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gerd

Retired Footballer
8 January 2002
Over the moon
KRC Genk, Spurs
It seems the English press is very, very disappointed with our national team, first the Guardian (in the 'who lost during this worldcup' as only country) and now FourFourTwo.

The onlyexplanation is that the same as alwaus with the English press: they believe their own hypes..;Belgium was never as good as most 'specialists' in Englandgave them credit for...

I hope they are written off for good now, so that they can play their matches in peace...
 

S-NipE

World Cup Winner
17 May 2008
Germany
German NT
Some where waaaaaay to slow. Best one is Shaqiri to me (~1:08), looking like THE bad ass of the whole world. :LOL:
 

LFC Albania

Banned
13 October 2012
Kosova
Albania NT
Some where waaaaaay to slow. Best one is Shaqiri to me (~1:08), looking like THE bad ass of the whole world. :LOL:

:LOL: btw did you see him vs ref? can't remember what game it was (I think Hounduras) but was funny :LOL:
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we7god

Kreisklassen-Profi
15 August 2003
Germany - Soester Börde
FC Schalke 04
I wonder if any normal thinking person in Argentina or worldwide feels offended by this celebration:

YouTube - So gehen die Gauchos, die Gauchos, die gehen so. So gehen die Deutschen, die Deutschen, die gehen so

It's just insane, that some of our media write about shame and disrespect.
In comments you can read about racism and nazis. What's wrong with people?

Just for explanation: this "dance" is for celebrating the victory showing how the defeated team and supporters are feeling (heads down, sad face etc.) and going and how the winners feel (heads up, lucky, celebrating).
It is just mocking the opponent who lost.

Here some examples of supporters of Bundesliga teams with the same song:

YouTube - So geh'n die Hamburger
YouTube - So gehen die Bochumer ...

So it is basically no racism or disrespect.

I don't get it why people try to see something in it what is not in.
Is it just, because the german team won?
 

ZeroTheHero

Banned
20 September 2013
Sweden
Borussia Dortmund
The Gaucho song is disrespectful. Whether it's perfectly normal to disrespect opponents in the aftermath of matches in Germany is an entirely different discussion. It's not unheard of in most parts of the world though but it is what it is, let's just call a spade a spade. The Germans are just as bad winners as most others it seems.
 
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we7god

Kreisklassen-Profi
15 August 2003
Germany - Soester Börde
FC Schalke 04
In which way exactly is it disrespectful? I need a clear explanation just to understand.

What is disrespectful in singing: "the losers feel bad - the winners feel great?"
Nothing and really nothing more does this song / dance say with words and body language.
And that's how the situation was / is...
 
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fd1972uk

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9 January 2002
Glasgow
Celtic
It seems the English press is very, very disappointed with our national team, first the Guardian (in the 'who lost during this worldcup' as only country) and now FourFourTwo.

The onlyexplanation is that the same as alwaus with the English press: they believe their own hypes..;Belgium was never as good as most 'specialists' in Englandgave them credit for...

I hope they are written off for good now, so that they can play their matches in peace...

I think that is exactly it mate.


FD
 

gerd

Retired Footballer
8 January 2002
Over the moon
KRC Genk, Spurs
I don't see anything wrong with that song.
It is just a football song, not praticlarly funny, but not very bad either...
 

gerd

Retired Footballer
8 January 2002
Over the moon
KRC Genk, Spurs
Frank, now that i see your quote, my god all those typo's...i'm really sorry about them...this always happens when i write posts on my Ipad.
 

we7god

Kreisklassen-Profi
15 August 2003
Germany - Soester Börde
FC Schalke 04
I don't see anything wrong with that song.
It is just a football song, not praticlarly funny, but not very bad either...

Thanks for your reply.
Glad I am not the only one seeing this as not a critical issue.

