FIFA 15 News & Discussion Thread
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jaygrim
TheAllSeeingEye
I'm with Pu6hy, JB is never going to find the perfect football game online unless you play friends because people will always try to exploit the game to their advantage. Unless you play Pepper pig of course, he's just really dirty.
Hey, great analysis. I have both games this year and switch back and forth between them, modding and improving them as I go. Two very good games. Great year to be a football gamer.
- Staff
- #3,875
The irony in this post tho, also u seem really defensive
Placebo
Ԁlɐɔǝqo
Well, one way to look at the recent conversation is that people are jumping into the thread of the game you really enjoy and telling you it's shit and only children play it, sure that might not be exactly how people mean it but it can certainly be perceived that way if one decides to, if I were to do the same in the PES thread there'd be uproar, I think PES is very poor if I'm brutally honest but I know a lot of people enjoy it so I'm certainly not going to risk upsetting them by going into the PES thread to tell them how bad it is because what's the point?
Nobleknight
Manual Player
Well, one way to look at the recent conversation is that people are jumping into the thread of the game you really enjoy and telling you it's shit and only children play it, sure that might not be exactly how people mean it but it can certainly be perceived that way if one decides to, if I were to do the same in the PES thread there'd be uproar, I think PES is very poor if I'm brutally honest but I know a lot of people enjoy it so I'm certainly not going to risk upsetting them by going into the PES thread to tell them how bad it is because what's the point?
Exactly, that's why I didn't post what I said in any PES thread.Because I know that won't change the game or people's opinion. So let them enjoy it without me saying the same thing over and over like many do in this thread.
chiefrocka4real
Champions League
Totally agree!
I´m switching between those two games as well and feel the same way.
It needs a game or two though to get used to the controls again...lol.
In PES I wanna use R2 in defending all the time (I´ve put the kit pulling and pushing on that one) and the right stick to push the ball forward while sprinting.
And in FIFA I´m double tapping "X" for tackling and R1 for sprinting...lol.
Thx god that most of the controls are similar in both games.
Same here.
When I had my cousin from the UK at my place, the demo just came out and we were playing it all night long, also on default.
We never had high scorings, just 2:1, 1:0, 1:1 etc.
Each game was different but damn exciting, which made me buying the full release as I never felt that in FIFA before.
Totally agreeing to the argument that we have two good footy games this year.
- Staff
- #3,880
One could decide to perceive anything in any way imaginable, old bean. How dare you say that.
You wouldn't disagree, I'm sure, that Ultimate Team (and playing online with fully automatic controls) is a "kids game". That's my opinion on how it plays, and in my opinion it shouldn't be - it should be for anyone who wants an online career mode, OR it should be ditched for one that requires more skill and concentration. If I'm winning 9-2 (OR losing 9-2) then it's a bit too easy to score. That's not an unusual result on my fixture list - far from it.
I'm expressing my opinion because that's what this place is for. If you wanted to discuss your feelings on PES, I don't think anyone should stop you, unless it's blatant trolling (based on no experience of the game other than a five minute playtest of a demo that you didn't want to like in the first place). There's merit in comparison, I think.
As I said before, your game works for you because of the way you play it. Well, I want to play online - against people like you - and have control over my squad, buy and sell etc... So I was not just registering my frustration but hopefully sparking a debate about it.
As a result, I'll be trying a fully manual online game at some point to see if I can get used to it and/or enjoy it.
The system works!
Dodecahedron
Conference
- 12 February 2014
I think online with assisted settings vs random people should still play a decent game of football... Would need the gameplay mechanics to be properly balanced so that they rewarded cerebral/realistic football.
PES 2011 was really good online IMO for this very reason. There were very few exploitable high percentage scoring methods (only really triple tap cross or 'speed merchant' card dribbling which were both quite stoppable) and the players in the team as well as your formation/strategy sliders playing a huge part in how the game unfolds and more often than not, smart play would be rewarded over mindless chipped through balls or sprinting with 90+ pace players.
I think one of the main reasons it was so well balanced online was because it only had one control scheme. No assisted, semi or manual, just the one set of controls (assisted with a manual modifier button) for everyone.
