FIFA 14 OT, Next Gen, PC Love, Fanboys, Star Wars, Hand Sanitizers

[mfmaxpower]

Re: FIFA 14

Because it's EA

I hope they're honest about everything they've said.

Sure, I guess that's one approach to take.

Personally, I think EA's implementation of core features has been pretty solid over the last half decade or so. Sure, they haven't always got it right with the first iteration (Impact Engine), but with the exception of Pro Passing, EA has been pretty consistent in moving gameplay forward with quality additions. Sometimes new features don't change the game quite as dramatically as many of us would like, but overall I think most of what they've implemented have been improvements.

My gripes with EA have had less to do with implementation and more to do with intention. Right now, looking at what we know of the Ignite engine, it looks to me that EA's intentions are well-placed.

Player movement physics and AI are FIFA's greatest areas of need, and that's what they've focused on. Maybe the implementation will fail to deliver but right now I'm just celebrating their intentions.

 

[jonneymendoza]

Re: FIFA 14

The risk for the companies to put out a quality PC product relies in the piracy. Whether it's a program of any kind, or a game. If the word "download" didn't even exist, metaphorically speaking, I'm sure PC would still be a powerful market for them to compete. The only people who actually buy PC versions of the games are those who don't own a console BUT seek for the online adventure.

We all know the world spins around money. Any of you were actually gullible enough to think they invest all their time, knowledge and money just for the love of art, and to give us all a more enjoyable stay in this world? I certainly hope none of you was dumb enough to believe that.

Just be thankful that they gave you a next gen FIFA for PC at last. They don't care whether you bought the game or not, because the truth is... the majority didn't buy it. So you can actually consider that FIFA11»13 were a special gift to all PC gamers.

what a load of bollox your post is. sorry to say that but that is pure BS.

Fifa on pc has sold a nice volume. loads of people play fifa online and you need a legit copy to do so as well.

It is also difficult to pirate and play properly due to the fact that it has a severe DRM that forces you to use Origin.

Piracy is a lame excuse that people bang on about. PC gaming is flourishing day by day. Just look at the amount of console fans here who turned PC and how succesfull pc has become across the board.

EA are downright retards for slapping the face of PC users yet again especially after there piss poor game Sim city(which sold over a million copies btw a PC ONLY game)

 

[mfmaxpower]

Re: FIFA 14

what a load of bollox your post is. sorry to say that but that is pure BS.

Fifa on pc has sold a nice volume. loads of people play fifa online and you need a legit copy to do so as well.

It is also difficult to pirate and play properly due to the fact that it has a severe DRM that forces you to use Origin.

Piracy is a lame excuse that people bang on about. PC gaming is flourishing day by day. Just look at the amount of console fans here who turned PC and how succesfull pc has become across the board.

EA are downright retards for slapping the face of PC users yet again especially after there piss poor game Sim city(which sold over a million copies btw a PC ONLY game)

Piracy or not, FIFA's PC sales are a tiny drop in the bucket compared to its console sales. Prioritizing the console versions makes perfect sense for them, otherwise they wouldn't be doing it. It's simply a numbers game - look at the Wii U, which won't be getting FIFA 14 at all, as evidence.

PC gaming flourishing? Is it really? I remember back in the 90s when loads of top games came out for the PC only, with no console version at all. Seems to me it's the reverse today, though I haven't done the research so I don't know the numbers. I guess it depends on what you mean by "flourishing," but I'm pretty sure based on sales the console market is considered today's primary gaming market.

Yeah, it sucks if you're a PC-only gamer, but I'm not sure why people would expect anything different from a game that is designed with the console market as its primary target. Just be thankful you're not a Nintendo-only gamer.

 

[Jamezinho]

No, you haven't done the research.

 

[mfmaxpower]

Re: FIFA 14

No, you haven't done the research.

No? So then you have done the research? Please enlighten us.

In any case, it doesn't really matter since we're talking about FIFA here, and while FIFA 13 on consoles sold more than 14 million, it sold less than 500,000 on PC.

Everything you need to know is in those numbers.

 

[mfmaxpower]

Re: FIFA 14

No, you haven't done the research.