And by the way I have not seen any similar discussion after the "Brasil, decime qué se siente" sung by argentina team in their cabine after beating Belgium - for me it is nearly the same thing.
 

andy18cruz

Sth, sth ... dark side
29 September 2013
Portugal
SL Benfica
The song is in bad taste. Especially when sung by players. In Germany maybe is viewed as banter among team fans, but on internacional level is a bit wrong. Nothing to do with racism or anything, but disrespectful, IMO.
 

we7god

Kreisklassen-Profi
15 August 2003
Germany - Soester Börde
FC Schalke 04
This song already appeared at european championship in 2008 - interesting that no one ever mentioned something before.

And talking about the Euro 2008 - right after the final match spanish players danced a polonaise right between german players and journalists interrupting the interviews that were taking place. No one ever complained and everyone took it with some sense of humor - even though we lost the final.

And as I wrote above, this so called "gaucho-dance" is not meant to be disrespectful at all - even the DFB gave official statements that if some one feels offended it is a missunderstanding.

I think the german team showed a lot of respect in brazil, not only for the defeated opponents like Brazil after defeating them (we know how it feels to lose in semi finals at home) and the argentina players after the final, but also for the people in the country eg. the Pataxo indians or the poeple in Campo Bahia. They visited a small villages, schools and several aid-projects around their basecamp.
Finally the gifted over 550.000 € for such projects, gifted mountain bikes for a school about 25.000 €, supported the Pataxo indians with money to be able to purchase a vehicle to transport injured people etc...

Of course, such things are not good for producing interesting headlines for the media, but a missunderstood song / dance - in combination with punch words like Disrespect or Racism does it.
 

Rantboy

International
27 December 2002
Fluminense FC / Arsenal
I didn't see why that was offensive. I was expecting something terrible after all the reaction by Argentina fans and media.

You should see the songs the Argentine fans sing and the words they use against Brazilians.
If they really got offended by that silly dance they're real hypocrites. Especially Diario Olé, who always spice up their headlines with something that belittles opponents.

By mentioning racism they're really pushing it IMO. Why is everyone getting so sensitive and easily offended nowadays? What's wrong with the world!
 

Rentalkid

Premiership
5 August 2003
Germany
And talking about the Euro 2008 - right after the final match spanish players danced a polonaise right between german players and journalists interrupting the interviews that were taking place. No one ever complained and everyone took it with some sense of humor - even though we lost the final.

I bet if you would search for a video of said celebrations on YouTube you'd find just as much vitriol against it in the comments. It's YouTube after all.
Germans can be just as butthurt as any other folks.
I agree that there is nothing inherently wrong with this chant. It's neither insulting nor has it been made up on the spot. It's a well known and popular chant in German stadia, sung especially often after wins of the national team. The (drunk - both on alcohol and the atmosphere) players knew it would catch on and this little "being sent onto stage in little teams"-situation spawned a bit of a competition, they all wanted to outdo the other groups a little bit.
 

ZeroTheHero

Banned
20 September 2013
Sweden
Borussia Dortmund
In which way exactly is it disrespectful? I need a clear explanation just to understand.

One thing is when the fans sing something, they can sing whatever they want. When the players sing, it's a bit classless in my opinion.

About the song sung by Argentinian fans, I don't speak much Spanish so I don't really know what it's about, but as long as the players didn't sing it, it's OK with me.

A bad winner acts in a shallow fashion after his or her victory, such as by gloating about his or her win, rubbing the win in the face(s) of the opponent(s)...

Sportsmanship - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Let me just remind you that I didn't even know about this song and the celebration until it was plastered in this thread, and since it was I shared my opinion. I do think German NT is a bit classless though, as a result. Thanks for the heads up.
 
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we7god

Kreisklassen-Profi
15 August 2003
Germany - Soester Börde
FC Schalke 04
One thing is when the fans sing something, they can sing whatever they want. When the players sing, it's a bit classless in my opinion.

About the song sung by Argentinian fans, I don't speak much Spanish so I don't really know what it's about, but as long as the players didn't sing it, it's OK with me.