PES 2011 was really good online IMO for this very reason. There were very few exploitable high percentage scoring methods (only really triple tap cross or 'speed merchant' card dribbling which were both quite stoppable) and the players in the team as well as your formation/strategy sliders playing a huge part in how the game unfolds and more often than not, smart play would be rewarded over mindless chipped through balls or sprinting with 90+ pace players.
I think one of the main reasons it was so well balanced online was because it only had one control scheme. No assisted, semi or manual, just the one set of controls (assisted with a manual modifier button) for everyone.
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Placebo
Ԁlɐɔǝqo
Removing as the issue is now dealt with.
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chiefrocka4real
Champions League
lol, this is better than any talkshow or soap opera 
sauce
Warriors
I blame Honome 
- Staff
- #3,886
No need whatsoever to insult anyone. You're entitled to your opinions (which definitely aren't facts) but let's be adults.
This is a very insightful comment, it's actually spot on and many will soon find out I'll wager as PES becomes more familiar. I have both games, love both games, but I can tell you many player ratings in PES have absolutely zero affect on gameplay, passing in particular . I delve deep into the inner workings of these games every year, editing and testing etc., and PES might be the least responsive game I've come across in a decade. It's a pretty face hiding a rather ugly scripted secret.
Would be interested in discussing and examining this topic with others, but not interested in the back and forth insults that are taking place.
- Staff
- #3,888
I'd like to hear more, particularly when you're testing it (maybe in the PES thread though?).
haha hilarious.very mature of you to say that I'm a liar but in indirect words
It's my experience in a week with the game since last Tuesday.Playing through 3 copa libertadores on Top player & superstar.Manual passing,shooting and basic through balls.Blimp camera which isn't available online for some weird decision.
You could have said you don't agree with me but instead you decided to go that cheap way.
Thank you for those kind words.This proves my theory about PES fans lately.
Nah no cheap way.
What theory do you have there Mr? They were my words, so unsure why you're generalizing
On a serious note, you're too defensive. Chill. I think anyone being too defensive about a game should calm down. They all have their pros and cons, and all should be mentioned like they should be without allowing blind fanboyism to interfere. It's really pointless and doesn't help any game in the slightest. Defending a game like it's of your own blood, I find that ridiculous. What's even worse is blindly shooting down it's "competitor/s" in the process. Does that make you feel better about yourself? What do you gain? You consider that mature? Because I don't.
I prefer civil conversations/debates. I like reading proper constructive critiques that actually add meaning to a discussion. It is very healthy. Yours aren't.
klashman69
Fight the Power!
- 28 November 2007
lol, this is better than any talkshow or soap opera
It's just the beginning
The writing is on the wall really, look at the thread activity in both threads.
One could decide to perceive anything in any way imaginable, old bean. How dare you say that.
You wouldn't disagree, I'm sure, that Ultimate Team (and playing online with fully automatic controls) is a "kids game". That's my opinion on how it plays, and in my opinion it shouldn't be - it should be for anyone who wants an online career mode, OR it should be ditched for one that requires more skill and concentration. If I'm winning 9-2 (OR losing 9-2) then it's a bit too easy to score. That's not an unusual result on my fixture list - far from it.
I'm expressing my opinion because that's what this place is for. If you wanted to discuss your feelings on PES, I don't think anyone should stop you, unless it's blatant trolling (based on no experience of the game other than a five minute playtest of a demo that you didn't want to like in the first place). There's merit in comparison, I think.
As I said before, your game works for you because of the way you play it. Well, I want to play online - against people like you - and have control over my squad, buy and sell etc... So I was not just registering my frustration but hopefully sparking a debate about it.
As a result, I'll be trying a fully manual online game at some point to see if I can get used to it and/or enjoy it.
The system works!
I think you come to the main sticking point here, these guys are playing the game in ways they see as realistic football and are choosing only to see the good points they like and are turning a strict blind eye to all the bad points in fear of losing their enjoyment of the game.
They are deliberately turning a blind eye to the issues shown by you and others and metaphorically, they don't want to see how the issues in ultimate team or single player are core problems which affect every game mode, regardless of sliders.
See with FIFA, unlike many here i have literally played every FIFA apart from 13, yes since 96 and 95 on the mega drive, even when ISS came out and was the king on the ps1, I still played FIFA on the PC or brought it cheap after 6 months, every year.
