FIFA 16 News & Discussion Thread

vegasheat said:
Just started playing FIFA 16 on PC for the very first time. Maaannnn what a game....I can't decide which one is the ultimate king: FIFA 16 VS PES 17 VS PES 21...
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FIFA 16 is without wondering one of the top games, specially, modded. The only bad thing I can tell is the CB Jockey and the fact that sometimes the defenders should be more active defending, but away from that, it's undoubtedly brilliant.
 
MadbaLL said:
gameplay wise, i would order them this way:

1. pes 2021
2. fifa 16
lots of empty space
3. pes 2017
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For few last year pes 21 was the best football game for me. However, when I played FIFA 16 after years of break, everything changed. After that gameplay in pes21 has never been as good for me as it used to be. PES has better animation and good physics. However, when it comes to overall aspects of a football match, FIFA 16 is the most balanced. For the last 4 years, I have been playing PES almost every day, admiring the new gameplay mods. When I start played FIFA 16 in June this year, I have been playing FIFA every day since then. I tried to go back to Pes but I couldn't. It seems boring and bland to me . FIFA definitely has a lot of things to improve, but it's currently the game that gives me the most of fun.Of course, PES and FIFA with gameplay mods, fixes, sliders, etc. But everyone approaches football games differently. Everyone likes something different :)
 
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i think people are so romantic about football games. fc25's default gameplay is better than any football game.
i'm sorry but pes 21's vanilla gameplay is really horrible with mods even (especially players movements).
fifa 16's ai is really good but its gameplay is far away from modernity.

nobody mentions about fc25's small details, graphics or career mod. but i understand the community why they don't like nowadays fc/fifa gameplays because gameplays are not different much more than being expected and players seem sliding on the pitch especially in recent next-gen fc games.
 
FC25 isn't a football game, it's a hockey/ice skiing game.

Do people have eyes? Players literally slide on the pitch, turning around themself without any physics and inertia.

The ball is jiggling between its legs like it's a balloon.

The game literally went backwards like 20 years.

16 is way ahead of it. Gameplay, player behaviour, physics, random moments, CPU and AI, shooting, passing, etc.
 
Curious what anyone makes of the concept of my fantasy UEFA tournaments in more detail. (Will be implemented in FIFA 16 thanks to RFS)

UEFA Secundus League (name inspired by a YouTube video) - For the best ranked teams who fail to get promoted to their own countries first division via playoffs or coming so close by league position, and for teams relegated from the top divisions across Europe. 128 teams play in group stage
UEFA Ascendance League - For the teams in the second division who don't qualify for Secundus. 128 teams in group stage
UEFA Maximus League, teams who fail to qualify for Ascendance have another chance at European glory. 128 teams in group stage.

I really tried to make it based on sporting merit and not randomised.
 
Late to the party, but wanted to say mine.

I recently played 9 seasons on Fifa 16 (well, 8 and half to be more precise, stopped cause I probably already failed my main objectives in december, but will eventually complete it) with three different clubs and while I don't usually like absolutes, I think this game must enter in a "best ever" discussion.

I agree that the CB (or players in general) sometimes lose their focus, but honestly in season mode, on a large batch of matches it's not even remotely gamebreaking. Dribbling is surely effective (more than in others chapters), but with some sprint/acceleration discrepancy in CPU favour as I play it's waaay far from being broken as I read elsewhere (at least for me) and I find it actually very balanced, if anything. I've had games in which I could create good chances/goals with my classy players, but many others (practically all the matches of a very cursed CL group comes to mind) in which CPU wouldn't give me an inch no matter how I forced plays.

For the rest, this game is pure brilliance, from positioning, to the build up, the rythm, the attention to the details (that it's not talked nearly enough imho) and many other things. I think the three seasons I did in Tottenham were probably the most realistic experience in a top club I've ever had in an on field football videogame.
 
For someone who always prefered PES/WE over FIFA, especially during PS2 era, and after playing and heavily testing PES 17, 19 and 21...FIFA 16 is the best football game ever made. Better than PES 5 & 6 and WE9LE.
 
MadbaLL said:
for you, maybe.

for me, never.
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mind to elaborate ? see, when I started playing FIFA 16, out of the box, everything is almost perfect. You don't need hours and hours applying different gameplay mods, and in the end you still get shitty AI......I tried all the gameplay mods..you name it..PES 21 is still missing that "gameplay soul". it might LOOK realistic, but playing it is like going on a date with a hot chick but super boring...that makes me think if i should give her another date ..or pass...where as in FIFA 16 the gameplay, the AI, the menus, graphics, how players move, how players move back, how they behave on the pitch, just everything that Konami never EVER perfected. In PS2 era, PES/WE was the king, but lets face it FIFA on PS2 was garbage...PES 5 and 6 shined and most other PES/WE titles because it had that arcade/sim feel to it. Seabass knew what he was doing...also PES never really had any big competition. I wish Namco stayed and developed Football Kingdom more which I believe would of given PES/WE run for its money.