Well, since you challenged me, here's one of dozens of articles easily found online discussing how PC gaming fell behind console gaming. You'll note that this article suggests a possible PC gaming comeback which implies it fell behind, obviously.

http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2012/07/05/could-pc-gaming-make-a-comeback/

Some highlights:

The moribund PC market could use a jolt. A lull in the life-cycle of the Playstation, Xbox and Wii may do just that.

While the top-selling games are now dominated by multi platform titles available for the consoles and PC, the shift has been increasingly away from the PC completely.

A decade ago the PC was the system of choice for many video gamers who wanted the best graphics, the most cutting-edge gaming experience and the ability to play with friends online. Before the arrival of the Xbox from Microsoft (MSFT) and the PlayStation from Sony (SNE), the PC was the dominant system for multiplayer action-based games.
Times changed. And as traditional gaming companies expanded their reach with new products from Nintendo's (NTDOY) family friendly Wii to Microsoft's Kinect motion controller, the PC was relegated to a niche mainly for the hardcore.

This article was from last year, and its premise relies on the fact that console sales were declining as a result of it being the end of a hardware cycle.

Has the industry switched back to PC dominance in just the last year? Unlikely. Will console sales continue to decline with the new gen coming this year? We'll see.

PC gaming might be far from dead, and it might even be flourishing in some areas, like MMOs, free-to-play games, and strategy games, but among hardcore titles it's pretty clear with a little research that the console market has become the primary market.

 

[Jamezinho]

Look into the growth of Steam, a platform that EA doesn't want a part of because of its competitive pricing. Then perhaps you'll understand why pc sales of FIFA aren't what they should be.

The dominance of consoles is not in question. But it should be acknowledged that pc gaming is in a healthy place and there is plenty of money to be made there with a high profile sports game. The problem for EA is they can't charge 40 quid for an annual sports game on the pc. In the main, pc gamers won't pay that price.

 

[jonneymendoza]

Re: FIFA 14

Look into the growth of Steam, a platform that EA doesn't want a part of because of its competitive pricing. Then perhaps you'll understand why pc sales of FIFA aren't what they should be.

The dominance of consoles is not in question. But it should be acknowledged that pc gaming is in a healthy place and there is plenty of money to be made there with a high profile sports game. The problem for EA is they can't charge 40 quid for an annual sports game on the pc. In the main, pc gamers won't pay that price.

Thats what it boils down to.

PC gamers are generaly more aggressive and choosy when it comes to PC games as pc gamers tend to have high expectations for great games that have depth, enjoyment and longetivity.

Not many pc gamers will buy a game like fifa that offers just a lick of paint every year. i do because i am a sucker for footy games as i am a massive footy fan but i am in the minority.

I guarantee you that if the new fifa 14 engine was on the pc version as well, it will sell millions because not only hardcore footy fans will flock and buy it, but also the people who dont mind playing a decent game of footy. Knowing that fifa 14 is NOT ajust a lick of paint, it will encourage the average pc gamer to purchase it.

What an amazing opprtunity Konami have of dominating the footy games of the next gen. People will flock to PES PC if its decent and EA will be fucked and lose all PC footy fans

 

[mfmaxpower]

Re: FIFA 14

I'm not sure I follow the logic behind what you guys are saying.

Look into the growth of Steam, a platform that EA doesn't want a part of because of its competitive pricing. Then perhaps you'll understand why pc sales of FIFA aren't what they should be.

So is your point that EA should use Steam rather than Origin, its own digital distribution network? Do you really think that's going to happen unless/until Origin fails?

The dominance of consoles is not in question. But it should be acknowledged that pc gaming is in a healthy place and there is plenty of money to be made there with a high profile sports game. The problem for EA is they can't charge 40 quid for an annual sports game on the pc. In the main, pc gamers won't pay that price.

PC gaming might be in a healthy place but obviously the sales for FIFA's PC version hasn't been making "plenty" enough money or else we wouldn't be having this conversation.

So basically you're line of thinking comes down to the argument that PC gamers are stingier than console gamers? That they won't pay the same price for a game as their console counterparts? I'm curious to know where you came up with that fact.