Back then and on the PS2, i was a child and i had and still do have a really big imagination'. I', a person who dreams a lot, thinks a lot about things and creates his own world. The reason i played FIFA was i really, really waned it to get as good as PES, i know it sucked, i mean ISSProEvo 2 on the PS1 we played that until about 2004 i think, along with PES2 which lasted a while, FIFA died after about 2 months EVERY YEAR. My imagination, my dream was for ea to sort themselves out and give the ultimate football game.
I carried this on up until FIFA10, now in FIFA09 and 10 for a while,this imagination culture stayed! I was getting rather frustrated with ea, core changes where needed, but ea just took a blind eye to them and where manipulative, manual which was supposed to be developed has stayed in the same ignorant style for years. This is where the difference with PES came back and why i can't be arsed to really get into FIFA like i used to. PES over the years apart from 2014, 2008-2009 and parts for 2012 in the beginning have always provided balanced settings where no matter your imagination or what realism you WANT to see, n matter how you played the result and match would 8/10 times be realistic.
Basically what snapped with me and FIFA10 and has never come back is I got fed up with playing with one hand tied behind my back to get realism because of EA incompetence. I got annoyed that with all the technology and potential shown in FIFA 08, I was having to play pretend for realism and play at 70%.
It all comes back to the fact ea never got good at making football games, i mean they showed potential from 07-09 but after they just been their usual selves they have always been. The development in the last generation was nothing special at all, it was an expected development to embrace better technology like all the other western games. They cut corners and just milk the game every year. The only thing that really changed last gen was PES in the early games stagnated, didn't upgrade their tech and got left behind.
To understand just how fucked and how inferior ea are to konami at making games, PES 2015 is still essentially a PS3 tech game even on the PS4, the gameplay across the board is almost identical apart from some glossed graphic effects in the PS4 version, the ps3/pc versions where sabotaged and dubbed down to make the ps4 look better. This is 100% there is no arguing here, PES 2015 on the PC has the exact same PCspecs as the PS3 game PES2014 and the same gameplay as PES2015 PS4.
Imagine how bad it is going to get when konami break away from the PS3 version next year and truly embrace the new tech on the PS4. EA have had two stand alone attempts on the ps4, two attempts complete separate from the last gen and neither match up to pes 2015.
To compare PES 2015 needs just 2GB ram and even age old video cards run smoothly, FIFA 15 needs 8GB ram and a mid range card, its a genuine PS4 title
Angus, your correct, pes 2015 is rather basic and simple, Konami are still getting to grips with the fox engine and the animation engine, that shows how far ahead Konami are and they have always been better talented to create football games, they are only just getting started,
again, imagine PES 2015 x4!
EA do yourselves a favor, please stop cutting corners, do your homework! Focus on the simple things and create balance using stats.
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Nah no cheap way.
What theory do you have there Mr? They were my words, so unsure why you're generalizing
On a serious note, you're too defensive. Chill. I think anyone being too defensive about a game should calm down. They all have their pros and cons, and all should be mentioned like they should be without allowing blind fanboyism to interfere. It's really pointless and doesn't help any game in the slightest. Defending a game like it's of your own blood, I find that ridiculous. What's even worse is blindly shooting down it's "competitor/s" in the process. Does that make you feel better about yourself? What do you gain? You consider that mature? Because I don't.
I prefer civil conversations/debates. I like reading proper constructive critiques that actually add meaning to a discussion. It is very healthy. Yours aren't.
Hi Lami, I hope you are well.
I don't post very often at all but I was moved to do so here.
I think the problem with this thread at the moment seems to be that PES fans are piling in and criticising FIFA.
This is fine if the posts are constructive - let's be honest, there are areas in which FIFA can improve - but many of the posts are not.
For example, LonsFenomenoo's post on the previous page and klashman69's on this page, where opinion is being presented as fact.
And then you say that those who stand up to these posts are defensive and have a go for "blindly shooting down its competitor" - something the PES fans have been doing without reproach.
It seems strange to me.
klashman69
Fight the Power!