A bad winner acts in a shallow fashion after his or her victory, such as by gloating about his or her win, rubbing the win in the face(s) of the opponent(s)...

Sportsmanship - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Let me just remind you that I didn't even know about this song and the celebration until it was plastered in this thread, and since it was I shared my opinion. I do think German NT is a bit classless though, as a result. Thanks for the heads up.

Try to google that Spanish words - you will easily find the text and the translation. And this was also sung by the NT. This text could be judged as disrespectful.

This "Gauchos dance" song was created by the fans years ago and apated by the team. And there is nothing disrespectful in the text or the dance.

And regarding terms of Sportsmanship - the team behaved correct and did nothing of those quoted actions after winning the final.

This specific dance was nearly two days later at a celebration with the fans back in Germany - there were no argentina players and it was done by 6 players not the whole team.

From my point of view it is not classless, because there is no bad meaning, intention calling names or disrespect in it.
The text says: the Gauchos walk like this (2x), the german walk like this (2x).

And this has nothing to do with the walk of a monkey or something stupid like that. It should just show that loser is sad and the winner is happy.
And this about celebrating being the winner and not about loughing at the losers and especially not about thinking to be superior to any nation.

If this is seen as disrespect, than any celebration after winning a match is disrespectful, because the losing team feels bad.
 

andy18cruz

Sth, sth ... dark side
29 September 2013
Portugal
SL Benfica
Why the need to say that loser fells bad and point out to the Argentines ("Gauchos"). Just celebrate, be happy, say you're the best in the world, etc. No need to "portrait" how the Argentines are feeling.
 

gerd

Retired Footballer
8 January 2002
Over the moon
KRC Genk, Spurs
I'm sick of this discussion.
This is for most people only an issue because it was the GERMAN national team.
If it would have been any other national team, most people wouldn't care.

German people still have an awfull reputation sadly...is it still WWII ? I don't know. But i must say that every German i have personally known is the exact opposite of the negative stereotype.

I haven't known a single German who wasn't friendly, respectfull and charming...

People have criticsed (rightly) so the 1.000.000.000 th Mardonna/Messi discussion that i started. But this is even more useless...

There are plenty of professional football players who acts like daft cunts, but i can't say that the players of the German national team are among them.

I wonder what would happen if the average evo-webmember would win the WC...i'm pretty sure that i would embarass myself the first days after triumph...maybe not now, but when i had the age of these players, i certainly would have...
 

S-NipE

World Cup Winner
17 May 2008
Germany
German NT
I'm sick of this discussion.
This is for most people only an issue because it was the GERMAN national team.
If it would have been any other national team, most people wouldn't care.

This it is. I don't know, why most people can separate the past from the present, even the generation of my grandparents were to young to actively remember WWII. There is no reason to point it out every time what happened in our past to the current inhabitants of Germany, as nearly all still living today could have taken any influence at all.

The whole discussion is absolutely pointless to me. Not because, it were our players that sung, but because its a generic song. It has nothing to do with the Argentinian players, it was just that they were our opponent in the final and therefore took the place in the song. This is why I don't think its disrespectful at all, getting the feeling, that our media already don't know, how to fill the summer void in the news.
 
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spektarm

Premier League
6 October 2006
Manchester United
All of this is not only pointless, it's also making me SICK.

The fact that there are SO MANY people on here who before and during the World Cup were posting on here about how they don't want Germany to win JUST BECAUSE IT'S GERMANY, is truly and utterly DISGUSTING.

It's a thing which makes me lose my respect for the people who have posted such things on here. Stop living in the past, stop thinking about the past, stop using the past to create stereotypes!

I'm just saying this to make a point, please don't restart this discussion: The same guys who were going on and on about how morally wrong and disrespectful the things a homophobic guy posted were (and I completely agree), they come on here a few months later and start saying they don't want the German national team to win it just because they're German? They start saying "That's the reason I dislike Germans" because some stupid kid came in here and said "Sieg heil"... HE WASN'T EVEN GERMAN! And you thought he was German because he posted this shite! This is just as bad as the homophobic stuff! And this is the reason why all of you who say "I don't want them to win because they're Germany" are hypocrites. Yes, I said it. It's the truth. If you don't like it, then do something about it - change your attitude towards German people, forget about your stereotypes and strive NOT to be so judgemental just because of a nation's past.