In any case, if PC gamers aren't willing to pay EA's price, it kinda reinforces the whole idea of why it makes little sense for EA to bother with the PC market.

Thats what it boils down to.

PC gamers are generaly more aggressive and choosy when it comes to PC games as pc gamers tend to have high expectations for great games that have depth, enjoyment and longetivity.

Not many pc gamers will buy a game like fifa that offers just a lick of paint every year. i do because i am a sucker for footy games as i am a massive footy fan but i am in the minority.

I guarantee you that if the new fifa 14 engine was on the pc version as well, it will sell millions because not only hardcore footy fans will flock and buy it, but also the people who dont mind playing a decent game of footy. Knowing that fifa 14 is NOT ajust a lick of paint, it will encourage the average pc gamer to purchase it.

What an amazing opprtunity Konami have of dominating the footy games of the next gen. People will flock to PES PC if its decent and EA will be fucked and lose all PC footy fans

So, basically with your first two paragraphs you say that PC gamers are not a good fit for FIFA - "not many pc gamers will buy a game like fifa" - and yet you wonder why EA aren't emphasizing the PC market?

And yeah, EA will truly be fucked by losing less than 4 percent of its sales. Sure, that makes sense. And that's if they sell zero copies of FIFA 14 for PC. FIFA is outselling PES by more than 10 to 1, and yet losing PC footy fans is going to allow Konami to dominate next gen? Tell me how that makes any sense.

 

[Jamezinho]

I'm not completely disagreeing with you, max. As I said in a previous post it's pure economics from EA. They've made a decision that there isn't enough money in pc sales of FIFA to take their new engine there. The irony is that this new engine will have been built and running on pcs already.

Of course, my statement that pc gamers aren't willing to spend console prices for games isn't a fact as such, more an impression I get from the pc community across various forums. The reality is pc games *are* cheaper and have been for a while. This is mainly due to lower costs from not having to deal with Microsoft and Sony, but there is nothing stopping pc games being priced the same as console equivalents rather than being 10-20 pounds cheaper.

As for Steam: it is the dominant digital distribution platform on pc. Not just that, it's the XBL/PSN equivalent where gamers can interact and socialise. By comparison Origin is far behind and has a poor reputation as a service, especially when it comes to pricing.

FIFA on Steam would be very beneficial for EA. PES is on Steam now so I'm going to be following how it fares with interest.

 

[mfmaxpower]

Re: FIFA 14

I'm not completely disagreeing with you, max. As I said in a previous post it's pure economics from EA. They've made a decision that there isn't enough money in pc sales of FIFA to take their new engine there. The irony is that this new engine will have been built and running on pcs already.

Of course, my statement that pc gamers aren't willing to spend console prices for games isn't a fact as such, more an impression I get from the pc community across various forums. The reality is pc games *are* cheaper and have been for a while. This is mainly due to lower costs from not having to deal with Microsoft and Sony, but there is nothing stopping pc games being priced the same as console equivalents rather than being 10-20 pounds cheaper.

As for Steam: it is the dominant digital distribution platform on pc. Not just that, it's the XBL/PSN equivalent where gamers can interact and socialise. By comparison Origin is far behind and has a poor reputation as a service, especially when it comes to pricing.

FIFA on Steam would be very beneficial for EA. PES is on Steam now so I'm going to be following how it fares with interest.

Yeah, I think the real kick in the nuts for PC gamers is that the new engine you'd think would've been built on pcs, so I'd be curious to know why then it was considered too big a deal to bring it to PCs for 14. I guess there must be some sort of complications that we don't know about?

Regarding FIFA not being on Steam, well that's just EA for ya. I imagine Origin didn't help EA when it was voted worst company in America.

 

[Jamezinho]

Thing is, if EA really want to push Origin then a next-gen FIFA could be just the title to do it. What about Madden? Not available on the pc at all. Two big hitters there that would generate so much interest in Origin.

 

[BobbyBox]

Re: FIFA 14

How much would you have to spend on a Pc that played Fifa the way it would be played on the new Ps and Xbox? I mean going to a shop and buying the pc and not building one (because that is what you have to take into consideration as well).