PES 20 demo is the actually best football game ever made. GAMEPLAY wise. For the OGs they know what Im talking about. This is how I would rate these games:

(C) P4P GODFATHER - PES 20 Demo Gameplay
1. FIFA 16 PC
2. WE9LE - Korea (PC) 2.5 will go to PES 5
3. PES 19
4. PES 17
5. PES 13
 
vegasheat said:
mind to elaborate ? see, when I started playing FIFA 16, out of the box, everything is almost perfect. You don't need hours and hours applying different gameplay mods, and in the end you still get shitty AI......I tried all the gameplay mods..you name it..PES 21 is still missing that "gameplay soul". it might LOOK realistic, but playing it is like going on a date with a hot chick but super boring...that makes me think if i should give her another date ..or pass...where as in FIFA 16 the gameplay, the AI, the menus, graphics, how players move, how players move back, how they behave on the pitch, just everything that Konami never EVER perfected. In PS2 era, PES/WE was the king, but lets face it FIFA on PS2 was garbage...PES 5 and 6 shined and most other PES/WE titles because it had that arcade/sim feel to it. Seabass knew what he was doing...also PES never really had any big competition. I wish Namco stayed and developed Football Kingdom more which I believe would of given PES/WE run for its money.

PES 20 demo is the actually best football game ever made. GAMEPLAY wise. For the OGs they know what Im talking about. This is how I would rate these games:

(C) P4P GODFATHER - PES 20 Demo Gameplay
1. FIFA 16 PC
2. WE9LE - Korea (PC) 2.5 will go to PES 5
3. PES 19
4. PES 17
5. PES 13
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Nah, PES 20 demo felt still too unresponsive, with too much lag input from players. Besides, it had same problems mostly than PES 21. AI was never specifically good in PES. It was never its strong point and actually FIFA has always been miles upon them. Problem is FIFA was always too arcady in comparison to PES, and still, that's pretty debatable until FIFA/PES 18.

Btw, that generation (18) was simply horrible. FIFA started making its gameplay even faster and more based on player rhythm rather than other skills, and PES started increasing scripting to a much worse rate. 17 was the last installment for decent football games.
 
Hels The Ronin said:
Nah, PES 20 demo felt still too unresponsive, with too much lag input from players. Besides, it had same problems mostly than PES 21. AI was never specifically good in PES. It was never its strong point and actually FIFA has always been miles upon them. Problem is FIFA was always too arcady in comparison to PES, and still, that's pretty debatable until FIFA/PES 18.

Btw, that generation (18) was simply horrible. FIFA started making its gameplay even faster and more based on player rhythm rather than other skills, and PES started increasing scripting to a much worse rate. 17 was the last installment for decent football games.
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you're so wrong about informing.. fifa 17's gameplay was faster than 18's gameplay. fifa was always NOT arcady to compare to PES. PES was obviously more arcady in 2011 - 2019. script level was same in 17 and 18.

you're the person who declares worst opinions about football games i've ever seen
 
EauRouge said:
you're so wrong about informing.. fifa 17's gameplay was faster than 18's gameplay. fifa was always NOT arcady to compare to PES. PES was obviously more arcady in 2011 - 2019. script level was same in 17 and 18.

you're the person who declares worst opinions about football games i've ever seen
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You mean, "the person with the most different opinions to me". Also, they're not "wrong". Everything is subjective. Don't attack someone for liking different games than you, come on. Grow up.
 
EauRouge said:
you're so wrong about informing.. fifa 17's gameplay was faster than 18's gameplay. fifa was always NOT arcady to compare to PES. PES was obviously more arcady in 2011 - 2019. script level was same in 17 and 18.

you're the person who declares worst opinions about football games i've ever seen
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What people considers "arcadey" can vary from person to person. If you read his comment, he's talking about how ultra responsive FIFA 18's dribbling was compared to 16 and 17. In that sense, FIFA 18 is definitely arcadey.

I personally prefer responsive dribbling [like in fifa 18, pes 13, fifa 06 etc] and are usually okay with medium response dribbling like in fifa 15, 16, 17. But games like pes 21 and fifa 14 were a bit too unresponsive for me. I can play them but things turn frustrating real quick because of the input lag.
 
Some of you guys are funny, I swear. You CAN'T have BOTH. Older PES/WE are very responsive, no input lag because PES on PS2 was based on Arcade-Sim gameplay. Even Seabass admitted this. When you have 8 direction movement, limited animations, everything will "respond" better....when you move to more complex animation execution program, with full 360 movement, once you remove the arcade feel to it, you are left with a simulation of a real football but will pay the price with input lag...etc...etc....FIFA 16 and PES 17 are the ONLY two true sim football games with no input lag or any lag for that matter.
 