I'm not German, I'm Bulgarian and I don't have any connection to the German people. And I completely agree with what Gerd said.

I apologise for my tone, but I had to speak up. I will not post about this matter again, unless I feel like I absolutely have to.
 

andy18cruz

Sth, sth ... dark side
29 September 2013
Portugal
SL Benfica
What the hell this have to do with Nazis or WWII?
I don't dislike Germany at all. Outside the late political trend coming from Merkel and the majority of German politicians I don't have any problem at all with Germany. Been there - just a day, for connection flight, and liked the food and the people -. I don't dislike the NT either, but for me they were too cocky before the WC (and before previous tournaments as well) when they felt the better, when they had no reason to be. That's the only thing I personally dislike and that's I didn't liked them to have success. But since they had, no problem at all. They were the better team.

This song is completely different. Maybe is a innocent song, a little banter in Germany. But you have to agree that the song cannot be view has a grateful winner. Even after the great sportsmanship that the player had during the tournament and after the final.
 

LFC Albania

Banned
13 October 2012
Kosova
Albania NT
German People awful reputation? hmmm I don't think so, everything com from German people its amazing and reputation its great, look any product you want in any country you want , been in USA and everytime you see a comercial from AUDI or Volkswagen or any german car they always have to tell that car is german and thats what makes it great ;)

German people are amazing , they work hard and are very correct, I think they are best "people" in whole world.

I didn't want they win before WC started, but from semifinal teams I did want them to win, they played best football and I did like them more than rest!
 

Chuny

-
Staff
11 December 2007
OK, so... we lost the finals... but at least ONE argentinian actually enjoyed playing with Schweinsteiger, right?


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bebo

Looking for a Manager
25 July 2005
Arsenal Thread
The Arsenal FC
German People awful reputation? hmmm I don't think so, everything com from German people its amazing and reputation its great, look any product you want in any country you want , been in USA and everytime you see a comercial from AUDI or Volkswagen or any german car they always have to tell that car is german and thats what makes it great ;)

German people are amazing , they work hard and are very correct, I think they are best "people" in whole world.

I didn't want they win before WC started, but from semifinal teams I did want them to win, they played best football and I did like them more than rest!

Volkswagen is German :)) I drive 2013 Tiguan, wife 2013 Passat , son 2013 Jetta . I love Volkswagen :COOL: (gave me ray ban sun shades) anyhow my 2 cents on Germans are simple I grew up w/ a few in Dom. Rep. learn futbol in a basebol nation. They are todays' largest tourist in the country for years. They taught me that it was a German Martin whose Martin Luther Kings father name after (enough said) He fought the church so regular ppl could read the bible w/o a priest .

Look at their squad diversity city :BOP: yh they had a dark few years. Argentina has a dark past too! They don`t have diversity :TTTH: I love`em to bit and I`m a spanish speaker and they don`t hide ! the fact lots of them dislike diversity . Its just opinions . Do I feel the Germans players are disrespectful? somewhat. Then, again I sort of laugh about it :COAT: My wife laughed, my kids thought their movement was too robotic .
 

PU6HY

Cymru Am Byth
30 April 2002
Cardiff
Cardiff City
FFS. Give it a rest all of you. Some of the comments are pathetic. Every team and fan that celebrates are being disrespectful judging by the way some of you think. Let's celebrate in silence when our team scores in future shall we? They were having a bit of fun FFS. Get over yourselves and give it a bloody rest! Such a pathetic conversation this has turned into. They won. They celebrated in their home country with their own fans and were having a laugh. The PC brigade come along and make an issue over nothing. Laughable.
 
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