Then you have to look at how many gamers that have higher end PCs play sports games?

I really don't know the answers? But I bet in their decision making they predict how many pc owners can actually run the game properly (as intended) with their pcs. Pc owners are huge, but the majority of pc owners that have high end pcs are fewer and the ones that actually have higher end pcs that have a big inclination to play Fifa is fewer still, then you have the greater piracy aspect (a lot of people will get it for offline) etc etc you also have the fact that pc games are sold cheaper on the whole.

The numbers just don't add up, so I don't think you can get that angry with them really. It makes sense to wait a year or so when the average pc owner has a pc with the spec to run the game properly. Then it makes it worth while for them.

Also the thing where people say that the game is made on a pc, so it's silly not to have it on the pc? Aren't all games made with pcs? Coding, graphics etc

 

[Taddis]

Re: FIFA 14

You dont need expensive pc to run sports games including fifa. My 2 years old laptop runs fifa 13 fine on high details and 4x msaa, so would 4-5 years old desktop.

 

[jonneymendoza]

You dont need expensive pc to run sports games including fifa. My 2 years old laptop runs fifa 13 fine on high details and 4x msaa, so would 4-5 years old desktop.

The new Microsoft surface pro tablet plays FIFA fine as well.

Sports games in general are not taxing like a traditional fps game

 

[YoungGun_UK]

Re: FIFA 14

Thing is, if EA really want to push Origin then a next-gen FIFA could be just the title to do it. What about Madden? Not available on the pc at all. Two big hitters there that would generate so much interest in Origin.

I think this is the best answer so far, if EA were serious about trying there hand at the PC market they could have some big hitters on Origin (no matter how a shit reputation it has) that would tempt/force people to trying it.

 

[Thespeedster84]

Re: FIFA 14

It is just to maximize profit and minimize loss for them and their partners.

 

[jonneymendoza]

I think this is the best answer so far, if EA were serious about trying there hand at the PC market they could have some big hitters on Origin (no matter how a shit reputation it has) that would tempt/force people to trying it.

They already done it with battlefield 3 which sold millions in the pc

 

[BobbyBox]

Re: FIFA 14

Would a 4-5 year old desktop and over two year old laptop be able to play the next gen Fifa at the same level as the new Xbox and Ps? That should be the question I think (maybe they can I don't know)

 

[Gab_]

Re: FIFA 14

Would a 4-5 year old desktop and over two year old laptop be able to play the next gen Fifa at the same level as the new Xbox and Ps? That should be the question I think (maybe they can I don't know)

They sure would if you upgrade them for the same amount of money that a next gen console costs.

 

[mfmaxpower]

Re: FIFA 14

Thing is, if EA really want to push Origin then a next-gen FIFA could be just the title to do it. What about Madden? Not available on the pc at all. Two big hitters there that would generate so much interest in Origin.

Well the obvious counter-argument is that EA must not agree with your assessment that FIFA or Madden would sell well enough to make it worth it for them. You think they'd generate plenty of interest; they obviously disagree.

FIFA is the only sports title that EA still has for PC, and until FIFA 12 the PC version lagged behind the console versions. EA gave up releasing Madden and NBA Live for PC in 2007, and NHL in 2008.

If selling sports titles to the PC market made financial sense to them, I'm sure they'd be doing it. Obviously from their recent record, EA doesn't think it's worth much effort, and when you look at FIFA 13's PC sales compared to console sales, it's hard to find fault in their logic.

 

[Chuny]

Re: FIFA 14

what a load of bollox your post is. sorry to say that but that is pure BS.

Fifa on pc has sold a nice volume. loads of people play fifa online and you need a legit copy to do so as well.

It is also difficult to pirate and play properly due to the fact that it has a severe DRM that forces you to use Origin.

Piracy is a lame excuse that people bang on about. PC gaming is flourishing day by day. Just look at the amount of console fans here who turned PC and how succesfull pc has become across the board.

EA are downright retards for slapping the face of PC users yet again especially after there piss poor game Sim city(which sold over a million copies btw a PC ONLY game)

Nevertheless it's my opinion, and unless you have solid facts or official numbers, then what you wrote is just as much BS as what I wrote.