- 28 November 2007
PES 2015 on PC which has the same gameplay as PES 2015 on PS4 is PS3 last gen engine technology, therefore PES 2015 on all versions is essentially a PS3 technology game (last gen)!
FIFA 15 on the PC/PS4 is PS4 current gen technology!
That is a fact.
The rest is my opinion, but once this is understood you see how the harsh tone all fits in.
People seem to find PES 2015 to be better than FIFA yet it's still a generation behind.
There are some facts that prove one o be better than the other such as EA only last year on the PS4 where able to program more than 2 players to jump for a header, something Konami did in the PS2. This is why i'm harsh becuase certian fcts paint very sorry pictures.
FIFA 15 on the PC/PS4 is PS4 current gen technology!
That is a fact.
The rest is my opinion, but once this is understood you see how the harsh tone all fits in.
People seem to find PES 2015 to be better than FIFA yet it's still a generation behind.
There are some facts that prove one o be better than the other such as EA only last year on the PS4 where able to program more than 2 players to jump for a header, something Konami did in the PS2. This is why i'm harsh becuase certian fcts paint very sorry pictures.
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Nobleknight
Manual Player
Thanks.I'd like to read more from regarding that topic.
Oh that's my theroy I was talking about. Spot on Boyce.You better run now or they will hunt you down.Hi Lami, I hope you are well.
I don't post very often at all but I was moved to do so here.
I think the problem with this thread at the moment seems to be that PES fans are piling in and criticising FIFA.
This is fine if the posts are constructive - let's be honest, there are areas in which FIFA can improve - but many of the posts are not.
For example, LonsFenomenoo's post on the previous page and klashman69's on this page, where opinion is being presented as fact.
And then you say that those who stand up to these posts are defensive and have a go for "blindly shooting down its competitor" - something the PES fans have been doing without reproach.
It seems strange to me.
"Once this is understood" - so condescending!
This is the opinion dressed as fact.
Look, I used to love PES - I think PES6 is the best football game ever made.
I even stuck with it all the way through to PES2013 (which I thought was great).
But I hated PES2014 and PES2015 leaves me cold to be honest. I think it plays a good - not amazing - game of football on the pitch but the rest is a complete mess.
To me, FIFA is also good on the pitch but obviously plays completely differently. With the package on offer, I still feel FIFA is the better option.
klashman69
Fight the Power!
- 28 November 2007
"Once this is understood" - so condescending!
PES 2015
http://www.game-debate.com/games/index.php?g_id=9279&game=Pro Evolution Soccer 2015
FIFA 15
http://www.game-debate.com/games/index.php?g_id=9278&game=FIFA 15
This is a fact. There is the proof, what else do you want me to say man? Yeah sounds horrible but come on there's much, much worse things happening out there than pointing out EA's technical incompetence?
I'm not some wicked Wizard or some movie bad guy, i'm just stating my point.
Now your misunderstanding me and just painting me in as some sort of hater. I never said for anyone to love PES or just hate FIFA for FIFA's sake, what you like is what you like and nothing i say will change that, i giving my honest opinion. It's harsh i know but sorry i can't put pink ribbons around my opinion or serve it with a delicious cake.
I feel it's necessary to play the game and master the game on it's default settings as much as possible to get a better metaphoric understanding of it's strong parts and flaws. The better you get, the more your learn. Thing is some people here are getting the game and just sticking it on manual with sliders and refuse to acknowledge and see flaws, arguing with them is rather pointless. They made their decision, I'm giving mine.
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PES 2015
http://www.game-debate.com/games/index.php?g_id=9279&game=Pro Evolution Soccer 2015
FIFA 15
http://www.game-debate.com/games/index.php?g_id=9278&game=FIFA 15
This is a fact. There is the proof, what else do you want me to say man? Yeah sounds horrible but come on there's much, much worse things happening out there than pointing out EA's technical incompetence?
I'm not some wicked Wizard or some movie bad guy, i'm just stating my point.
Now your misunderstanding me and just painting me in as some sort of hater. I never said for anyone to love PES or just hate FIFA for FIFA's sake, what you like is what you like and nothing i say will change that, i giving my honest opinion. It's harsh i know but sorry i can't put pink ribbons around my opinion or serve it with a delicious cake.