Chris Davies said:
You mean, "the person with the most different opinions to me". Also, they're not "wrong". Everything is subjective. Don't attack someone for liking different games than you, come on. Grow up.
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I'm sorry but facts and opinions are not same. if i would say that messi is longer than ronaldo, could it be opinion or wrong fact? i can prove easily these whether fifa 17 game speed is faster than 18 and pes 18 has same script level as 17.
 
vegasheat said:
Some of you guys are funny, I swear. You CAN'T have BOTH. Older PES/WE are very responsive, no input lag because PES on PS2 was based on Arcade-Sim gameplay. Even Seabass admitted this. When you have 8 direction movement, limited animations, everything will "respond" better....when you move to more complex animation execution program, with full 360 movement, once you remove the arcade feel to it, you are left with a simulation of a real football but will pay the price with input lag...etc...etc....FIFA 16 and PES 17 are the ONLY two true sim football games with no input lag or any lag for that matter.
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I don't think having 360 degree movement itself means there will be guaranteed input lag. PES 13, FIFA 12 were super responsive to your stick input and those had 360 degree movement.

Speaking of which, I do actually prefer arcade-sim gameplay over completely sim gameplay. For me, a game has to be fun first and foremost.
 
EauRouge said:
I'm sorry but facts and opinions are not same. if i would say that messi is longer than ronaldo, could it be opinion or wrong fact? i can prove easily these whether fifa 17 game speed is faster than 18 and pes 18 has same script level as 17.
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Maybe it's how I remember the games. I remember FIFA 18 more leaned to rhythm of the players (speed and acceleration) but maybe the overall speed of the game was lower. Also would swear that is from FIFA 18 onwards that skating issues start appearing.

Related to scripting it is true that I haven't played PES 17 that much, so I could be wrong, for sure, but I'd swear it was way closer to PES 16 than to 18 for me, and I played both of those and there was definitely a change (or at least that's how I remember it) and scripting was quite higher in PES 18.
 
one thing i simply don't like playing cp16 on delusional version is that approx. 90% shots on goal and goals are on the upper sides of the frame of a goal. never scored or conceded low kick goal. trajectory of the ball is always somehow high. also crossbars and uprights/posts are very often comparing with other football games.
 
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MadbaLL said:
one thing i simply don't like playing cp16 on delusional version is that approx. 85% shots on goal and goals are on the upper sides of a goal. never scored or conceded low kick goal. trajectory of the ball is always somehow high. also crossbars and uprights are very often comparing with other football games.
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I agree. I can score few low kick goals in the season but cpu shooting high. Even in one by one situations always shots mid/high trajectory. But I didn't pay attention to it until I read your post. I finally found the perfect gameplay settings for me, where the CPU finally creates opportunities and scores a lot of goals, and the matches are interesting and I enjoy each match and subsequent seasons in my career. I don't pay attention to various details that there is no chance to improve anyway. Despite a few flaws, the game is still great
 
naczelnik5 said:
I agree. I can score few low kick goals in the season but cpu shooting high. Even in one by one situations always shots mid/high trajectory. But I didn't pay attention to it until I read your post. I finally found the perfect gameplay settings for me, where the CPU finally creates opportunities and scores a lot of goals, and the matches are interesting and I enjoy each match and subsequent seasons in my career. I don't pay attention to various details that there is no chance to improve anyway. Despite a few flaws, the game is still great
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to be honest, i didn't know if the reason was the latest version of the game (on which delusional fifa 16 is based of) or it is just that way all the way long, no matter of game version. but the fact is i don't like it, it's not realistic, both high trajectory of goal shots and so many crossbars and uprights (posts).

since delusional version of the game was released i don't recall any low shot goal scored or conceded.
 
MadbaLL said:
to be honest, i didn't know if the reason was the latest version of the game (on which delusional fifa 16 is based of) or it is just that way all the way long, no matter of game version. but the fact is i don't like it, it's not realistic, both high trajectory of goal shots and so many crossbars and uprights (posts).

since delusional version of the game was released i don't recall any low shot goal scored or conceded.
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I play delusional version but not in default. I use gameplay mod and i dont have many crossbars etc. Although there are only few goals from low shots, but they do happen sometimes.Unfortunately, there are no button combinations for low shots in this FIFA. It just depends on the power of shot.If you want to shoot on the ground, you need to charge the power bar little. Sometimes there will be a low volley shot
 
naczelnik5 said:
I play delusional version but not in default. I use gameplay mod and i dont have many crossbars etc. Although there are only few goals from low shots, but they do happen sometimes.Unfortunately, there are no button combinations for low shots in this FIFA. It just depends on the power of shot.If you want to shoot on the ground, you need to charge the power bar little. Sometimes there will be a low volley shot
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What mod are you using if I may Ask?
 
naczelnik5 said:
I play delusional version but not in default. I use gameplay mod and i dont have many crossbars etc. Although there are only few goals from low shots, but they do happen sometimes.
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Anderson_PES said:
What mod are you using if I may Ask?
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@papinho81 mod from this post https://evoweb.uk/threads/paps-modding-mess-house-of-placebo.86376/#post-3685794

I like it because cpu is very agressive and matches are more challenging. That mod + my personal sliders,cpu creates chances and score more goals. After all, I don't have a season where, for example, I take 5th place in the Premier League and only concede 20-25 goals in 38 matches. Now, on average, I lose about 40 goals per season, and in the current season (5th place in the league) 53. And I love it because it is very interesting:)
 
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