The fact that a lot of people play FIFA online on PC doesn't mean that comparing those numbers to those of the people that use a console to play FIFA online aren't ridiculously smaller (clearly in favour of the consoles side).

If you do have any way to proove what you're talking about and to proove that what I said BS, please enlighten me, I'll be thrilled to be proven wrong.

 

[jonneymendoza]

Re: FIFA 14

Nevertheless it's my opinion, and unless you have solid facts or official numbers, then what you wrote is just as much BS as what I wrote.

The fact that a lot of people play FIFA online on PC doesn't mean that comparing those numbers to those of the people that use a console to play FIFA online aren't ridiculously smaller (clearly in favour of the consoles side).

If you do have any way to proove what you're talking about and to proove that what I said BS, please enlighten me, I'll be thrilled to be proven wrong.

Your the one quoting shit out of your hole so why dont you go show us how crap PC gaming is doing as a whole.

 

[klashman69]

Re: FIFA 14

Hi,

You know, the problem i think now is with video games.

The big business and commercial side of it is just far, far too big.

the simulations and their quality just aren't matching the amount of energy and funds going into them!

It's SO much about money, the people running these giant businesses, it's more about them keeping with their salary demands and deadlines to make profit margins than actually just producing a really good game.

People in heir 20's to early 30's will really see this, especially those who have ventured or work in a corporate environment.

With how hard it is financially in the world, massive recessions in the west especially America and the UK, we are seeing people, worried about money and money only, many different people who look to be a business success have found themselves managing gaming companies and looking solely at making enough money to fund their lifestyle can caring nothing about the industry and its people.

Just like football, there is no entity for the people, by the people. There are no 'video games, for the the people, made by the people. they are made by profit driven corporations why are more about CEO's making a profit each year being the biggest objective.

Games will never meet our lofty expectations anymore, it's too much corporate business. It's all hype and compaies throwing money about high contrast colourful visuals and graphics, it's about you spending that $65.00 so they can make that profit, it's about clever ideas and fancy shiny things which trick you into buying into the game rather than providing a good solid, consistent bug free game.

 

[klashman69]

Re: FIFA 14

Look into the growth of Steam, a platform that EA doesn't want a part of because of its competitive pricing. Then perhaps you'll understand why pc sales of FIFA aren't what they should be.

The dominance of consoles is not in question. But it should be acknowledged that pc gaming is in a healthy place and there is plenty of money to be made there with a high profile sports game. The problem for EA is they can't charge 40 quid for an annual sports game on the pc. In the main, pc gamers won't pay that price.

They wan to save money on operating costs, why bother to pay say 500,000? 1,000,000 on regulating PC services for their games, when they can't draw in as big of a market on the consoles.

The opinions from psychologists, financial advisers and accountants mater far more.

So many people want to be accountants, there are many fine accountants out there, you can bet being one at EA pays BIG!!!!

 

[mfmaxpower]

Re: FIFA 14

Hi,

You know, the problem i think now is with video games.

The big business and commercial side of it is just far, far too big.

the simulations and their quality just aren't matching the amount of energy and funds going into them!

It's SO much about money, the people running these giant businesses, it's more about them keeping with their salary demands and deadlines to make profit margins than actually just producing a really good game.

People in heir 20's to early 30's will really see this, especially those who have ventured or work in a corporate environment.

With how hard it is financially in the world, massive recessions in the west especially America and the UK, we are seeing people, worried about money and money only, many different people who look to be a business success have found themselves managing gaming companies and looking solely at making enough money to fund their lifestyle can caring nothing about the industry and its people.

Just like football, there is no entity for the people, by the people. There are no 'video games, for the the people, made by the people. they are made by profit driven corporations why are more about CEO's making a profit each year being the biggest objective.

Games will never meet our lofty expectations anymore, it's too much corporate business. It's all hype and compaies throwing money about high contrast colourful visuals and graphics, it's about you spending that $65.00 so they can make that profit, it's about clever ideas and fancy shiny things which trick you into buying into the game rather than providing a good solid, consistent bug free game.