I feel it's necessary to play the game and master the game on it's default settings as much as possible to get a better metaphoric understanding of it's strong parts and flaws. The better you get, the more your learn. Thing is some people here are getting the game and just sticking it on manual with sliders and refuse to acknowledge and see flaws, arguing with them is rather pointless. They made their decision, I'm giving mine.
I honestly don't have a problem with your opinions at all. If you prefer PES 2015 over FIFA 15, that is up to you.
Can you point out where I have painted you as a hater or said that you have told people to love PES or hate FIFA for FIFA's sake? I don't believe I have done that. I was merely giving my thoughts on the two games.
My problem was with your comments generalising those who like FIFA 15, saying that they are all deliberately turning a blind eye to issues etc.
I play FIFA with altered slider settings - am I turning a blind eye to its flaws? No, I am acknowledging them and doing something so that they are reduced and I can enjoy the game more.
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klashman69
Fight the Power!
- 28 November 2007
You where never part of the three regulars in question for my opinion. I didn't name the three regulars since they where the only guys posting here anyway.You have just come out of nowhere, no idea why you feel so offended since i wasn't talking about you in the first place.
Why did you feel so attacked by my post, when you where never part of the conversation in question, surely you should see that in my post it was not directed at you at all?
You need the previous posts of these guys, there's this 'manual elite' culture thing where all problems are solved by going on manual and turning a blind eye to every flaw, this is what my post was about.
Go into their post history to see this, i went through that phase for a bit with FIFA 09 then went out of it because it was still the same old FIFA, manual or assisted, the repetitive matches still remained.
I am not "offended" at all and I certainly don't feel "attacked". Can you point out anything I have said that would lead you to believe this?
I also know that I was not part of the original conversation but I took issue with your generalisations and commented on them. Is that not OK on a discussion forum?
And to be fair, at least one of the guys you were talking about has said he knows the default settings are not up to much. He certainly didn't seem to be turning a blind eye to any issues.
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Thanks, I've spent 20-30 hours testing PES 2015, probably a couple hundred testing FIFA 15. FIFA, as arcade as it typically plays out of the box - and it's actually not bad this year - can always be modded and edited to play a very good sim game. The coding and player ratings are very responsive. Example: via edits and ini codes, I fixed the no-foul issue to such a degree that the CPU was getting 20-25 fouls and 6-8 cards each game. Too many, I actually had to cut back on my edits. Likewise the high passing % problem can easily be fixed via sliders and other player rating edits.
I've been trying to fix some of the issues with PES using similar editing techniques. Absolutely nothing works. CPU players perform at the same level whether they're rated 40 (lowest rating) or 99. What Konami decided to do apparently is create a game that, on the surface, looks like a brilliant football simulation. But the fact is there's nothing under the hood so to speak. Regardless of player passing ratings or difficulty level, the CPU ping pongs the ball back and forth with 85-90% accuracy. It's as if the game is programmed to have the CPU auto-pass the ball around, to give the impression of "real football." It's very much like a game that's been created for the sole purpose of watching and admiring, rather than actually playing. User vs CPU is anyway, User vs User is no doubt a blast to play.
This isn't unexpected as Konami has been dumbing down and removing critical player ratings over the past 4 years. I believe they took these coding shortcuts - removing rather than fixing - because they were in a mad rush to create a game to compete with FIFA. Shooting was one the first aspects that was dumbed down, they removed critical shot ratings the past couple of years. And now shooting in PES, which used to be one of its brilliant aspects, has been simplified to the point where people are complaining that scoring goals feels too easy, that goals don't feel earned anymore.
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I'm not turning a blind eye to anything. I play on Manual because I prefer it. I'm not being elitist about it either. I agree with what Boyce just said but most of all I'm not a complete sad bastard who will nit pick every single thing about a game. I turn it on, enjoy a few games now and then and I'm happy with that. The default game annoys me so I don't play it that way so I'd say that's far from ignoring the issues with it. I've accepted them and play a different way. I didn't agree with it being called a kiddies game as if it was, I wouldn't play it. Online manual games are great imo.
Enjoyed a few games of the PES demo and glad it's getting a lot better but some of posts from people coming back in here are quite pathetic.