-español media ..they wear Mexico tops n have US on their hands . When they play vs USA.We learn to except Mexican-US culture. They removed 'Yo quiero taco bell' from us. The best commercial ever!!!

Anyhow Costa Rica aren't as good as Mexico anyhow lol USA are not allow to be arrogant it's racist lol
 
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