Well that's a rather depressing account of things. And it might be accurate except that some the games with the biggest money behind them are also REALLY good.

Oh, and the video game industry has always been profit driven. The money is bigger now but so are the games.

Maybe games aren't meeting your lofty expectations, and yeah there's a lot of hype, and too much emphasis on advertising, but even though we're at the end of a console cycle I've still played quite a number of extremely satisfying games over the last year, and I fully expect games to be even better next gen, including FIFA.

 

[klashman69]

Re: FIFA 14

Well that's a rather depressing account of things. And it might be accurate except that some the games with the biggest money behind them are also REALLY good.

Oh, and the video game industry has always been profit driven. The money is bigger now but so are the games.

Maybe games aren't meeting your lofty expectations, and yeah there's a lot of hype, and too much emphasis on advertising, but even though we're at the end of a console cycle I've still played quite a number of extremely satisfying games over the last year, and I fully expect games to be even better next gen, including FIFA.

Its about community for me. Who gives a fuck what the budget is or how much hype surrounds the game, if it's good and if it has a solid base, if its bug free and consistent, that is a job well done.

video games are already far too big, they should be as important as they are now. Technology in general is taking over peoples lives too much, people and kids worryingly are starting to become less and less natural and more wound tight by political correctness and fitting into expected social norms.

Back in the 90's and late 80's there where so many different titles of games all over the world, by so many different developers, many who just wanted to make good games for them to enjoy and made a good amount of money from it, something you did with your friend, you shared it with a community, it wasn't about making a million and buying a fancy car or some swanky house for your trophy wife, these people enjoyed games and the people within their culture.

That is gone, that is dead, just like real football, that culture isn't coming back, everything is heavily commercial and centralized now.

It didn't matter what games you liked, video games where a niche thing back then anyway, these days most games have bigger budgets than movies! companies just blast money at, tech, swanky shiny tech, graphics, flashy content and downloadable upgrades which cost money. Prince of Persia never had a engrossing movie based storyline like you see with modern games, it was just a fun game with good gameplay. Most games are extremely easy with dummy friendly controls in which the storymode can be completed with ease (remember 'continue?' anyone?) and with online being mind-numbing repetitive, but competitive!

This isn't me disappointed at all, because its just a game, this is a observation i have seen over the last 7-8 years especially since the 360 was released. Its to be expected when games are aimed at absolutely everyone, you use employees to drum up hype and shill sophisticatedly on forums to deter people away from gameplay flaws, even when after a month most people who brought a title where now busy buying another new shiny hyped up title. The company don't care, they have their cash anyway!

I think this is something worth talking about further, its the same with anything commercial and mass market, always the same issues of it being worth too much money with profit for greedy people at the top being more important than genuine quality.

 

[The Doctor76]

Re: FIFA 14

The risk for the companies to put out a quality PC product relies in the piracy. Whether it's a program of any kind, or a game. If the word "download" didn't even exist, metaphorically speaking, I'm sure PC would still be a powerful market for them to compete.

Rubbish. Complete and utter garbage.

Mass Effect series, Bioshock series, F1 20XX series, Call of Duty series, GTA series (albeit after six months) as well as many others: all AAA games and all released on PC; all with the same features as consoles (besides generally superior graphics on the PC versions). If piracy was such a huge issue, why isn't the PC market completely dead as opposed to thriving via digital distribution?

It's got absolutely nothing to do with piracy whatsoever.

 

[jonneymendoza]

Rubbish. Complete and utter garbage.

Mass Effect series, Bioshock series, F1 20XX series, Call of Duty series, GTA series (albeit after six months) as well as many others: all AAA games and all released on PC; all with the same features as consoles (besides generally superior graphics on the PC versions). If piracy was such a huge issue, why isn't the PC market completely dead as opposed to thriving via digital distribution?

It's got absolutely nothing to do with piracy whatsoever.

Well said. Don't forget fallout series as well and mmo in general

 

[The Doctor76]

Re: FIFA 14

Well said. Don't forget fallout series as well and mmo in general

Yep, and the Total War series (which is a PC exclusive and I bloody well hope it stays that way. The second it's made on consoles as well, I'll quit buying it).